Give Kashmir to Pakistan

Should India give Kashmir to Pakistan?

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Dark Lord

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How bharat is weak militarily ? Tell me one freaking area of military where we lag behind pak, .
On everything. First we have less nukes than Pak. We don't have any successful indigenous weapons program. Everything is imported.

we are at least 10 times stronger than Pakistan is at the moment
Quantity doesn't equal quality.

Pakistan's entire Navy can just be handled by Kolkata class destroyers
Pak navy isn't alone. China is with them.

Pakistan's entire ground forces can be handled by our fleet of 250 Su30
They have newer JF-17 Thunder and that too in big numbers. Also don't forget paki F16.

entire Pakistan is now under surveillance of our IRNSS Navigation syatem
Navigation system and surveillance are different. Don't forget Pak is part of Chinese beidu program.

Not to mention our Nukes are bigger then Pakistan's nukes
Source?

with much much potent and sophisticated delivery syatems
We still don't have a proper cruise missile. Pak is most successful with cruise missiles. How we are sophisticated. Both countries have similar ballistic missiles.

now have an SSBN
Pak too is building new Submarines with help from China.

ONLY ADVANTAGE WE HAVE OVER PAK IS NUMBER OF TROOPS BUT LIKE I SAID ABOVE QUANTITY DOESN'T EQUAL QUALITY.
 

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On everything. First we have less nukes than Pak. We don't have any successful indigenous weapons program. Everything is imported.


Quantity doesn't equal quality.


Pak navy isn't alone. China is with them.


They have newer JF-17 Thunder and that too in big numbers. Also don't forget paki F16.


Navigation system and surveillance are different. Don't forget Pak is part of Chinese beidu program.


Source?


We still don't have a proper cruise missile. Pak is most successful with cruise missiles. How we are sophisticated. Both countries have similar ballistic missiles.


Pak too is building new Submarines with help from China.

ONLY ADVANTAGE WE HAVE OVER PAK IS NUMBER OF TROOPS BUT LIKE I SAID ABOVE QUANTITY DOESN'T EQUAL QUALITY.
^See this troll's logic?
Its like:-

Everything he is saying sounds correct even though you instinctively know its plain BS. Same case as this troll, and every troll.

So one advice guys:-
 

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Even Tejas is better than junk Fighter 17
As a proud Indian it is hard to accept that Tejas is just a paper plane. A hangar queen. On the other hand JF-17 Thunder is the real deal. Doing its job. Being produced in large numbers that HAL can only dream of.
 

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On everything. First we have less nukes than Pak. We don't have any successful indigenous weapons program. Everything is imported.


Quantity doesn't equal quality.


Pak navy isn't alone. China is with them.


They have newer JF-17 Thunder and that too in big numbers. Also don't forget paki F16.


Navigation system and surveillance are different. Don't forget Pak is part of Chinese beidu program.


Source?


We still don't have a proper cruise missile. Pak is most successful with cruise missiles. How we are sophisticated. Both countries have similar ballistic missiles.


Pak too is building new Submarines with help from China.

ONLY ADVANTAGE WE HAVE OVER PAK IS NUMBER OF TROOPS BUT LIKE I SAID ABOVE QUANTITY DOESN'T EQUAL QUALITY.
Abe katua
First of à All we have many successful INDEGENIOUS programs These are just ten of them
Defending India is a humongous task our Armed Forces do every second. Our Men in Uniform make this possible every second through their efforts and out of the skin hard work. To do it efficiently they need a range of equipment for which a country is not self reliant, it means letting go the hard work of our men go in vain . India realised this late, but nevertheless has made a very impressive beginning. IADN brings you a list of such systems.

10. Dhanush Howitzer
The first 155mm towed howitzer developed and manufactured by India is based on an earlier successful Bofors gun. But this gun has been upgraded with a 45 caliber gun and range extended to 38 kilometers. Capable of firing 3 rounds in 15 seconds and equipped with thermal sights this howitzer gives India a platform to work on better guns while also giving the Army some breathing space while a gun with bigger caliber is developed and it replaces the 105mm Light Field Guns.In trials it came out better by 25 percent than the bofors in parameters like range, accuracy, consistency, low and high angle of fire and shoot-and-scoot ability.



9. NAG ATGM
A third generation Fire and Forget Anti Tank Missile developed by DRDO as a part of IGMDP and produced by BDL , India ,provides India a missile which can destroy enemy tanks from land or air with modern Composite Armours. Based on Infrared Imaging and mmW active radar homing and available in helicopter launched, vehicle launched and shoulder launched varients, this provides an all round solution to Indian Army’s anti tank needs. With a single hit probability of near 77% at a range of 4 kilometers, this missile means our enemies tank will not be able to escape the battlefields unscathed.

