HAL Advanced Light Helicopter Dhruv

[blue marlin]

Meaningful reply : 2 Crashes because of Pilot error + 2 Crashes because of Mechanical failure because of bad maintenance by Ecuador. and they cancel the Contract.

does india not provide maintainance support for them? they should have done. there the manufacturer after-all

 

[Neelkanth]

does india not provide maintainance support for them? they should have done. there the manufacturer after-all

India provided with maintenance training support and spares. But we cannot maintain it for them for a contract of just 7 Helos.

Ecuador is only one of 7 other countries who have bought Dhruv helos, only Ecuador has had crashes.

 

[blue marlin]

India provided with maintenance training support and spares. But we cannot maintain it for them for a contract of just 7 Helos.

Ecuador is only one of 7 other countries who have bought Dhruv helos, only Ecuador has had crashes.

thats true i hear the turkish dhruv's are doing good

 

[Certified Gipsy]

Guys, it is a serious issue that Ecuador has faced so many accidents with our Dhruv and have cancelled their contracts. Shouldn't India (HAL) send a team of investigators to Quito to find out what went wrong? Also, HAL should supply Ecuador two Dhruvs free of cost if there had been crashes due to mechanical failure, even though Ecuador cancels the contract with us. Why are the Dhruvs in Ecuador and India alone having problems, but not the ones used by Turkey? Shouldn't there be a serious quality check and conformation for the sake of customer confidence? Any air force officials in this forum that can give a true feedback of their experience with Dhruv?

 

[HariPrasad-1]

I also agree with @Kunal Biswas but we should be keeping a check on what Paki gets from china as we need to be prepared for two front wars at all time and with the given scenario of IA and IAF it is a distant dream to be fully prepared fro two front war

Keeping a check is a good thing but we have moved a lot ahead now. Our focus should be on china now and not the porkis. New government has taken some excellent measures. Soon we shall be in a position to kick the A$$ of china in small conflicts. Once we deploy S 400 and Home made LRSAM and AAD at chinese border, bloody they shall not be in a position to move any of their arial asset any where near our border. Vertical dive Brahmos is also coming up. Chinkis shall piss in there pant. Have you guys noted that border incursions have stopped now and china has offered a treat not to cross the border of each other.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

WIth the arrival of new 1200 KW engines of HAL and few hundred KG weight reduction in Dhruv, it will become a much more potent Chopper. Already the new Turbomaca shakti engine with 15% more power has arrived. Dhruva and all its derivatives shall become more A$$ kicker choppers.

 

[Certified Gipsy]

WIth the arrival of new 1200 KW engines of HAL and few hundred KG weight reduction in Dhruv, it will become a much more potent Chopper. Already the new Turbomaca shakti engine with 15% more power has arrived. Dhruva and all its derivatives shall become more A$$ kicker choppers.

Are you referring to the HTSE 1200? Isn't it just at the initial phase of design and development?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...ofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

WIth the arrival of new 1200 KW engines of HAL and few hundred KG weight reduction in Dhruv, it will become a much more potent Chopper. Already the new Turbomaca shakti engine with 15% more power has arrived. Dhruva and all its derivatives shall become more A$$ kicker choppers.

Maybe if we use a twin-engine configuration like Apache then there wont be any need for weight reduction. Let's not put any of our eggs in Turbomeca shakti, it's basically Turbomeca licensed to HAL, because HAL wasn't able to do it on its own (can legally come under embargo during sanctions) unlike the recent Aero engine which is un-embargoable. Probably the Shakti engine was the learning block to finally make Aero, but Aero is our hero now. Even Apache engine have similar power 1200KW so Apache uses 2 of them.

 

[pmaitra]

HAL ALH already has two engines.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

HAL ALH already has two engines.

Yes I know. But they are Turbomeca engines.

 

[pmaitra]

Yes I know. But they are Turbomeca engines.

I know. Your statement, "Maybe if we use a twin-engine configuration like Apache then there wont be any need for weight reduction," creates an impression that HAL ALH has a single engine.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

I know. Your statement, "Maybe if we use a twin-engine configuration like Apache then there wont be any need for weight reduction," creates an impression that HAL ALH has a single engine.

No, I didn't mean to say that. On the contrary, his suggestion that some weight reduction might be needed for the engine to be useful gave the impression that the engine was underpowered. So I suggested that our single engine is in fact of the same power rating as a single engine rating of an Apache helicopter. "No weight reduction needed, maybe you've overlooked the fact that even the Apache uses 2 engines of similar power rating". That's what I was saying to him. IDK why he thinks any weight reduction is needed at all.

 

[Abhi9]

DHRUV WSI..............................\............................

 

[Shaitan]

I think this is a TD past TD4.

 

[Indibomber]

Sarang is the helicopter display team of the Indian Air Force. The team flies four modified HAL Dhruv helicopters, also known as ALH (Advanced Light Helicopter). They will put up a show in Bahrain air show starting 21st.

 

[Sukhpal]

The indigenously designed and developed Advanced Light Helicopter (ALH-DHRUV) is a twin engine, multi-role, multi-mission new generation helicopter in the 5.5 ton weight class. The basic Helicopter is produced in skid version and wheeled version. Dhruv is “type –Certified” for Military operations by the Centre for Military Airworthiness Certification (CEMILAC) and civil operations by the Directorate General of Civil Aviation (DGCA).

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

As per some cag report the serviceability of dhruv in iaf / is is 45% with more than 40% of parts needed to be replaced in 25% of service life

Don't know whether the problem is user centric or mfg centric

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Why v
Can't we employ 3d printing tech in maintainance instead of focusing that in mfg ?

 

[cobra commando]

Since 2002, 16 Dhruv helicopters involved in accidents: Govt

Press Trust of India | New Delhi Mar 08, 2016

Since 2002, 16 Dhruv helicopters, built by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), have been involved in accidents, of which 12 occurred due to human error and environmental factors, government today said. In a written response to a question in Lok Sabha, Minister of State for Defence Rao Inderjit Singh said 78 of the 85 Advanced Light Helicopter-Utility Dhruv helicopters, for which contract had been signed, have been delivered to the Indian Army.
The Dhruv helicopters were also being sold to the Ecuadorian government but the project has been now grounded. "Since 2002, 14 military and 2 civil Dhruv helicopters have been involved in accidents, out of which 11 occurred in India and 5 abroad. Out of 16 accidents, 12 occurred due to human error and environment factors and the remaining 4 due to technical reasons," Singh said. Regarding the reasons behind cancellation of contract between Ecuador and Defence PSU HAL, Singh said, "As per notice issued by the Ecuador government, non- compliance of the seller of some of the obligations contracted by virtue of the present contract and value of the fines exceeding the amount of guarantee of faithful compliance of the contract have been cited as the reasons.

Since 2002, 16 Dhruv helicopters involved in accidents: Govt

 

[garg_bharat]

As per some cag report the serviceability of dhruv in iaf / is is 45% with more than 40% of parts needed to be replaced in 25% of service life

Don't know whether the problem is user centric or mfg centric

Helicopters have higher wear and tear compared to fixed wings. It is expected that serviceability rate will be lower.

They should continue building the helis.