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But, is there anything that can be done?You spoke for me & maybe many others!
I strongly oppose this psychology & the cynicism growing everyday on this forum.
But, is there anything that can be done?You spoke for me & maybe many others!
I strongly oppose this psychology & the cynicism growing everyday on this forum.
The question that whether you are convinced that there is something like Hindu terrorism in the country akin to the ideologies on which some Muslims become terrorists. Since you did not answered that questions I inferred that you are convinced by the propaganda of the Congress that terrorism by Hindus (that is home grown terror) is a graver threat than terror emanating from across the border.Which question?
If the congress is stooping low, is the the fault of the Muslims?
Is congress surviving only on Muslim vote in the country?
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Secondly you passionately argued about the Hindutva card of BJP - I say the raison d etre of that Hindutva card was the minority appeasement of the Congress which started with the ignominious Shah Bano case
There is quite a scope.But, is there anything that can be done?
Well said mate!There is quite a scope.
But even if people just read twice Yusuf's post I quoted, it'll help to keep the discussions healthy. Rest assured, everyone is entitled to their own views.
He is my hero too. I am an egoist, insecure pr!ck.And I still can't figure out how can Digvijay be anyone's hero?
Because there was a perception Muslims were appeased when a supreme court verdict (the final voice of law in the land) was being over ruled (subverted) at the behest of the Muslim clerics and it wasn't such a forward looking law either. As I said that was the perception. Secondly the oft overlooked case of the treatment of Pandits by the Kashmiris also triggered emotions. You may say that they were Kashmiris backed by Pakistanis but it was the Muslim identity that shone there first, rightly or wrongly.I seriously wonder why a case like that of Shah Bano which did not effect Hindus at all actually trigger "Hindutva".
No Yusuf...we see that as a kind of Welfare state. Giving cash may be bribe but with increasing urbanization (TN being the most urbanized state in India) the people themselves are in need of those amenities and the govt providing them is a welcome move.The revenues are generated through other means and there is no over arching fiscal burden due to those schemes. Also other essential services like infra are not affected much due to fund allocation here and so we don't mind. Infact the Free TV scheme was welcomed by all in the state and the scheme was a huge success that reached even the bottom most in the ladder.As for Tamil Nadu, they have novel ways to bribe. Free TVs, Free Sewing Machines. May be next will be washing machines and after that Nano cars.
What's the brand of the TV?No Yusuf...we see that as a kind of Welfare state. Giving cash may be bribe but with increasing urbanization (TN being the most urbanized state in India) the people themselves are in need of those amenities and the govt providing them is a welcome move.The revenues are generated through other means and there is no over arching fiscal burden due to those schemes. Also other essential services like infra are not affected much due to fund allocation here and so we don't mind. Infact the Free TV scheme was welcomed by all in the state and the scheme was a huge success that reached even the bottom most in the ladder.
Some Korean brand. But its damn reliable and most of them are happy with the perfomance.What's the brand of the TV?
That did not happen in this elections as the Election Commissioner was exceptionally strict in this regard and even the paramilitary used were from the North.TN people took handsome amount of money from Karunanidhi but voted for Amma.
The Election Commission has enormous powers at its disposal which it used to the fullest to the welcome of all in Tamil Nadu.DMK in power wanted a strict election comissioner for the elections this is news to me
nope , that can turn people lazy.Because there was a perception Muslims were appeased when a supreme court verdict (the final voice of law in the land) was being over ruled (subverted) at the behest of the Muslim clerics and it wasn't such a forward looking law either. As I said that was the perception. Secondly the oft overlooked case of the treatment of Pandits by the Kashmiris also triggered emotions. You may say that they were Kashmiris backed by Pakistanis but it was the Muslim identity that shone there first, rightly or wrongly.
The period of '84 - '91 was the worst period in the history of post-independence India and if I can invent a time machine those would be the years I would set back first.
No Yusuf...we see that as a kind of Welfare state. Giving cash may be bribe but with increasing urbanization (TN being the most urbanized state in India) the people themselves are in need of those amenities and the govt providing them is a welcome move.The revenues are generated through other means and there is no over arching fiscal burden due to those schemes. Also other essential services like infra are not affected much due to fund allocation here and so we don't mind. Infact the Free TV scheme was welcomed by all in the state and the scheme was a huge success that reached even the bottom most in the ladder.
yusuf, every thing in india is a potential, this or that. the first thing to do in events of such a nature is to *focus* and then, to *focus more and more*. one can't for political or idealogical reasons chase after every dog on the street which barks. that is what the so called indian anti-terror mechanism has been reduced to, thanks to this hindu terror joke.Archer, you and I are going in circles. I have no doubts about where terror is coming from. That part is well understood and accepted.
