Key 26/11 conspirator Abu Hamza arrested at Delhi Airport

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India has failed miserably to capitalise 26/11 incident.

feel ashamed today:tsk::sad::sad::sad:


india should not drag this matter now .she should act strongly now or feel more shame:sad::sad:
 

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Don't blame us, Abu Hamza is Indian, says Pakistan


Islamabad/New Delhi: Pakistan has dismissed India's claim that the arrest of 26/11 handler Abu Hamza, and the information he has provided to interrogators, proves that Pakistani state actors were involved with the attacks on Mumbai in 2008.

"Hazma is Indian. India is failing to control its citizens," said Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik. "I told (Home Minister) Chidambaram that Hindu extremism is growing in India," he added.

This morning, India's Home Minister P Chidambaram said, "He has confirmed that he was in the control room and he has named a few people who were in the control room...that confirms our suspicion that this was an organized effort which had some kind of state support. The argument that it was non-state actors who were behind the massacre is no longer valid." (Read)

Mr Malik reacted sharply, stating, "Each time India has accused the ISI of involvement in a terror attack, it has been proved wrong." (Abu Hamza's arrest: Top 10 developments)

Hamza was deported from Saudi Arabia to Delhi and is now being interrogated by intelligence officers and the Delhi Police. He has said that as the attacks on Mumbai began, he was in a control room near the international airport in Karachi. Supervising the operation there, he has said, were ISI officers and Lashkar commanders including Zaki-ur Rehman Lakhvi.

After Ajmal Kasab became the only terrorist to be captured alive during 26/11, he has said, all handlers including him were asked to leave Pakistan He allegedly travelled to Saudi Arabia on a Pakistani passport with a fake name. US intelligence officials and India were alerted to him after he allegedly made a call to Pakistan, that was tracked down by the US.

"We identified him almost a year ago...it was a well-guarded secret...we tracked him. I think the world appreciates how India is going about tracking every one of the 26/11 masterminds," Mr Chidambaram said.

In discussions with India about its own investigation and trial for those connected to 26/11, Pakistan had told India that Abu Hamza had been arrested. When asked how Hamza had then managed to leave the country, Mr Mallik said this was not the same man listed in a dossier shared between the two countries.

Don't blame us, Abu Hamza is Indian, says Pakistan | NDTV.com


Tight slap on indian govt face

AJTR u won this time we lost:tsk:

even beggar nation like urs showing eyes to us
now :sad:
Truth vindicated.......

India has failed miserably to capitalise 26/11 incident.

feel ashamed today:tsk::sad:


india should not drag this matter now .she should act strongly now or feel more shame:sad:
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 

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One has to wait.

He who laughs last, laughs the longest.

Pakistan has no friends now. Not even China or Saudi Arabia!

Wait till this Abu man sings!

That is why Pakistan is defecating in their pants!
 

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One has to wait.

He who laughs last, laughs the longest.

Pakistan has no friends now. Not even China or Saudi Arabia!

Wait till this Abu man sings!

That is why Pakistan is defecating in their pants!
He started singing already. :D

"His (Jundal's) confession proves that there was support of state actors for 26/11 massacre," Chidambaram told reporters.
26/11 attacks had full Pak support: Chidambaram


I am having feeling that this Abu Hamza/Jundal's issue affected Sarabjeet singh's release order. Somehow this is connected. :notsure:
 

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The Abu Hamza trail: How US thwarted Pakistan's attempts to get him deported

New Delhi: More twists and turns in the Abu Jundal chase story as new details emerge. NDTV has now learnt that after Lashkar operative Jundal aka Abu Hamza - whose real name is Zabiuddin Ansari and who has 10 aliases - was picked up in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan tried to get him deported to Islamabad. But the US stepped in and prevented that from happening.

Jundal was allegedly sent to Saudi Arabia by the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) to scout for new recruits. About eight or nine months ago, he made a phone call from there to Pakistan, which was intercepted by the US. Around the same time India's intelligence agency, the Research and Analysis Wing picked up his movements and began to track Jundal.

It was reportedly on pressure from the US that the Saudi authorities arrested Abu Jundal last year in connection with a forgery case. The moment that happened, sources say, Islamabad allegedly muscled in and demanded that he be deported immediately to Pakistan. Jundal was in Saudi Arabia on a Pakistani passport and Islamabad reportedly claimed that Jundal was a wanted criminal in that country. Sources say that Pakistan was worried that once India had access to the handler, it would be able to irrefutably establish how Pakistani "state actors" - possibly from the ISI and the country's army - were linked to 26/11.

