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[power_monger]

Great datapoints there @ersakhtivel



These people should be named and shamed even after retirements.

Also this great report being cross posted here:
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...cess-navy-places-order-for-drdos-altas.68284/

For @Bhadra bhai

I expected more comments from people on that thread who kept cribbing about Sonars not being delivered even after XX years of develpment.

And i have to appreciate Indian Navy for constantly supporting DRDO.What Navy has achieved with DRDO should be a eye opener for IA and IAF.

 

[Khagesh]

@power_monger
I would not say the delays can be overlooked. But then these things happen when you are trying to run when you don't even have the background to suggest a steady gait.

The Nagan they were trying was a two tailed tow body array. And we need this kind of stuff as is evident from the daring displayed by PNS Ghazi near Vishakapatnam. On the west coast the sea is shallow to a very long distance and these TAS are a must have.

http://www.sea-seek.com/ebook/Arabian_Sea.pdf

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/43/1643-004-AA7DD165.jpg

 

[ersakthivel]

Will try from a different browser, some firewall issue at my end it seems.

As per @sob saar HAL guys haven't been communicated that they are the anointed ones. I will let @sob saar judge how much more info to reveal publicly or not.

http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-army-ground-gripen-jets-second-crash-landing-170951312.html

Hungary has just 14 gripens , two crashed all in routine operation., fleet grounded.
Contrast this with the unmatched safety record of 3000 tejas take offs and landings even in testing phase.

 

[ersakthivel]

When one goes through the list of the projects, it is also mind boggling to realise how most of the projects are at least 20 -30 years old - Kanchan Armour, APDSFS, Fuzes, Explosives, Rockets.. night sights etc etc. Never ever to reach completion and production stage.

Imagine how DRDO have drawn money in the name of night sights over last 30 years. Not only that - DRDO blocked Forces acquiring night sights because they were about to develop that ...

Overall loss _ Forces efficiency and national defence. But who cares...

http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-army-ground-gripen-jets-second-crash-landing-170951312.html

Hungary has just 14 gripens , two crashed on routine flights and Hungary has groundedded its whole gripen fleet

not a single DDM guy who drools liters of saliva over foreign maal will ever report it.

Contrast it with close to 3000 safe take offs and landings of tejas from the much hated HAl and DRDO.

 

[ezsasa]

http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-army-ground-gripen-jets-second-crash-landing-170951312.html

Hungary has just 14 gripens , two crashed on routine flights and Hungary has groundedded its whole gripen fleet

not a single DDM guy who drools liters of saliva over foreign maal will ever report it.

Contrast it with close to 3000 safe take offs and landings of tejas from the much hated HAl and DRDO.

The answer to this question is that HAL and DRDO cannot afford to give kickbacks while SAAB can.

 

[Bhadra]

http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-army-ground-gripen-jets-second-crash-landing-170951312.html

Hungary has just 14 gripens , two crashed on routine flights and Hungary has groundedded its whole gripen fleet

not a single DDM guy who drools liters of saliva over foreign maal will ever report it.

Contrast it with close to 3000 safe take offs and landings of tejas from the much hated HAl and DRDO.

Bhadra quoted out of context and just for the hack of it... Bhadra is the love bird ...

Gripen is operational. Is Tejas operational ?:bs:

So far as foreign mal is concerned, MoD decides what to import and DRDO decide what they can assemble after import ... both are foreign mal.. and both decide based on the sizes of their pockets..

Please do not bring the forces into it ... they only want good mal.. rather than mal which fills their pockets...

I and many others are sick of your sustained defamation to cover up your theft.... pay attention to research rather than Re - search your pocket for its emptiness...

 

[Khagesh]

@ersakthivel et al.

I think you people have to give some slack to the politicos. After all it is there job to lie and lie and then lie some more.

Besides you can never simply believe that HAL is not itself blackmailing the system like the IAF. Its just that there are gears inside gears inside gears and whoever takes up the task of managing the show has to feign love and feign anger at both friends and enemies. So from outside it will not be very clear, what the strategy is. But with the establishment, as it is, I think we can rest assured, has a method even in its apparent madness.