I said if there is any other unit, that too should be investigated and nipped in the bud.
You say that's diversionary and the police is overstretched and barely capable of doing it's job. So right now we will leave this small group alone and concentrate only on the bigger one and wait till this small group becomes a monster and has blown out of proportion.
For Gods sake we need to fight terror, major/minor whatever. Look at the state of Pakistan. It creates groups for doing something and now they are bombing their own place day in day out.
Again we know what's happening around us, and the fight is also on against it. But surely you don't want to let go of any other potential terrorist organization.
yusuf please dont be in denial about the scale of the problem. right now the terror from im and simi is 99.999% of the problem, the rest is barely hindu terror, even if that. all these platitudes are fine, but hindu terror didnt exist in an organized fashion till the simi attacks got out of hand. what you are saying is feel good stuff but will not detract from the reality that if the simi and im keep attacking hindus based on riots where even muslims killed hindus and vice versa, then even hindus will pick up arms.
understand this, the congress has a very cynical versted interest in making sure hindu terror rises, by doing nothing against simi and im so that hindus start attacking muslims. i am already seeing muslim leaders, instead of introspecting about simi and im as they had started doing, now preach about rss and mossad and hindu terror. seriously, what are they doing? dont they realize the congress is doing for a political game, and when push comes to shove and if hindu terror actuaally becomes a serious reality, they will be hurt?
the muslim community seems to be fairly blinkered to be honest. they think that any abuse against hindus is legitimate and by saying oh, we only abuse rss/bjp we are ok, we are not abusing hindus. on any muslim website now, or even amongst otherwise sane people i see abuse against brahmins, upper castes and all sorts of rubbish about hinduism being bad versus islam and how upper castes oppress others and bjp/rss is like this, and then the statement but we are not against hindus. what nonsense is this?
what business does any indian muslim have to attack hindu community groupings and then say "hey its ok". any muslim website on the net, and they are as communal as anything, and they have the gall to call bjp/rss names. i am shocked because, by these standards, bjp/rss are very tame. indian muslim community seems to think it can abuse any other religion but its ok and is just being secular. i wonder, are all these internet sites, of fanatics but they are of national papers, of otherwise educated muslims.
when will the muslim community realize that abuse of this sort is irritating many not just rss/bjp voters. when will they understand that just blaming hindus for attacks by simi/im is not done and they should introspect. another thing about riots. in riots both communities kill each other. in gujarat too, that happened. why is it that hindus have to bear some crux of the stupidity by both sides. all i am saying is this terror is by all sides stuff is very illogical. the congress may sell that line for some time, but then beware of that party and its antics. in 1984, this is how they played sikhs vs hindus by supporting bhindranwale and then later, the anti-sikh riots where they incited hindus to attack sikhs.
the worst thing for the indian muslim community will be to fall into this game. what happened in gujarat, to be honest, was not modi or anyone person. it happened because average gujarati hindus and muslims decided to attack each other. relations were bad because in preceding congress govts, minority criminal elements were deliberately propped up and polarization increased. add the historical issues in the state and it added to the tinderbox.
and that same thing will happen again because these ds types incite one community against the other, and then after setting the stage will watch the violence and do nothing. and common hindus and muslims will pay the prize as nation descends into rioting. the indian muslim community has to show a middle finger to this victimhood business, stop blaming rss/bjp, stop making vitriolic comments on hindu communities and clean up its own populace. if it does that, no vigilante group will arise and worsen the situation.
This is about the only thing that you make sense in your comment. Other than that, your comment simply shows intense levels of escapism and nothing but direct hate for Hindu nationalists who as you yourself admit have been in response to Muslim obsession with maintaining their "we're different" status.As for the Muslims in India - seems to me that their leaders are more interested in maintaining their "minority" rights than in actually integrating the Muslim masses with the rest of the country. They would rather create Jihadists than change the ills in the community.
I really admire that you could read the whole post. I could not go beyond the second sentence.This is about the only thing that you make sense in your comment. Other than that, your comment simply shows intense levels of escapism and nothing but direct hate for Hindu nationalists who as you yourself admit have been in response to Muslim obsession with maintaining their "we're different" status.