Jundal has allegedly given interrogators details about his role as a Lashkar-e-Taiba handler during the 26/11, 2008 attacks in Mumbai describing the control room in Karachi and that he served as one of six handlers who instructed the ten terrorists in Mumbai on how to execute the attacks at different landmarks. The location of that control room is in an elite area of Karachi inhabited by Defence personnel, and Jundal has allegedly said that officers from Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence or ISI were also in this control room.

The US, sources say, stepped in and prevented Jundal's deportation to Pakistan. India had meanwhile engaged with the Saudis and was trying to convince them to deport Jundal. All available evidence was furnished, but his fingerprints were not available. After much persuasion, India finally convinced the Saudi government to use DNA samples that investigators had obtained from Jundal's family in Beed, Maharashtra.

In May, an Interpol Red Corner notice was issued in preparation of Jundal's deportation. He was finally brought into India on the intervening night of June 19 and 20.

Jundal or Hamza has allegedly confessed that the attack unleashed upon Mumbai in 2008 was originally planned to be executed two years before that. However, the attacks could not take place in 2006 after a huge cache of arms and ammunition to be used in the attacks was discovered in Aurangabad. It was then that his name, Ansari, first emerged as a potential terror suspect. Hamza then escaped to Bangladesh, reportedly without any papers, and later went to Pakistan. (Read: 26/11 was planned originally for 2006)

Hamza, 31, is from the Beed district in Maharashtra, and studied at the Indian Technical Institute. He worked for a while as an insurance agent. Then the communal riots in Gujarat in 2002 turned him into a jihadi. He was originally a member of the Indian Mujahideen (IM), an Indian terror group, and was close to its founder, Riyaz Bhatkal. He was recruited by the terror group Students Islamic Movement of India or SIMI. A few years later, he was in Poonch in Jammu and Kashmir when he entered the ranks of the LeT. (Read Abu Hamza's journey)


The Abu Hamza trail: How US thwarted Pakistan's attempts to get him deported | NDTV.com
 

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THE prize catch of Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, suspected to be a key player in orchestrating the 26/11 Mumbai terror attack, is the result of a covert seven-year Indian effort to appease Saudi Arabia, including an exclusive arrangement to allow Riyadh to set up a "listening post" here comprising agents from its internal intelligence agency.

In return, Saudi Arabia agreed to cooperate and send back Indian fugitives, but made it clear that it would not apprehend Pakistani nationals wanted in Indian terror cases.:taunt: In fact, one of the pre-conditions for Saudi Arabia to be able to deport any terror suspect to India was that the suspect's Indian nationality must be proven first.

As a result, Indian agencies keep a close watch on Indian terror suspects moving in and out of Saudi Arabia and activate channels whenever a suspect shows up on their radar. It is learnt that lists are regularly shared with Saudi intelligence to ensure better results. The intelligence cooperation has provided India a credible channel to prompt Saudi officials to act on any tip-off, sources said.

Despite such a system being in place, there are regular setbacks. While India could nab Ansari this time, officials rue the fact that about a year ago two known terrorists managed to flee back to Pakistan because Saudi Arabian authorities stonewalled Indian requests to seize them. At that time, sources said, Pakistani intelligence managed to leverage its considerable influence in the Saudi intelligence setup to beat the Indians. :cool2:

A senior official familiar with the Saudi files said the success rate is about "one in every four", although present results are "encouraging".

The bilateral arrangement also allowed the Intelligence Bureau to station its officials in Riyadh but that has not materialised in reality so far due to inter-agency turf battles and also visa issues with Saudi Arabia. This has meant that India is represented only by the RAW in Riyadh to play the "cat-and-mouse game" with other agencies operating in Saudi Arabia, including a formidable Pakistani set-up.

On this occasion, Indian authorities managed to carry the day after Ansari's identification had been confirmed. One of the reasons for this was the recent progress made on the bilateral front, especially on meeting Saudi requests on counter-terrorism cooperation after the 2009 assassination attempt on Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, the then Deputy Interior Minister.

With al Qaeda targeting the royal family, the Saudi intelligence stepped up their surveillance and presence in other countries. This added urgency to the conversation started in 2005 by the then National Security Advisor M.K. Narayanan with his Saudi counterpart, Prince Bandar bin Sultan bin Abdul Aziz Al-Saud.

From 2009, the number of quiet visits within the intelligence community of both countries increased resulting in a more solid bilateral cooperation framework which allowed Saudi intelligence to monitor activities of Islamist militant groups active in India.