For more details on NAG Anti tank missile

8. Piniaka MRBL
Pinaka is a multiple rocket launcher produced in India and developed by DRDO for the Indian Army. The system has a maximum range of 40 km for Mark-I and 65 km for Mark-II and can fire a salvo of 12 HE rockets in 44 seconds, neutralising a target area of 3.9 km2. This Indian system is helping replace Indian Army its older GRAD MBRL system of soviet era. It can fire Fragmentation high explosive, Incendiary, Anti-Tank and Anti-Personnel minelettes and Anti-Tank bomblettes.



7. HAL Dhruv
Developed and Manufactured by HAL, this Multirole Utility helicopter of India also known as Advanced Light Helicopter is in service with Indian Army, Navy, Air force, Coast Guard as well as BSF other than many foreign nations where it has been exported. Powered by two Shakti Turboshafts , this chopper has a range of over 800 kilometers and service ceiling of 20,000 feets. They are serving India from Siachen to Thar in transport to Anti Armour roles and are improving day by day as new technologies and systems are introduced. They have also been used to develop two armed varients capable of firing missiles , rockets and heavy machine guns. These helicopters have proved to be rugged , rough and tough machines which have now proved themselves in various missions and operations.

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6. Akash Missile
Akash , the Medium range surface to air missile developed in India is now paving way for Army and airforce to upgrade its air defence and that too with an Indian option. The missile system can target aircraft up to 30 km away, at altitudes up to 18,000 m.An on-board guidance system coupled with an actuator system makes the missile maneuverable up to 15g loads and a tail chase capability for end game engagement. It can neutralize aerial targets like fighter jets, cruise missiles and air-to-surface missiles as well as ballistic missiles.The heart of this missile is the Indian Rajendra PESA radar. Rajendra is a slewable passive phased array radar used for 3-D target detection, multi target tracking and multiple missile guidance under extreme hostile EW environment.It can track 64 targets in range, azimuth and height and guide eight missiles simultaneously in ripple fire mode towards four targets. Akash can fly at the speed of twice of Sound, means more than 2.5 mach speed.With the use of ramjet engines, Akash can maintain top speed at all altitudes and maneuverable in any altitudes. The entire flight can be controlled by the command control computer and the controller can order the missile self destruct in mid-air if missile was wrongly fired.
For more details on Akash Missile



5. Arjun MBT
Developed by CVRDE and DRDO, Arjun mk1 and its improved varient Mk2 are now being produced for Indian Army. It first proved itself when it outclassed T90 during comparative trails. Armed with a 120 mm Rifled Bore gun it can fire missiles , AFPSDS, HE and HEAT rounds to. Protected by Kanchan Armour and ERA it has survived direct hit be HESH and APFSDS rounds in trials by T72 tank. Powered by a 1400HP engine it can traverse length and breadth of Indian Landscape with very high mobility.

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4. Risat
RISAT (Radar Imaging Satellite) is a series of Indian radar imaging reconnaissance satellites built by ISRO. They provide all-weather surveillance using synthetic aperture radars (SAR). RISAT 1 uses a C band radar while RISAT 2 uses an X band radar. They provide all-weather earth observation and surveillance capabilities to Indian Armed forces. More such satellites are in the pipeline.



3. Tejas


Designed by ADA and manufactured by HAL , Tejas a 4th generation lightweight multirole aircraft will be replacing Mig21s and Mig27s in Indian Air force service. Capable of firing BVR and WVR Air to Air missiles, air to ground missiles and guided and unguided munitions and bombs in addition capability to fire anti ship missiles, Tejas has an all round capability. Equipped with AESA , IRST and EW systems this will pack a punch much above its weight.



2. AGNI 5


The 5,500 Km Missile capable of delivering 1,500 kgs of conventional or nuclear warhead, it ensures India has every inch of its adversary’s territory under the cover of its strategic nuclear deterrence. Guided by Ring laser gyroscope and inertial navigation system, optionally augmented by GPS which helps the missile to attain single digit accuracy despite travelling at mach 24 at the terminal phase. With its unique capability to be transported by road or rail its capability to carry MIRVs guarantee India a second strike capability.

1. Indian Ballistic Missile Defence Shield
It is a two tired ballistic missile defence system consisting of two missile namely PAD and AAD developed and tested by India.
The Prithvi Air Defence (PAD) is an anti-ballistic missile developed to intercept incoming ballistic missiles outside the atmosphere (exo-atmospheric). Based on the Prithvi missile, PAD is a two-stage missile with a maximum interception altitude of 80 km (50 mi).Advanced Air Defence (AAD) is an anti-ballistic missile designed to intercept incoming ballistic missiles in the endo-atmosphere at an altitude of 30 km (19 mi). There is a third missile named PDV in development which will intercept targets at 150 km altitude. This missile system has an heart named Swordfish. These missile systems coupled with the Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar gives India a capability which only 3 other nations have.Swordfish is an Indian active electronically scanned array (AESA) long-range tracking radar specifically developed to counter ballistic missile threat. It has a range of over 1000 km for an object as small as a cricket ball.