See ours is volunteer force. Most people probably 99% who enlist are just commoners who retire as commoners. Then there are 0.9% in the forces who are simply too driven. So like a Riaz Khokhar they will take dead-end-career-choices but they will in reality serve the country far more than a long long line of his own Chiefs. Even in my relations I have had both the 99% kind and the 0.9% kind. Both these kinds have a working relationship going on.

Then there is another kind of say 0.1% also in the game. These represent a seriously big corruptible element, given our size. These corruptible elements get identified probably the time they are at something like Lt. Col. or equivalent level and have their way greased into the supplies and distribution, testing etc writing concocted cost analysis and test reports for their equally corrupt superiors. The thoroughly corrupted seniors, who had identified these 0.1% move onto advisory roles in DPSUs and into so called think tanks, that are basically insider track that the foreigners want to 'influence' decisions. These corruptible elements+corrupted elements and the politicos who have enabled this system have a very deep interlinkage. These people are not going to give up that easily. They have serious money power at disposal. They also have a lot of vital info also at their tips. And unlike the Riaz Khokhars of the world, who basically die alone, they are also very keen on 'networking'.

Regards the Gripen proposal, I am betting that Parrikar is trying a few things and in all likelihood he will succeed.

Due to early education and childhood patriotism we all consider armed forces as a single unit. Mostly that is true. That is why we need the kind of ops that were done recently against NSCN-K. But then the 0.1% constitute a reality also. They too cannot be ignored. And we fanboys of Indian defence should also be aware of the threat these elements represent, always. These 0.1% represent the dregs, the careerists, the subverted, the converted, the giver upers, and they must be tracked at all times.

Note for example that Matheswaran guy. A few months back he was educating us about how LCA is inadequate. Now that Politicos have made the decision that Private industry with foreign collaboration is ok for later additions of LCA. Effect this guy declares - nobody can do it without HAL. Bhaisahab ko naukri ki fikr ho gayi.

Then there was another guy from the IAF who ranted on and on about LCA, in formal meetings in the early 80s even when his bosses in IAF had decided that LCA it was. Still when this guy got into some accident he was very keen on injecting himself into the LCA program. Hud hai yaar. And even for that he wanted others to recommend him. WTH. Those 'others' simply wrote a sweet worded letter appreciating the gesture - and you know what that means .

Then there was another guy from IAF who while 'appearing' to be supportive of LCA (without committing money he was supportive -perhaps he thought Indians are @#%&*) was simultaneously very critical of any proposal to export LCA. LCA can be rapidly changed and even with the existing kaveri it has 75% of the envelop available to it and at the costs LCA is available such a plane will be a great boon for poorer nations. Something like this is going to be a killer app for countries like Vietnam, Latin America, central Asia and Africa who cannot afford an all Sukhoi 30 air force and are simply too poor to afford western maal.

Look ultimately the politicos were right on the Sukhoi 30MKI deal. That time PVNR was the politico incharge who got the country on the right track. Even the lame duck Anthony had a few tricks to keep these dog and pony show cabal busy Had it been for the IAF we would have flown a lame ass aircrafts like the Mirage2000 only.

 

[Khagesh]

http://news.yahoo.com/hungary-army-ground-gripen-jets-second-crash-landing-170951312.html

Hungary has just 14 gripens , two crashed all in routine operation., fleet grounded.
Contrast this with the unmatched safety record of 3000 tejas take offs and landings even in testing phase.

Had LCA crashed they would have nixed it like they did in earlier instances. I am sure the weight penalty is mainly on account of overdesigning to the safety margins, to avoid giving any masala to the LCA baiters. Any crash can easily be turned into a major embarrassment for the designers.

And I hope it is followed in later cases also.