Among the other influencing factors has been the United States, which has leaned on Saudi Arabia to be more responsive to India given the larger security situation in the Middle-East and the "growing threat" from Iran. Official sources, however, cautioned that none of these factors have dramatically changed the Saudi approach to Pakistan in the context of Indian interests. "At best, there is a more calibrated version of a so-called equidistant policy," said an official.
Ansari arrest outcome of 7-year India-Saudi intel embrace - Indian Express
 

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I feel for my sister ajtr here, sensing her frustration of having to dig through and highlight certain lines to keep that 'feel-good' factor flowing, at a time when one of her ideological brethren is probably cowering down in some small corner whimpering under the pressure of Indian sleuths. Ofcourse, as expected he seems to have lost his nerves quite early, judging by the way he has already begun singing like a parrot! ajtr's 'valiant Mujahids' that they are. ;)
 

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India, US and Saudi Arabia: The 'new' great game!
India, US and Saudi Arabia: The 'new' great game! - Rediff.com India News

Does the deportation of 26/11 prime accused Abu Jundal/Abu Hamza/Zabiuddin Ansari by Saudi Arabia signal a tectonic shift in India's [ Images ] Middle-East policy? Colonel (retd) Anil Athale tries to explain.

Impact on terrorism

The arrest of Abu Jundal/Abu Hamza/Zabiuddin Ansari, a 26/11 participant of Indian origin; from Saudi Arabia on July 21 and arrest of another suspect (Fasih Mohammed) earlier is a major event in war against terrorism in India. The wide publicity this has received will have a salutary impact on would be terrorists in India. Bangladesh had cracked down on terrorists and other Gulf countries were already shut to them. With Saudi Arabia joining in, Pakistan and Sri Lanka [ Images ] (to some extent) remain the only havens for anti-India activities. The problems of Indian intelligence agencies are thus reduced considerably.

But to expect this to have any effect on Pakistan is living in fool's paradise. No amount of evidence given by India is going to force Pakistan to crack down on the Lashkar-e-Tayiba [ Images ], since it is part and parcel of the Pakistan Army [ Images ]/Inter Services Intelligence combine. Indians are yet to learn that what we face is a 'proxy war' by Pakistan.

Wars are NOT fought on evidence and in court rooms but for national political objectives and Pakistan remains firmly wedded to their aim of breakup of India. There is a Marathi proverb, 'you can wake up a person who is sleeping but not one who is pretending to be asleep'. No amount of evidence is going to convince Pakistan that is in denial mode.

Even at the domestic level the arrest, sadly, will have negligible impact. Already the media has begun the exercise to explain if not justify Ansari turning to terrorism. The perennial 'Gujarat riots' of 2002 is being invoked. Soon busybodies and NGOs flush with funds from Middle-East will begin a campaign to sow doubts about Ansari's identity, the evidence and his confession. But it must be accepted that many more will be reluctant to take up the cause of terrorists now that Saudi Arabia -- the keeper of Mecca and Holy Land for Muslims, has turned against Indian terrorists.

This could have been a golden opportunity to mount an ideological campaign against domestic roots of terrorism, but considerations of 'vote bank' politics make it very unlikely. 'Terrorist mastermind', 'dreaded terrorist' are creations of sensationalising media. Terrorism [ Images ] is a product of twisted ideology, vast pool of unemployed poor and constant motivation by 'secularists' to fan grievances, real or imaginary. The ruling combine needs to keep stoking the fear factor in minorities and then pose as a saviour to reap a harvest of votes at election time (which is most of the time in India).

The principal opposition on the other hand has failed to have an inclusive vision of culture and civilization and has hardly done anything to ally the real or imaginary fears. With this scenario, sadly, India is likely to remain a playground of terrorists for a long time to come.

It is generally expected that intellectuals of the country to play a major role in such conflict to dispassionately diagnose the problem and provide solution. In case of India however, a large swathes of population including the thinkers suffer from a historical 'Stockholm Syndrome'. For the uninitiated, this is a state in which an individual or society begins to have an emotional attraction for its tormentors.

After their release in the infamous IC 814 Kandahar hijacking incident, many captives 'praised' the politeness of the hijackers! In our own morbid way we have turned Mahatma Gandhi's [ Images ] strategy of non-violent agitation against the British into a principal of national policy. We as nation conveniently forget that the non-violence tactic worked against the British -- a civilised and humane nation. The same Gandhi did not oppose use of military force in Kashmir [ Images ] in October 1947. The non-violent methods failed against obdurate Portuguese in Goa [ Images ] and Jawaharlal Nehru [ Images ] (Gandhi's disciple) used military force to liberate it. Six million non-violent Jews were sent to the gas chambers by Adolf Hitler [ Images ]. Non-violence will not work against Hitlers, Chengis Khans and Pakistanis of this world.

