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Much of the delay is because India is going to be placing indigenous AIP in them.whats program pace. i almost forget india is going for 6 scorpene. its soo sloww
Much of the delay is because India is going to be placing indigenous AIP in them.whats program pace. i almost forget india is going for 6 scorpene. its soo sloww
is this true. last i heard was that this submarine will be completely french but made in indiaMuch of the delay is because India is going to be placing indigenous AIP in them.
India’s Multi-billion Dollar Scorpene Sub Contractis this true. last i heard was that this submarine will be completely french but made in india
Russian Navy or the French?If I am not mistaken even the Russian Navy is having second thoughts about the scorpenes so you may be able to get them at a good price. At least the monkey versions.
Russian Navy or the French?
Why would Russian Navy have thoughts about a French sub?
Modern Submarines are very complex. Every Major Submarine Program in the World is faced with Cost Over Runs, Delays, Engineering and Technological Challenges.Nuclear submarine INS Chakra facing problems with critical components: Navy
PTI Dec 24, 2012, 05.01AM IST
INS Chakra Component Problems|
INS Chakra|
Indian Navy
(INS Chakra. )
NEW DELHI: India's only Russian-origin nuclear submarine INS Chakra is facing problems with its critical components affecting its operational readiness.
The 8,000-tonne submarine has been facing problems with its critical components and Russia has been asked to provide the parts for the vessel which need to be replaced, Navy sources told PTI here.
However, they did not divulge the components which would have to be replaced but indicated they are critical for the operations of the submarine.
India had inducted the Akula-II Class 'Nerpa' nuclear submarine in its inventory in April this year at the Vishakhapatnam-based Eastern Naval Command. It was renamed 'Chakra' by the Indian Navy.
The Russian submarine had met with an accident in November 2008 when it was undergoing sea trials in the Sea of Japan in which around twenty sailors were killed and several others were left injured.
The submarine was launched in 1993-94 but its construction was held up since then due to lack of funds with the Russian Navy.
However, in 2004, the Russian side decided to build it after reaching a ten-year lease agreement for operation of the submarine with the Indian side.
With INS Chakra and the yet-to-be-inducted indigenously built INS Arihant, India is planning to have two nuclear submarines guarding its vast maritime boundary.
With a maximum speed of 30 knots, Chakra can go to a depth of 600 metres and has an endurance of 100 days with a crew of 73. However, as per the lease accord, it cannot carry nuclear warheads.
The vessel is armed with four 533mm and four 650mm torpedo tubes.
India had leased and operated a Charlie-class Russian nuclear submarine, also called 'Chakra', in 1988 for training its personnel on such submarines.
Some componets are highly complicated and take special materials, manfacturing processes, and skills that were part of the USSR but not manfactured in Russia. In many cases these factories and the people will the skills and even the orignal research are not available.
US Virginia Class.The problems with the cost and delivery of Britain's new nuclear-powered hunter-killer submarines were set out in uncompromising detail in a report published by the National Audit Office this time last year.
An NAO report from 2002 noted the Astute was supposed to have been launched in 2005, but that technical difficulties had pushed this back to 2006. In fact, the boat was not finished until 2009. Nine years after it was commissioned, and despite remedial work to the contract that cost the MoD an extra £400m, the Astute was still proving to be the military's biggest procurement headache, with the cost of the programme growing by more than any other major defence project. Even now the costs are continuing to rise, with the NAO predicting the programme is now almost £2bn over budget – more than the cost of a single new submarine.
source: TOINEW DELHI: The Scorpene submarine project underway in Mumbai has suffered fresh troubles, with a new assessment showing another 18 months of delay even as its Spanish consultants have left the venture.
According to sources, Mazagon Dock Limited (MDL) has informed the Navy that the project would be delayed by another 18 months from the 2015 deadline announced by defence minister AK Antony in Parliament last year.
Going by the latest MDL projections, the first Scorpene submarine would be ready for induction only by 2016-end. When the contract was signed, the first submarine was to be ready in 2012. However, the delay could be worse, according to other developments over the last few days.
Consultants from Navantia, the Spanish shipbuilding company, left the project in the last few days. The technical assistance pact for Navantia and DCNS, the French partner in the consortium, expired on March 31, sources said. With MDL failing to get the defence ministry's approval in time, about 10 Spanish consultants working on the submarine project left India. This could further add to the delay, sources said.
Adding to the troubles over the massive submarine project, with a budget of over Rs 23,000 crore, is the fact that the DCNS leadership is expected to meet with MDL top brass this week in Mumbai and present their own demand for additional technical assistance fee.
The developments come at a time when India's submarine fleet is expected to dwindle to just seven or so in two years time. Presently, India operates 10 ageing Russian Kilo class and four German HDW submarines. Indian Navy also has a Russian nuclear submarine INS Chakra on lease.
The Scorpene project, among the biggest defence deals signed by India till now, was concluded in October 2005. Over the years, the project has run into several delays. Originally, the first submarine was to be delivered in 2012. However, because of the complications and two-year delay in concluding contracts related to material to be procured by MDL, the project got delayed by three years.
Delivery by end-2016
Hulls for all six submarines, made of steel supplied by French division of ArcelorMittal, are ready in Mumbai, and the outfitting of equipment and systems is underway. With the Spanish consultants quitting, work on the part of the hull that they were responsible for could be delayed.
According to the new estimates, the first submarine will be ready for commissioning by end of 2016. And then, a new submarine could be ready for induction every 9-12 months.
According to the present projections, the last two submarines would have air independent propulsion systems (AIP) that would help the submarine stay underway water for one to three extra weeks. Without AIP, a Scorpene submarine can stay underwater continuously for five to six days. DRDO is presently developing an indigenous AIP, with assistance from DCNS. Initial assessments about the indigenous AIP system is said to be very good though with only about two weeks of endurance.
After hitting rough waters for several years with bribery allegations, the first of the six Scorpene submarines, ordered by the Indian Navy as part of technology transfer from France, is to be delivered in 2014, French ambassador Francois Richier said on Saturday. The rest five submarines are to be delivered every year.
First Scorpene submarine to be delivered in 2014, France says - Times Of India"It is a full transfer of technology, something we don't do with everybody. Defence component of India-French relations is very important to us," said Richier.