Saab and others can live with a few crashes. They have a committed buyer. We cannot afford to rely on IAF for the success of LCA. Remember the Three-Legged-Cheetah comment. That came from an IAF guy. You can well guess why the comment was given out.

These are the real men flying LCA. Not the Chair Marshals.

 

[ersakthivel]

Bhadra quoted out of context and just for the hack of it... Bhadra is the love bird ...

Gripen is operational. Is Tejas operational ?:bs:

So far as foreign mal is concerned, MoD decides what to import and DRDO decide what they can assemble after import ... both are foreign mal.. and both decide based on the sizes of their pockets..

Please do not bring the forces into it ... they only want good mal.. rather than mal which fills their pockets...

I and many others are sick of your sustained defamation to cover up your theft.... pay attention to research rather than Re - search your pocket for its emptiness...

Only things that are worth looking at in your replies are the fun smilies.

You can buy foreign mal for eons but they will not let you replace a single subsystem with local ones unless a SU-30 MKI like MOU is drawn up, which will never happen with western hardware.

And you will be frozen as a sucking client forever. A joke to be called regional power!!!

But the armor and gun barrel tech of Arjun were ported to T-90 when the Russians declined to give TOT with the aim of slowing local production here and force IA to buy directly buy from Russia. So the gun barrel tech and armor of T-90s in IA gleaned out from Arjun program free of cost,.Only DPSUs will allow that . Any private entity will not allow it.

And still the T-90 imported by our beloved armed forces with crooked trials is non functional for prolonger operations in desert, for which the IA is unashamedly asking DRDO to fix AC!!!! Why because russsians and all other foreign MNCs have declined to fit it. It still has no AC and its electronics will pack up in desert heat.

but the much criticized Arjun is a functional tank in desert. Our beloved IA is sabotaging the whole project by not ordering 500 arjun mk1s at one go , Because IA knows if they do the logistics will stablize and batch improvement will take place and there will be no scope for importing another MBT from russia however faulty , and unsuitable for our desert terrain.

thats why they have ordered just 124 Arjun MBTs and given a long list of 80 changes for arjun mk2. But Sweedish airforce did not dangle a carrot on a stick atttached to SAAB's head and run till gripen NG is reached, gripen As were made and bought them in hundreds in each versions A, B, C, D and now NG.

And despite seeing the worth of arjun mk2 IA is only ordering the same magic number of just 124. Why because if a 500 plus guaranteed order is given then lot of subsystems will be taken up for localization including engines and which will lead to stabilization of production and further lowering of cost eliminating scope for further MBT imports.

If at all IAF was serious about its falling fleet number it need not have run the ten year long cicus called MMRCA, the Su-30 MKI production was stabilizing fast, they could have asked HAL to set up additional Su-30 MKI production line and asked the GOI to buy any available ASEA radar on the market and make it truly multirole. this would have eliminated the need for 8 billion worth just 38 rafales .

Our MMRCA backing chairmarshals in beloved IAf went on pretending there is no plan B for MMRCA, till manohar parrikar flatly announced that ASEA equipped super sukhoi upgraded Su-30 MKI will be the plan B and stopped the gravy train called MMRCA.

Manohar Parrikar took care to order 36 rafales immediately to arrest depleting fleet strength of IAF and provided a plan B for monumental MMRCA forex waste by giving them Plan B.

Many people said the same thing on many forums , we dont need MMRCA in 200 numbers and additional su-30 fighters with upgrades and tejas will do the job. Every one toeing this line was called a clown who doesn't understand airwar. But finally when manohar Parrikar said that "savings " from 126 MMRCA fighters will be better utilzed in adding more tejas everybody was quite.

bulk of our armed forces men sweat it out in the borders under most punishing conditions and are ready to put their life on line trusting whatever equippment GOI gives them.But it is the higher decision making bodies of central govts , both in armed forces and MOD ,that play all these games of there is no substitute for imports and get the import gravy train running, by slyly inculcating in every indian mind that we are racially inferior to the west and even chinese when it comes to defence production,

In the same way the Oborgs developed for tejas are now going to be implemented on SU 30 MKI.Also it was the much hated HAL which won the IAF contract to fit brahmos on Su-30 MKI beating the russian firm .