Gandhi opposed the Biblical 'eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth' with a question that will that not turn the whole world toothless and blind. The counter is that if only one is to follow Gandhi while the rest of the world continues to have 'tit for tat' then only the non-violent will be both blind and toothless! In the real world one sided non-violence will always be disastrous not unlike one sided love that results in acid attacks.

Acts of terrorism are planned abroad and supported by enemy country's full resources. We in India want to apply common civil law to these complicated crimes. 'Incredible India' is the only country in the world that has no special law to deal with terrorist violence. We are destined to continue to suffer as citizens, capture of one Zabiuddin is not going to change that reality.

The rationale behind the Saudi change of heart!

In international relations things do not happen accidentally, there is always a larger design and picture behind these events. But even more important than this co-operation in nabbing a terrorist, this event underlines the growing close relations between India and Saudi Arabia. This is a direct result of India toeing the American line on Iran. The Saudis have made no secret of the fact that they see Iran and its nuclearisation as a direct threat. With India cutting down on oil imports from Iran and importing oil from Saudi Arabia, we have signaled our intentions. Handing over Indian terrorists sheltered in Saudi Arabia is their way to say thank you. Obviously this creates complications for Pakistan.

Saudi-Pakistan relations have been extremely close and most analysts accept that Pakistan nukes would be available to Saudi Arabia against Iran. That Saudi Arabia has chosen to annoy its principal hedge against Iran nukes is an event of very significant importance. Why has Saudi Arabia seemingly lost confidence in Pakistani nukes? Have Americans managed to neutralise them? Is this a prelude to de-fanging of Pak nuke teeth? All this is in nature of speculation but of great importance for India and its security planners.

By itself this coming close of India and Saudi Arabia and more importantly Saudi Arabia distancing itself from Pakistan terror project in India is an event of tectonic proportions. More so when seen in the light of some other events taking place in our neighbourhood. Sample this,

President Vladimir Putin [ Images ] is visiting Pakistan on September 26 this year. The first ever such visit by a Russia [ Images ]n President. Last year Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari [ Images ] visited Russia, first such visit in 37 years.

China has moved its frontline Sukhoi aircraft to the Lhasa airfield.

The two events are in a sense linked to India and US getting closer. The moves by Russia, China and Saudi Arabia are a direct consequence of the Indo-US quasi alliance taking shape. It is worth speculating that the contours of this relationship were made explicit when Indian PM Manmohan Singh [ Images ] staked the survival of his government for the Indo-US nuclear deal in 2008. The understanding reached then has been further carried forward by the two countries and Russian and Chinese actions are a reaction to this major move by India.

The Indo-US partnership has made Pakistani position of seeking parity with India untenable. But unable to wean itself away from the addiction to American economic and military aid, Pakistan has limited options. One of them is to bring the pot on the boil in Kashmir.

In the coming months we must expect Pakistan-sponsored violence to increase in Kashmir. A major strike against the Amarnath yatra [ Images ] (the Hindu pilgrimage) in which lakhs of people gather presents one such opportunity. A major strike against the pilgrims can have a terrible echo in the rest of the country.

This author had mentioned earlier that in this difficult hour for Pakistan, its 'all weather' friend China will come to its rescue. This may well take the shape of a border skirmish against India. It would also be an appropriate way to remind India, 50 years after the disaster of 1962, that China has the capability of 'teaching a lesson' to India. China can then bank on the peacenik lobby in India to put the blame on Indo-US closeness for this.

All in all, we are in for 'interesting' time as the Chinese say. One only hopes that Indian policy makers are aware of the possible Chinese reaction and Pakistani designs in Kashmir. May be the Americans, aware of this have already strengthened Indian defence capability so that the lesson would be learnt by the Chinese (like they did in case of Vietnam in 1979)!

But it is reasonable to predict that major changes in inter-relationships in Asia are in the offing.

Colonel (retd) Anil Athale
 

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Does the deportation of 26/11 prime accused Abu Jundal/Abu Hamza/Zabiuddin Ansari by Saudi Arabia signal a tectonic shift in India's [ Images ] Middle-East policy? Colonel (retd) Anil Athale tries to explain.
I think we would do well not to be too excited by this new "Indo-Saudi partnership". I don't believe that the Saudis will handover Pakistanis to us anyway, otherwise there is a great chance - these holier-than-thou terrorists would be going to KSA for Haj every year, would they not? I think it was just the death of the crown prince who was also handling Interior Ministry and US pressure, in return for no noise on Headley, which got Zabiuddin Ansari.

Finally we should stop playing the dossier game with Pakistan.
 
