HAL Hawk

[root_slack]

Best option : Our own trainer

 

[Sridhar]

HAL Gets The Finger From BAE, $10.5-mil Hawk Mess-Up Claim Rejected

The increasing acrimony over India's troubled acquisition of the Hawk advanced jet trainer (AJT) has come to a head with BAE Systems summarily rejecting license-build partner HAL's $10.5-million claim for various slippages encountered during the early part of the ongoing licensed production programme. Following a report about the said claim in a newspaper, I asked BAE's India spokesman about the status of the claim. He replied, "This claim was rejected as we believe that the requirements of the contract had been met. In the limited number of cases where delivered items needed rework, this was done in accordance with the contractual provisions."

HAL first made the claim in June 2009. After attempting to get HAL to withdraw the claim and continue with the license build, BAE has finally officially refused to compensate HAL for various glitches in the license build contract that had cost implications for the latter. The BAE spokesperson further said, "HAL is now in an advanced stage of series production of the world's most successful advanced jet trainer that is revolutionising the training provided to the IAF's frontline fighter pilots. We believe the parties should focus on continuing this success story."

As you might imagine, HAL sees things very differently, and doesn't believe the Indian Hawk programme is a success at all. In fact, it is precisely this and other incidents that forced HAL to recommend to the government that BAE not be benefitted with a follow-on order for 57 more Hawks (40 fo the IAF and 17 for the Navy).

http://livefist.blogspot.com/2010/03/hal-gets-finger-from-bae-105-mil-hawk.html

 

[greyhound]

Is there any latest news on the HJT SITARA

 

[icecoolben]

I think after BAE hawk follow on selection ,this thread could have been closed.

 

[RAM]

Cameron to seek 1 billion pound Hawk deal with India

LONDON: UK will seek to sell 57 more Hawk Jet trainers to India in a deal worth a million pounds during David Cameron's first ever visit to New Delhi after taking over as Prime Minister next week.

The 57 trainers will be in addition to the 66 fighters already contracted for by the British aerospace company BAE.

Cameron is leading a clutch of cabinet ministers, who are among a 90-strong delegation, on a trade mission to India.

According to the Financial Times, defence exports will be one of the most concrete and contentious manifestations of the "special partnership" Cameron wants to forge with a rising power, which he feels Britain has neglected for too long.

According to The Times, Cameron will lead the big delegation to showcase his "commercially based foreign policy with a 1 billion pounds defence deal".

The prime minister is to travel with seven cabinet ministers, including the foreign secretary, chancellor and business secretary, in an effort to revitalise ties with New Delhi and to generate business in the insurance, financial services and technology sectors.

Cameron's team will also seek to press British interests in India's USD 11 billion (7.1 bn pounds) 126-aircraft fighter procurement contest.

Six manufacturers are in the running for the lucrative deal with EADS, the consortium that includes BAE Systems, offering the Eurofighter Typhoon jet.

The most immediate big deals, the paper said, may come in defence.

BAE hopes to sign a deal worth up to 500 million pounds to supply 57 more Hawk trainer jets, building on an established partnership with state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd, Bengaluru.

India ordered 66 Hawk jets from BAE in 2004 at 1 billion pounds cost.

All the aircraft in the follow-up deal, if achieved, are likely to be built by HAL.

The model for technology transfer and joint manufacturing could also be extended to UK aircraft carriers and shipbuilding.

Other potential defence equipment offers on the British stall include the Type-26 frigate, the "future surface combatant", which BAE Systems would seek to sell in "modular form" once its design is complete.

The UK company has been seeking shipbuilding opportunities as India's navy has sought to expand its fleet from its own dockyards rather than buying warships from other navies, the report said.

The BAE already has an armoured vehicle and artillery joint venture with truck maker Mahindra & Mahindra.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-Hawk-deal-with-India/articleshow/6210737.cms

 

[prateikf]

it's indeed good news that the option of follow on order was exercised rather than go for the never ending RFI, RFP and the never ending tender process which take atleast a decade or two at best to materialise.

 

[nitesh]

interesting:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ers-for-Rs-9400-crore/articleshow/6212502.cms
India to get 57 more Hawk jet trainers for Rs 9,400 crore

NEW DELHI: With British PM David Cameron slated to come visiting next week, India is getting all set to order another 57 British Hawk AJTs (advanced jet trainers) in a project worth around Rs 9,400 crore.

As reported by TOI earlier, this will be "a follow-on" order to the ongoing Rs 8,000-crore AJT project, finalized in March 2004 with BAE Systems, under which IAF is already getting 66 Hawk AJTs.

The AJT project has been dogged by some controversy, hit as the Hawks were by the disruption in the supply of some spares from BAE Systems. But the glitches seem to have been ironed out now.

As per the original contract, while IAF received 24 of the twin-seater trainers in "flyaway condition" from BAE Systems, the other 42 are being progressively manufactured indigenously by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd under transfer of technology.

The Navy will get 17 of the 57 new Hawks, which will also be manfactured by HAL, for its own aircraft carrier-based fighter training. Towards this, Navy inked a Rs 3,042-crore deal with HAL on Friday. "We will get the delivery over 36 months from 2013 onwards," said a Navy officer.