Impressed with the avionics fit of Su-30 MKI russian airforce is ordering around 64 sets of mission computers and radar computers to their SU-30 SM fleet.Most of the avionics development effort on Su-30 MI and jaguar Darin upgrade were seeded in tejas program.

ALso the first 500 flights of tejas carried over five years which validated control laws for fly by wire tech-Relaxed Static Stability fighters will form a common database to all ou future RSS fly by wire efforts, even SAAB has to outsource this tech to US firm after a few prototypes crashed in their Gripen test flight program.

Also the composite tech developed for tejas is now being used on SU-30 MKI fuselage parts leading to significant weight savings and RCS reductions.

So even when they drag on ,much hated indigenous programs leave a trail of tech that will enrich all equipments of indian armed forces, For people grating on INSAS being faulty , can never answer why all the contenders failed in indian multi cal rifle trials.

4 of the 5 MMRCA multi billion dollar birds failed the Leh high altitude trials which is crucial for IAF, but tejas in mk1 itself has passed them with ease.

Clnging on to irrlevant and old CAG reports along with dubious opinions of DDM "eggspurts" and annonymous "defence forces officials " to beat the drum that local efforts are waste of money is far from reality.


However I love those smilies, Please add a lot when you reply.

 

[Khagesh]

Ok your wishes have been answered.

http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2015/06/yourtake-wishlist-for-drdo-chief-win.html

enjoy giving phokat ki advise. I will be doing it.

But seriously this may not actually be taken seriously by DRDO but they will perhaps get some Strategic inputs from the crowd-sourcing. So I honestly think you guys should go give some phokat ki advise .

 

[cobra commando]

PARIS: HAL selects Honeywell engine for Indian trainer prototype

Hindustan Aeronautics' (HAL) HTT-40 trainer prototype will be powered by the Honeywell TPE331-12B turboprop engine, it has been announced in Paris. The Indian defence ministry intends to by 68 of the locally- developed trainer to satisfy a portion of its 180-aircraft requirement to replace the outdated HAL HPT-32 Deepak. The remainder of the need will be satisfied with the Swiss Pilatus PC-7 Mk II. Once developed and delivered, the aircraft will be used for basic pilot training at the Indian air force academy. Selection of the Honeywell propulsion unit is a step forward for HAL’s HTT-40 programme. “Our TPE331-12B is one of the most widely used and capable turboprop engines in service today,” says Honeywell Aerospace India president Arijit Ghosh. “With our engine at its core, HAL's new HTT-40 will offer pilots rapid acceleration, low fuel consumption, improved reliability and the ability to train for a wide range of missions.” The company has built upwards of 13,000 TPE331 engines for both military and civil platforms.

PARIS: HAL selects Honeywell engine for Indian trainer prototype

 

[cobra commando]

Govt clears transfer of land for defence research centre

New Delhi: The government on Wednesday approved transfer of a portion of land and building of erstwhile National Instruments by Jadavpur University (West Bengal) to the DRDO for setting up a defence research centre. The transfer of a portion of land and building will be on long-term lease to the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO), an official release said. The land will be transferred for establishment of a defence research centre namely the Jagadish Chandra Bose Centre for Advanced Technology (JCBCAT), it said. The decision was taken at the Cabinet meeting headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi here. The decision "will be beneficial as Research and Development efforts are expected to result in reduction in import dependence in the strategic sector," the release said. As National Instruments Ltd, a PSU, became sick its assets, liabilities and manpower were transferred to Jadavpur University in January 2009 under the Board for Industrial and Financial Reconstruction (BIFR) sanctioned revival scheme (SRS). As per the scheme, the land of National Instruments transferred to Jadavpur University will be used for research, project works, pilot plant study and the land will not be alienated, sold, leased, transferred without approval of the government.