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Saudis had no option after the DNA evidence was shown to them. At that point of time, further refusal would've disgruntled their Indians counterparts completely and not to mention the Americans as well.
They were not courting us from the beginning. They played neutral as long as they possibly could.

I agree on the failure of dossier diplomacy. The pukis mock at our dossiers anyway. Our Govt. is fond of getting itself and the country humiliated again and again.

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The DNA evidence proved that he was of Indian origin but he still had a Pakistani passport. The Pakistani tried to get him back for months. In the NewsHour day before that is the point that Mr Dhumal asked our Pakistani guests - if this was not who we think it is, why did the Pakistanis try so hard to get him back? (As an aside, this question was met by silence compared to Arnab's questions, he should really let his more informed guests speak)

I think the Saudis have disgruntled their Indian counterparts so many times that it does not matter to them. So I still maintain that it was the death of the crown prince and US pressure which got Zabiuddin Ansari.
 

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Saudis had no option after the DNA evidence was shown to them. At that point of time, further refusal would've disgruntled their Indians counterparts completely and not to mention the Americans as well.
They were not courting us from the beginning. They played neutral as long as they possibly could.

I agree on the failure of dossier diplomacy. The pukis mock at our dossiers anyway. Our Govt. is fond of getting itself and the country humiliated again and again.

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I'll agree, the whole Saudi thing is being way over played. They are still as much a "brother" nation to Pakistan as they were, and nothing has changed, of course a feel good atmosphere is being created through the funding from the respective country.

Had the US and Iran not been in the picture, there wouldn't have been any repatriation of the two terrorists, absolutely not.

Anyways, it's important to make hay while the sun shines, there are way too many of them and a decent number in the KSA, India needs to get it's hand on most of these soon enough.
 

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Looks like the International implications thread got merged here.

The Abu Jindal case is not the only case of Indo-Saudi anti-terror co-operation. Keep in mind that 90% of this is co-operation is secret and a lot of this is survelience of terror suspects like intercepting their phone calls in KSA. At least one other case that we know of is Fasih Mehmood that got arrested by the Saudis about 1+ month ago. There are reports of others - between 3 and 10 - in custody or under survelience. Sometimes, it makes more sense to just monitor terror suspects and see who they are meeting up with rather than just arrest and loose crucial leads.

Abu Jindal himself was under arrest for a year and no one even knew about this even in MEA if reports in the media are to be believed. This shows how much of a secret operation this was. And there are now reports that more terror suspects might be extradited as well. There is a clear indication that Indo-Saudi relations are much better - particularly on the anti-terror front- after the extradition treaty was signed in 2010 when MMS went to KSA.

IMO, the main change has happened because of the death of Prince Nayef who was heading the ministry of Interior. He was known to be close to Pakistani ISI and elements there. But Prince Salman and the new Interior chief are quite serious about clamping down on all terror activity and look at Pakistan as being more of a liability than asset. If people can remember, it was Prince Muqrin, the new interior chief who said to the Americans that they think 10 times before passing on any info to the ISI because they just don't trust them anymore. Keep in mind that the Army chief Kayani has personally travelled for the funeral and its very likely he would have also put the demand to not deport Abu Jindal to India but was over-ruled.

Is it a coincidence that within a week or two of Prince Nayef's death; Abu Jindal's deportation was approved keeping aside Pakistani intervention and probably direct ISI and Kayani intervention as well in the process? Because Nayef was the only person basically vetoing the deportation? All speculation on my part but its just my view that with Prince Nayef gone, the Saudi cabinet has gotten a more pro-India and pro-US leaning cabinet.

In any case, Indian intelligence and diplomatic community seem to be ecstatic at getting the first deportation of sorts. We don't really get a lot of sucess from other countries keeping in mind the extradition requests sent out to Spain and the US. The only other country that we did get wanted criminals extradited was from BD where ULFA and NDFB rebels were deported.

Overall, it will be a big blow to Pakistan who had thought that Saudi can be a safe haven to run proxy campaigns against India. Most GCC countries already have strong anti-terror co-operation but KSA was a bit of a laggard but with KSA onboard, it will make a big difference. That is why a close relationship with the US is increasingly important to leverage of their influence in the GCC region.

What I find funny was how on another Pakistani forum a thread about Saudi help to India on deporting Abu Jindal was deleted as if that would somehow make people forget this fact. :D


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There is just no use in getting Pakistani "guests" on talks shows like Arnab does unless you just want to vent out on someone. These people have no idea what is happening and those who do - the ISI / Army - will never come on TV.

