Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Bornubus]

Paki trolls are incompetent even when trolling.

Those whose "special forces" were dropped into wrong Indian areas, captured by a few villagers and pleaded for mercy should not comment on others.

War blunders in 1965
http://www.dawn.com/news/839808/war-blunders-in-1965



On the night of Sept 6, 1965, three C-130 planes took off from Peshawar and headed towards the Pathankot, Adampur and Halwara airbases. The passengers were SSG commandos who were to parachute into pre-selected areas in the vicinity of the bases, then move in and create havoc.

At 2.30am (Indian time) they jumped out and in less than a minute hit the ground, most of them landing in settlements and water channels that were not supposed to be there. The alarm was raised. With surprise, their main weapon lost, their mission was foredoomed to failure. The next 48 hours saw them fighting running battles with their pursuers until their ammunition ran out.

In their first mission SSG operatives ended up being Indian POW after being beaten up by Punjabi Villagers who captured them and handed them over to Military.

Paki SSG pow - Look how well built,tall and handsome they are.

"It's difficult to see what they could have achieved. What this operation aimed to achieve is difficult to understand."

- IAF Air Chief Marshal P.C.Lal

The Pakistani Army’s special forces were raised as the Special Service Group (SSG) in 1956 using the cadre of 19 (Para) Baloch. This special force was trained in sobotage and disruptive activities behind enemy lines.

On the night of 6th September, around 200 officers and men of the SSG were air-dropped by C-130s near the Indian airbases of Adampur, Pathankot and Halwara on a bold mission to destroy Indian combat aircraft and put the bases out of action. They would then ex-filtrate back to Pakistan, following the numerous rivulets and streams that flow from Punjab back to their home territory.

Pathankot

It was wee hours of the morning when para-troopers landed at Pathankot. The pitch darkness and difficult terrain (it was criss-crossed by canals, streams and the fields were full of water) prevented them from regrouping. Most of them, including their Commander, Major Khalid Butt were arrested by the Police and the Army within the next 2 days.

Adampur


This group too faced the same fate as the Pathankot team - unable to assemble, they tried to hide in the cornfields during the day. However, the farmers formed mobs and captured them, and some were even killed by the Punjabis. Their Commander, Capt Durrani was also taken POW.

Halwara

Some of the men landed within the airfield perimeter itself and were soon rounded up. However the detachment commander, Major Hazur Hasnain, and one of his men managed to get away in a captured Jeep.

It is clear that troops possesed little knowledge of the terrain and were dropped in too large a number to be effective. The final analysis evealed that more than 180 commandos were dropped out of which 136 were taken prisoners, 22 were killed in encounters with the army, police or the civilians and 22-15 managed to escape to Pakistan. Considering the fact that Pathankot is barely 10 miles from the IB, this number is'nt too much of an achievement.

Further Reading

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/1965-ssg1.html

 

[Yodha]

Paki SSG pow - Look how well built,tall and handsome they are.

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Chiii, are they Special forces or cleaning staff. [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

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[armyofhind]

MARCOS.
Killhouse Drills I presume.

 

[sayareakd]

Guys stick to topic...................................

 

[AbRaj]

Chiii, are they Special forces or cleaning staff. [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

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Actually they are specially trained to fight with likes of Chhotu Gangs

 

[Rahul Khanna]

Guys stick to topic...................................

+1

The Irony is that whether we like it or not the SSG are extremely accomplished Soldiers - and no Indian Soldier mocks them as an Adversary.

 

[sayareakd]

+1

The Irony is that whether we like it or not the SSG are extremely accomplished Soldiers - and no Indian Soldier mocks them as an Adversary.

It may be true, but you might not be aware of fact that 1/3 of the entire strength of SSG in PA surrendered in 1971. In East Pakistan at that time they had 1/3 strength stationed their and they just surrendered to IA.

SSG tried their best to hide this fact. Any way lets get back to topic at hand.

 

[Bornubus]

Paki SSG under Subedar Attaullah Muhammad manned the snow fortress "Qaid Post" in Siachen which was secured from three sides by steep walls.The post overlook and directed Arty fire on Indian positions at Saltoro Ridge for 3 years.

Regular Indian troops captured the post when they Raid the post from unexpected direction by climbing steep walls.

All 8 Paki SSG operatives were killed,some were bayoneted to death.Their bodies were returned by India in a flag meeting.

Now the post is known as "Baba" post named after PVC Bana Singh - Jak li Regt.

 

[delta]

i remember there was a reddit AMA with an indian army para SF soldier (dont remember if he was serving or retired), and he held the pakistani and chinese soldiers in high regard in terms of capabilities. some people were sorta disappointed at an indian special forces soldier saying that.

his answer was simple: know thy enemy!

the SSG were misused during the 71 war, and the 65 op was botched, but they still ought to be treated with respect. otherwise we will be making the same mistake the pak army used to --- consider the enemy as inferior and have overconfidence in your own capabilities

 

[kr9]

i remember there was a reddit AMA with an indian army para SF soldier (dont remember if he was serving or retired), and he held the pakistani and chinese soldiers in high regard in terms of capabilities. some people were sorta disappointed at an indian special forces soldier saying that.

his answer was simple: know thy enemy!

the SSG were misused during the 71 war, and the 65 op was botched, but they still ought to be treated with respect. otherwise we will be making the same mistake the pak army used to --- consider the enemy as inferior and have overconfidence in your own capabilities

An SF operative is 'special' mostly because of his cunning and unconventional methods. The rest is his training and physical qualities.