Govt clears transfer of land for defence research centre

 

[cobra commando]

Navy, DRDO, SAIL in tie-up for producing steel for submarines

 

[cobra commando]

VRDE Developing BMP-2 Sarath Upgrade

 

[Shaitan]

NEW DELHI: The Indian Army today said there is a plan to incorporate DRDO as a technological partner in the proposed Future Ready Combat Vehicle (FRCV) project, which had raised eyebrows among officials of the premier defence research agency of the country.

Stating that the army plans to adopt a novel approach for designing and developing its future category of battle tanks, sources said that a recent tender issued by the Directorate General of Mechanised Forces (DGMF) aims to identify and seek willingness of established tank designers, design bureaus and agencies to participate in a design competition.

"The FRCV is planned to be developed on a modular concept so as to support the subsequent development of at least 10 different variants, including light tanks, trawls, etc.," the army sources said.

The development of FRCV, aimed at replacing the T-72 fleet of tanks, is proposed to be Service HQ driven and managed by a dedicated FRCV Project Management Team (F-PMT), they added.

"Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is planned to be incorporated in the project as technological partner, for expert inputs in the FRCV development," it said weeks after senior officials of the agency had expressed surprise at the army's move to invite proposals as it was already working on technology for a futuristic tank -- the Future Main Battle Tank (FMBT).

The proposed approach will involve three stages -- Design Phase, Prototype Development Phase and Production Phase, the sources said.

In the design phase, "reputed" tank designers will be asked to design a futuristic battle tank as part of a design competition. The FRCV will be a combat vehicle platform which will form the base for the development of a 'Family of Vehicles'.

The design competition will be conducted under the aegis of the F-PMT by a Design Selection Committee, consisting of domain experts, representatives from defence agencies and experts from DRDO and academia (including IITs).

In the second phase, the prototype will be developed based on the selected design. The user, the Design Agency and DRDO, will remain closely associated with the entire prototype development phase.

Bulk production will be undertaken in India by a nominated Indian Production Agency (PA), which may well be one of the Development Agencies (DAs).

The primary condition for the competition says that the winning design(s) will become the property of the Indian government and the winning designer will be required to continue to work on the project till the Production Stage.

Read more at:
DRDO to be part of Future Ready Combat Vehicle project: Army - The Economic Times

 

[Zebra]

http://idrw.org/let-scientists-head-hal-like-institutions/#more-71218
‘Let scientists head HAL-like institutions’

HAL is a company.
And someone please educate these idiots that in today's world, companies need a CEO as the head.

 

[cobra commando]

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[cobra commando]

DRDO's Directed Energy Weapon (DEW) Program & LASTEC's Aditya Project

 

[charlie]

DRDO working on ayurvedic medicine

 

[cobra commando]

J. Manjula becomes DRDO's first woman Director General

J. Manjula has been named DRDO's first woman Director General and has taken charge of the Electronics & Communication Systems cluster, an official announcement said on Wednesday. Before her elevation, Ms. Manjula, who is a DRDO Outstanding Scientist, was Director of the Defence Avionics Research Establishment, Bengaluru, since July 2014. She took charge from K.D. Nayak, Distinguished Scientist & Director General, who held the additional charge of the six ECS laboratories. The DGs of seven clusters form the defence R&D establishment's second rung and report to its Secretary-Director General. An alumna of Osmania University and a practising electronics and communications engineer, Ms. Manjula joined DRDO in 1987 after a brief stint in the Electronics Corporation of India Ltd. At the Defence Electronics Research Laboratory, Hyderabad, she worked in the area of integrated electronic warfare and is credited with developing fast signal acquisition receivers, high power RF systems, responsive jammers and controller software for various systems used by the military and the paramilitary. Her specialisation includes configuration of communication and radar ESM and ECM systems. Ms. Manjula has been conferred the DRDO award for performance excellence, the Scientist of the Year award for 2011 and the India Today Woman Summit award for 2014.
J. Manjula becomes DRDO's first woman Director General