The only way ahead is to cut out Pakistani life support - first the US, now the GCC bloc and then China. Its the only way to bring about the straitjacket around PA/ISI. The next step should be that India should go to UN to declare Pakistan a state sponsor of terror and get the PA/ISI and associated business sanctioned by the UN. There should be no bilateral and dossier diplomacy now. Its time to step it up and target state actors directly.
 
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At the end of 26/11 terror attacks, Karachi control room wore a celebratory look: Abu Jundal

In a sense Abu Jundal is right in saying that 26/11 will be remembered by indians for generations to come.Coz this was one of the most successful attack which bought india to its knees.26/11 was india's panipat,waterloo,1971.May be next pakistani missle will be named after kasb for his heroics in mumbai.
Cowards attacks like 26/11 and 9/11 are ALWAYS remembered not only as a sign of being a coward but also a blot on the whole community as well who did it.... both these terrorist attacks had 100% muslims involved. These attacks are included in historical "Hall of Shame" for the whole community and Pakistan specially.

If anything to be proud of then its this which is a "Hall of Fame", where Indian Army bought Pakistan Army not just on its knees but Pak Army laid under Indian Army in TOTAL surrender and submission:-



What a SHAME for Pakis :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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26/11 was an Indian plot, claims Pakistan

THIRUVANANTHAPURAM/NEW DELHI: Abu Jundal's disclosures — about the involvement of Pakistan's official agencies in the 26/11 plot and Islamabad's determined effort to block the deportation of one of the Mumbai attacks' masterminds to India — threaten to strain the bilateral ties.

Pakistan that worked hard to block Jundal's deportation for almost a year on grounds that he was actually Riyasat Ali from Pakistan, suddenly switched track to audaciously suggest that Jundal being an Indian national suggests that 26/11 could have been an Indian plot.

Even as Jundal gave details of the collaboration of Pakistan's state agencies in the 26/11 plot, its Interior Ministery adviser Rehman Malik blithely said India should focus on the role of Indians like Jundal, Fahim Ansari and Sabahuddin Ahmed in the Mumbai attacks. "Zabiuddin is Indian, he was caught in India, he did everything in India. Why are you blaming Pakistan? He is your citizen. That means your agencies failed to control their citizens. Please have a look at your system as well," Malik said.

Malik claimed that all the recent terror attacks in India had been the handiwork of Hindu terrorists. Claiming he had warned home minister P Chidambaram of this, Malik said, "We warned you (India) three years back that Hindu extremism is coming to your country. Your own Taliban are emerging there. So now we've seen the result and I wish best of luck to India that the law enforcement agencies must do something to stop it," he said.

The remark, seen as insensitive at a time when Jundal's arrest has revived the painful memories of the terrorist assault on Mumbai, rankled even more because Pakistan's efforts to block the deportation of the terrorist have confirmed doubts in India that Islamabad has no intention to keep its promise to punish the 26/11 perpetrators. They also coincided with Jundal's disclosure about the elaborate effort that Lashkar and ISI made to make 26/11 appear a handiwork of Hindu extremists.

Rehman's outburst followed a strong statement by Chidambaram about the complicity of Pakistan. "India's claim of the Pakistan state's involvement in Mumbai's 26/11 terror strike has been proved with the confession statement of Abu Jundal," Chidambaram stated in Thirvananthapuram on Wednesday.

"There has been a state involvement in the 26/11 attack and we have been constantly claiming this. Now Abu Jundal has confirmed this to the interrogators," he told reporters.

The home minister also disclosed that he had on Tuesday got a note from Malik requesting him to share with Islamabad information that was gathered about Jundal.

"We will do that in due course. But I will insist that Pakistan keeps its promise and gives us the voice samples of all the persons whose list was given. Let's see how Pakistan reacts. It is Pakistan which is under pressure, not India," he said.

The exchange confirmed that the arrest and subsequent revelations are sure to contribute to a period of chill in the bilateral relations, because, despite everything, Pakistan's actions on terrorism do not make the cut.

Chidambaram's ire is centred on the fact that for months Pakistan tried hard to stop the deportation of Zabiuddin, alias Jundal to India. It was a clear sign that Pakistan retained interest in keeping their terror assets intact, and Chidambaram will now up the ante on voice samples from Pakistan. That will become the new benchmark of Pakistan's cooperation on terror.

"He (Jundal) has confirmed that he was in the control room. He has identified some of the people present there and he has named some among them. This has confirmed our suspicion that there was some organised effort. There were some kind of state actors. The argument that non-state actors were behind the massacre is no longer valid," he said. Chidambaram confirmed that India had been tracking Jundal for a year and had hunted him down successfully.