Then we also have INS ARIHANT
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tharun

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On everything. First we have less nukes than Pak. We don't have any successful indigenous weapons program. Everything is imported.
First thing none will tell truth about their nuclear arsenal..we have enough fissile material for more than 500.
Most of pakis systems are chinese and mostly gifted.Where did you get that intellect that we don't have successful indigenous programs.

Quantity doesn't equal quality.
Yes..you father should have delivered quality sperm.

Pak navy isn't alone. China is with them.
China will never come to war..they know that one's they come everyone will jump in the game.
Like india may face two front war,but china faces multiple front war.

They have newer JF-17 Thunder and that too in big numbers. Also don't forget paki F16.
How many big numbers...?just 97.
Most of the f-16 fleet is grounded because of spares.Forget to mention.we had sukhoi's,mig's.

Don't forget Pak is part of Chinese beidu program.
Pak is never part of china's beidu program,they are just using it.

We still don't have a proper cruise missile. Pak is most successful with cruise missiles. How we are sophisticated. Both countries have similar ballistic missiles.
They cruise missile is copied from tomahack missile and got help from chinese.

Pak too is building new Submarines with help from China.
They are not building,just buying and assembling them.

ONLY ADVANTAGE WE HAVE OVER PAK IS NUMBER OF TROOPS BUT LIKE I SAID ABOVE QUANTITY DOESN'T EQUAL QUALITY.
Like i said you father should have delivered quality sperm...My advice is don't marry your sister.Other wise the future generation in this forum will have to tackle another inbred asshole..
 

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On everything. First we have less nukes than Pak. We don't have any successful indigenous weapons program. Everything is imported.
Source ?? How can you say that ? For all we know, no body can say how many nukes we have, but for sure a lot more than 110 nukes, courtesy of our secret nuclear city, go figure out yourselves.
What about the Kolkata Class destroyers, IAC - 1, Delhi class destroyers, arihant class nuclear sub, HAL Dhruv, HAL Rudra, HAL LCA, HaL LCH and still counting, all are better then anything imported by Pak.
Quantity doesn't equal quality.
True that, but Pakistan lags behind in both departments quantity as well as quality. LOL.
Pak navy isn't alone. China is with them.
That is your biggest mistake to take china for granted, they won't interfere to the levels of direct military confrontation with India. They might just help you out with AID packages and condemn India, but its not in their National Interest to confront India merely for the sake of Pakistan getting destroyed, because no country would. And China is still not USA.
They have newer JF-17 Thunder and that too in big numbers. Also don't forget paki F16.
If you'd search the internet, you'll find that Pakistan's F16s are very old and the newer ones are in negligible numbers, our Brahmos and Air Defense systems are enough for them. JF17 are as I said junk, a lot of them have already crashed LOL and not to mention about its old smokey engines.
Navigation system and surveillance are different. Don't forget Pak is part of Chinese beidu program.
Do you really think that after spending so much for our IRNSS and the entire Indian Satellite system that happens to be second biggest of Asia, we won't have mere surveillance systems up there ? And for the record, IRNSS can not just Navigate but give real time feeds too.
Don't you know that Pakistan has been making tactical nukes for a long time ? Did you forget that India invests more on larger Strategic Nukes ?? And do you really think that we'd need more than 20-30 strategic nukes out of our alleged 110 odd nukes in order to destroy Pakistan, while most of your nukes are smaller tactical nukes that are just limited to battlefield level destruction.
We still don't have a proper cruise missile. Pak is most successful with cruise missiles. How we are sophisticated. Both countries have similar ballistic missiles.
We have hypersonic shaurya hybrid missile, try to bring it down. We have supersonic brahmos, and now coming with an extended range, go pray.
Pak too is building new Submarines with help from China.
Inappropriate, we are also making small Diesel electric subs in our own shipyards plus we already have now two nuclear subs in water one of them made with indeginous tech. And three more under construction.
ONLY ADVANTAGE WE HAVE OVER PAK IS NUMBER OF TROOPS BUT LIKE I SAID ABOVE QUANTITY DOESN'T EQUAL QUALITY.
We also have the advantage of larger number of troops who are better trained far better equiped with far more sophisticated battlefield surveillance technology and modern equipments like battlefield level radars, longs range as well as close range Air defence systems as well as a whole lot larger mechanised infantry. Conclusion We have quality as well as quantity over Pakistan, I have talked on facts, now your a$$ has officially been wooped.
 

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That's why chinese gave porkis JF-17. It crashes without the pilots having to take a crash course.
Yes its a very effective Kamikaze platform, one thing the pakis jihadi military knows is how to do suicide bombing, keeping that in mind, I guess JF 17 is a very effective "crasher" "fidayeen" aircraft.LOL
 

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Hey darklord how about creating a thread named "why porki aurat like hindu land"?
I have one theory, it's because Hindus have huge uncut land while porki pigs have small dry sukhela land, maybe becuase your ancestors were desert tribal people and just like their land you also have dehydrated suka napla land.
 
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