The high capability of Pakistani and Chinese troops are in this lack of regard for any international laws, equipment and public support. They get what they ask for and no one questions their actions. Meanwhile our soldiers are stuck with obsolete procurement rules, bureaucracy and an apathetic government and public. Our SFs are used as super-soldiers on conventional battlefields and on CoIn operations in own territory.

Based on what media is available on our SFs, I would say they seem to be at par with the SAS, and in some cases even better; if it comes down to a soldiers skills and physique. The Garud training period is 3 years (the longest in the world).

Yes, it is dangerous to under-estimate an enemy. But the handicap of our soldiers are because of us (Indian public) and no one else. We lack a certain aggressive, violent and ruthless nature when dealing with our enemies. We are too liberal and law abiding.

Forget about an enemy's rights and the rules of war, let our elites & SFs loose on them and, believe me, they will put the fear of the devil in Pakistan & China (SSG or not).

 

[abingdonboy]

MARCOs during "Exercise Prasthan"- a simulated terror attack on an oil rig in the Indian ocean.

 

[Navnit Kundu]

In their first mission SSG operatives ended up being Indian POW after being beaten up by Punjabi Villagers who captured them and handed them over to Military.

Paki SSG pow - Look how well built,tall and handsome they are.


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"It's difficult to see what they could have achieved. What this operation aimed to achieve is difficult to understand."

- IAF Air Chief Marshal P.C.Lal

The Pakistani Army’s special forces were raised as the Special Service Group (SSG) in 1956 using the cadre of 19 (Para) Baloch. This special force was trained in sobotage and disruptive activities behind enemy lines.

On the night of 6th September, around 200 officers and men of the SSG were air-dropped by C-130s near the Indian airbases of Adampur, Pathankot and Halwara on a bold mission to destroy Indian combat aircraft and put the bases out of action. They would then ex-filtrate back to Pakistan, following the numerous rivulets and streams that flow from Punjab back to their home territory.

Pathankot

It was wee hours of the morning when para-troopers landed at Pathankot. The pitch darkness and difficult terrain (it was criss-crossed by canals, streams and the fields were full of water) prevented them from regrouping. Most of them, including their Commander, Major Khalid Butt were arrested by the Police and the Army within the next 2 days.

Adampur


This group too faced the same fate as the Pathankot team - unable to assemble, they tried to hide in the cornfields during the day. However, the farmers formed mobs and captured them, and some were even killed by the Punjabis. Their Commander, Capt Durrani was also taken POW.

Halwara

Some of the men landed within the airfield perimeter itself and were soon rounded up. However the detachment commander, Major Hazur Hasnain, and one of his men managed to get away in a captured Jeep.

It is clear that troops possesed little knowledge of the terrain and were dropped in too large a number to be effective. The final analysis evealed that more than 180 commandos were dropped out of which 136 were taken prisoners, 22 were killed in encounters with the army, police or the civilians and 22-15 managed to escape to Pakistan. Considering the fact that Pathankot is barely 10 miles from the IB, this number is'nt too much of an achievement.

Further Reading

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/1965-ssg1.html

Awesome!

I wonder why you missed out the photo of Pakistani SSG guys being shamefully paraded in the farms by Indian villagers, (from the same source). Here :

 

[Bornubus]

2nd Para SF (British Chinook) - Sierra Leone, Op Khukri 2000

 

[Navnit Kundu]

2nd Para SF (British Chinook) - Sierra Leone, Op Khukri 2000

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The most awesome part of this operation is reading the headcounts of dead people. It says :

India : 0 dead, few injured.
Rebels : Several hundred dead.

Chalo, aant bhala toh sabh bhala

 

[Yodha]

I knew a soldier who participated in Op Khukri, He said that most kills have been made using the artillery/ field gun. Those guns have been lifted by the chinooks. At that age I couldn't understand what a Chinook was. He tried to explain it to me but failed to do so because of my unawareness. He said that the first assault started from 20-25 distance from the RUF position. Upon shelling them relentlessly, then the foot assault and mech assault has begun. Its a story that gave me goose bumps.

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[Bornubus]

The most awesome part of this operation is reading the headcounts of dead people. It says :

India : 0 dead, few injured.
Rebels : Several hundred dead.

Chalo, aant bhala toh sabh bhala

Only one KIA on our side.


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[Rahul Khanna]

Sad part is the SAS got all the media Glory in SL. (they did an op a month before as well). BTW the 2 Para's were given support by D Squadron SAS (Combat Controllers & SIGINT & Equipment).

The Op by 2 Para was done using Tourist Maps, Borrowed Equipment and doing week-10 day long LRRP. They were Pathfinders and the Primary Assaulter s another 2000 UN troops (primarily Indian was the Holding, Perimeter force. 9 Para was QRF for the Op.

This Op was Classic SOF warfare supported by Conventional Combined Arms. It was biggest defeat the RUF ever suffered.

There is a Kukri Memorial in SL.

THe Brits did a similar to rescue British Soliders from the West Side boys. Operation Barras. Ofcourse they made a Movie on it and BBC did a Documentary on the SuperDooper SAS. So Kukri lies Forgotten except to those who took part and those who got saved.

 

[Rahul Khanna]

On another note. How Many know that MARCOS was operating in Somalia in 93 (when Black Hawk Down took place)

 

[Yodha]

On another note. How Many know that MARCOS was operating in Somalia in 93 (when Black Hawk Down took place)

Never heard of it... Any credible source.
Posting links will be much appreciated.

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[Rahul Khanna]

"1993 United Nations Operation in Somalia. Four teams of MARCOS were deployed off Mogadishu in support of the Indian contingent in Somalia. The team provided Maritime Special Ops support to the Naval Task Force."

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/spotlights/navys-marine-commandos/