The home minister also lashed out at Pakistan for not acting tough against the 26/11 accused who are having safe-heaven in their country. "Today the world appreciates the restraint we have shown. The world appreciates how India is tracking down every one of the accused in the 26/11 attack. In contrast, Pakistan comes out poorly as a country in denial," he said.

Chidambaram said India would crack down on each and every one of the conspirators and accomplices of the terror attack. "We will continue to exert pressure on Pakistan to hand over the masterminds of 26/11. We have identified five people, which Pakistan continues to deny of either having any involvement in the attack or their presence in the country," he added.

Stating the trial of the seven accused had been put on the fast track, Malik said, the relatives of Pakistani nationals killed in the Samjhauta Express blast were demanding that Col S K Purohit, the Indian Army officer linked to the attack, should be handed over to Islamabad. "Hindu extremism is visible in (terrorist) incidents, we stand cleared," Malik remarked. "I hope the Indian authorities have a very close look and go into the system, as to what's wrong in their system that this is happening," he added.
 

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Abu Jundal arrest: Who stands to gain?

It's intriguing why Pakistani security establishment sent 26/11 handler Abu Jundal to Saudi despite being aware that he would be highly vulnerable. M K Bhadrakumar analyses

Adrenaline has been flowing through the Indian veins for the past 48 hours since Zabiuddin Ansari aka Abu Jundal had his 'homecoming' after a prolonged absence abroad. He is a 'precious catch', no doubt.

Aside corroborative evidence, he can provide us fresh evidence about the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai [ Images ]. But there are also things he may not know, simply because he was not in the loop, as they say.


To begin with, it is curious that Pakistan sent him out on a mission to Saudi Arabia knowing that under the late Crown Prince Nayef, Riyadh has had one of the toughest and most ruthlessly efficient security apparatus in the world to eliminate the traces of international terrorism. Riyadh has met with outstanding success in its anti-terror operations against the Al Qaeda [ Images ] and affiliate groups that may be present on Saudi soil.

Saudi Arabia does use terror as an instrument of state policy, but it is strictly in other countries only. It is well-known that Riyadh played a big role in mobilising the anti-Shi'ite Salafist terror groups in post-Saddam Hussein Iraq despite their affiliation with the Al Qaeda with a view to prevent the Shi'ite empowerment. The Saudis are today openly helping terror groups in Syria with the hope to bring about a 'regime change' in that country. Equally, the Saudi role in organising Islamist radicals in the Libyan war is well-known.

But the golden rule in Riyadh is that the radical elements will be exterminated from Saudi soil as such, since they might threaten the stability of the regime. This is one major difference between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.

That is to say, Pakistani security establishment would have known that Ansari was highly vulnerable on Saudi soil. Yet they apparently directed him to go and operate as a lone ranger out of Saudi soil, hoodwinking that country's intelligence. This remains an intriguing detail that needs some explanation. The point is India-Pakistan entanglements are never quite what meets the eye.

The heart of the matter is that Pakistan enjoys very close relationship with Saudi Arabia and one enduring template is security and military cooperation. (Pak army chief Ashfaq Kayani broke protocol to attend Nayef's funeral.) There is no doubt that if a day arrives with Iran going 'nuclear', Saudis will follow suit and reams of papers have been written by authoritative analysts that Riyadh might even source a custom made nuclear bomb from Pakistan.

Suffice to say, it is a profound relationship. That brings us to a second question: Didn't Pakistan weigh in that it was sure to provoke the Saudi security establishment if it transpired at any stage that Rawalpindi had introduced Ansari, who is a Lashkar e-Tayiba operative? Why did Pakistan risk such a misadventure that held the potential to raise dust in Saudi-Pakistani ties?

Suffice to say, Pakistani motivations in this case are rather complex. The first Pakistan reaction by Interior Minister Rehman Malik [ Images ] has been that Ansari is after all an Indian.

Even more intriguing is that Ansari has been apparently in the custody of the Saudi intelligence for months. Why were they holding him for so long? How did they nab him? Or, did they nab him or someone virtually handed him over to the Saudis? Why did the Saudis decide to deport him as the month of June 2012 was ending? In diplomacy, timing is of the highest significance.

Are we to believe that Ansari was a total duffer who opened a Facebook account in his real name which alerted spooks to his presence in the Saudi capital, etc, etc.?

To move on to yet another plane, enter Washington.

The United States has scrambled to take credit for getting the Saudis to deport Ansari. The former US secretary of state Madeline Albright has been camping in New Delhi [ Images ] in recent days knocking at the doors of Indian politicians (including -- or especially -- the opposition politicians) canvassing support for Delhi's impending 'reform' allowing Wal Mart [ Images ] to enter India's [ Images ] $430 billion retail market.