The Hawks already inducted at the Bidar airbase are being used to train rookie IAF pilots on the intricacies of combat fighter jet flying.

The AJTs help the young pilots to bridge the quantum jump from flying sub-sonic aircraft like HPT-32 and Kiran trainers to directly handling the supersonic 'highly-unforgiving' MiG-21s, without any transitional training to improve inadequate flying skills as was the norm earlier.

Apart from their sheer usefulness in training rookie pilots, the Hawks can also be used as ground attack or air defence aircraft in times of war, capable as they are of carrying 6,800 pounds of weapons, rockets, bombs and air-to-air missiles.

 

[youngindian]

BAE Systems, Rolls-Royce sign $1.1 bln contract with India's HAL


http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/389...h-india-hal-bae-systems-contract-with-hal.htm

 

[StealthSniper]

Fault grounds aircraft at Anglesey RAF base


All training Hawks at RAF Valley on Anglesey have been grounded after engineers detected a fault in an aircraft.

The problem with the ejector seat of one of the craft was spotted during an on-site inspection on Tuesday morning.

Hawks have also been grounded at RNAS Yeovilton in Somerset, RAF Leeming in Yorkshire and RAF Scampton in Lincolnshire.

The fleet will not be permitted to fly until each aircraft has been inspected.

There are currently around 50 Hawks based at RAF Valley, which provides advanced pilot training.

A source at RAF Valley told BBC Wales the fault was found due to the scrutiny of one of their local engineers.

It is not known how long it will take to inspect all the aircraft.

A Ministry of Defence (MOD) spokesperson said: "Safety of our air crews is of paramount importance.

"Although there may be a minor disruption to training flights while we investigate, there will be no impact on operations."

The grounding request affects all training Hawk aircraft in the UK that are fitted with a mark 10 ejection seat.

According to the MOD this will also affect the Red Arrows' ability to fly.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-10782263

 

[JHA]

Its time we bought some basic trainers also since our highly capable HAL is not capable of making one...

 

[ppgj]

Its time we bought some basic trainers also since our highly capable HAL is not capable of making one...

sir IJT was done in 3 years!! the delay was because IAF asked for a higher thrust engine and Russia supplied the new engine AL 55I and integration and trials made up for the delay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_HJT-36_Sitara

even AJT had been on cards but again IAF shot it down and went for the Hawks!!!

The IAF was disinterested and imported Hawk trainers from UK.

http://frontierindia.net/revisiting-indian-combat-air-trainer-project

 

[youngindian]

BAE, HAL May Jointly Market Hawks Globally.


http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...channel=defense&id=news/asd/2010/07/30/02.xml

 

[Rage]

BAE, HAL May Jointly Market Hawks Globally.


http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...channel=defense&id=news/asd/2010/07/30/02.xml

I think this'd be a good opportunity for Hindustan Aeronautics to learn some decent marketing skills.

I wonder if this will entail some profit-sharing, or even joint development on future variants, given they are operating under a transfer-of-technology regime.

HAL should look at this as an opportunity to revamp its production lines and expand its global footprint.

 

[prateikf]

Yes HAL has a lot to learn from BAE. HAL could do well to become as efficient as BAE systems.

 

[Welcome]

no doubt BAE Hawk is best for indian airforce and Navy. it can also use as fighter aircraft. but biggest question is that what will happened of HAL HJT-36, i mean the project will continued or it will be closed. yaar why india waste money on R&D.

 

[ppgj]

no doubt BAE Hawk is best for indian airforce and Navy. it can also use as fighter aircraft. but biggest question is that what will happened of HAL HJT-36, i mean the project will continued or it will be closed. yaar why india waste money on R&D.

welcome,

rest assured HAL IJT is well on it's way into the IAF.

HAL IJT as the name says it - is an "intermediate jet trainer". this is a tier less than the final tier where AJT like "HAWK" takes over after which the pilot trainee goes on the real fighter jet. IJT & AJT belong and cater to different phases of "training" a pilot.

IJT has already done hot weather trials and are due to be inducted after more trials.

even HAL had proposed an AJT some time back but IAF was not interested. check post # 49.

 

[dineshchaturvedi]

Shame on us even after decades we are talking about trainers. Hope next 5 years will fix some things.

 

[luckyy]

RFI was also issued to SOUTH KOREAN T-50 , isn't the specifications of this matches with LCA with underpowered kaveri engine..

 

[Tshering22]

I am wondering that despite such a rapid finish and even Russia promptly supplying the engine, WHAT THE HELL is taking so long to get the Sitaras in the IAF fleet? Till now despite everything being done ready and it even participating in an air show, still we're not seeing the HJT-36s in IAF colours yet. Anyone has any lead on what's the sudden problem despite everything being over and all modifications been done already?

I have a feeling that babus are behind this delay.

 

[Vladimir79]

What is this?

Meanwhile, following a decision by the Government of India spend more than $ 1 billion to buy 57 aircraft BAE Systems Hawk 132, sources in the Air Force confirmed that the country is no longer interested in jet training planes.

http://vpk.name/news/45935_indiiski...ya_novyii_uchebnotrenirovochnyii_samolet.html