Now, Albright abruptly changes tack and goes 'live' on the Indian television to flag Ansari's capture as one of the finest flowers of the US-Indian security cooperation.

Albright's message is not difficult to decipher: The US has only India's best interests in mind -- be it Ansari or Wal Mart.

The templates that surface in all this are the following: a) Pakistani motivations in sending Ansari to the viper's nest; b) Timing of the Saudi decision to deport Ansari; c) The US role (or lack of a role) in it in substantive terms.

The irresistible question in all this is once again, "Who stands to gain?"

To be sure, Pakistan loses heavily. Either it has been downright stupid or it gambled and lost or it willfully acted by getting rid of a most dangerous Indian from its soil who is in any case a 'burnt-out case'. Pakistan knew Ansari would probably spill the beans if he got into Indian hands, but then, Indians already knew much of what he might say anyway.

Equally, Saudis come out brilliantly as a sincere friend of India -- although they owe a decent explanation why they kept Ansari so long and precisely now decided to deport him. Interestingly, this comes at a time when the geopolitics of the Persian Gulf is in high volatility and India has choices to make in its regional policies in West Asia on more than one front where Saudi long-term interests are at stake -- 'regime change' in Syria and Iran issue, in particular.

The Saudis are acutely conscious that India has been ploughing a careful middle line in its West Asia policies despite its robust overtures to effect a 'tilt' in favor of the US-Saudi-Qatari axis.

Unsurprisingly, Uncle Sam has appeared from nowhere to claim credit. As the Wal Mart saga unfolds, it certainly pays to create a 'feel-good' sense among the Indians, who are an emotional lot as a nation. Albright is a seasoned campaigner who never lets go her mission half way.

That apart, the US also would like to step into the India-Pakistan dialogue, which lately has been having a dynamics of its own sequestered from the chill in US-Pakistan ties. Indeed, highly irresponsible calls are being made in certain quarters in India questioning the raison d'etre of the dialogue with Pakistan. No doubt, the atmospherics of the India-Pakistan dialogue have overnight come under weather. Again, the lingering question would be, 'Who stands to gain?'

M K Bhadrakumar
 

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Darling dont waste your energy, soon abu jindal will sing like bird and well tell us everything he knows. Bottom line is that we have him and all those in that control room must be running with fear as RAW hit squad will get them sooner or later.
 

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Abu Jundal's DNA profiled in covert operation, mother denies
Published: Thursday, Jun 28, 2012, 17:09 IST
Place: Mumbai | Agency: PTI


When the photograph sent by an Indian investigating agency did not match Syed Zabiuddin alias Abu Jundal in Saudi Arabian custody, a covert DNA matching was undertaken by the security agencies — the story of which had all the trappings of a crime thriller.

Immediately after the arrest of the key handler in the 2008 Mumbai attack in the first week of May in Saudi Arabia last year following intelligence inputs provided by Indian security agencies, the authorities in Riyadh informed India about his detention.

Saudi authorities at the same time also informed that his name was Riyasat Ali and he had a Pakistani passport and Computerised Personal Identification Card issued at Karachi, officials associated with the probe said today.

The authorities in Riyadh also informed that the photographs sent by Indian security agencies did not match with him, triggering anxiety.

After much deliberations, a senior official of Mumbai police was roped in for a covert operation to secure a DNA sample from the father of 31-year-old Zabiuddin.

The senior official, who was working under the command of the Union Home Ministry, immediately took out the list of informers in Beed district.

In a carefully chalked out operation, one of the informers started picking up regular fights with father of Zabiuddin and in one such scuffle, the father had to be taken for medical aid.

During the course of the medical treatment, blood samples were taken discreetly and these were preserved and sent to laboratories in Hyderabad and Delhi for DNA profiling.

After completion of DNA profiling, the same was dispatched to Saudi Arabia.

However, even before the profile matching could take place, Zabiuddin acknowledged he was an Indian resident and also admitted he had a role in the Mumbai attack.

Zabiuddin's mother, however, claimed that the samples of the family were never collected.

"Our (Rehana and her husband Zakiuddin's) DNA test was never done," Rehana Begum told reporters in Beed.
Abu Jundal's DNA profiled in covert operation, mother denies - India - DNA

now we are playing game by the same rule as played by terrorists ................:thumb:
 
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Darling dont waste your energy, soon abu jindal will sing like bird and well tell us everything he knows. Bottom line is that we have him and all those in that control room must be running with fear as RAW hit squad will get them sooner or later.
That wont change anything except you dumping dossiers in multiple copies across wagha.:taunt:
 

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