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Sabic mulls collaboration with value chain partners


The Sabic's logo. [Photo/VCG]
Saudi Arabian petrochemicals company Sabic is committed to further collaborating with upstream and downstream value chain partners to unlock huge opportunities in China, thereby driving the innovative development and structural transformation of the petrochemicals industry in the country, its top executive said.
"China, as one of our priority markets that contributes close to 20 percent share of Sabic's total revenue, stands at the forefront of our preferred investment destinations," said Sabic CEO Abdulrahman Al-Fageeh.
"With a double-digit year-on-year growth in volume here that accounts for more than half of total volume in Asia, Sabic will continue to seize the opportunities in China as a 'local player' with a strong local strategy and thrive to become the preferred world leader in chemicals," he said.
"As the country continues to pursue high-quality development, we are glad to see that China has been steering the growth path to high-quality development and ranking sustainability and innovation high on its agenda as primary drivers of growth. This additionally sets the tone for the development of the petrochemical industry, featuring a reasonable structural layout that is green, safe, and low-carbon and offering abundant opportunities for industry leaders such as Sabic."
China, a leading market for chemicals which accounts for more than 40 percent of global petrochemical demand, is projected to contribute 29 percent, the largest share, to global petrochemical capacity additions by 2030, according to data and analytics company GlobalData.
On a path to high-quality development, this vast market, robust infrastructure and preferential policies are bound to give rise to emerging opportunities in Sabic's focus industries, such as 5G communication, electric vehicles, photovoltaic power, chemical and mechanical recycling, he said.
Though it faces some serious global issues such as climate change, Al-Fageeh said he believes operating sustainably is the only path to future growth for the petrochemical industry.
"The intrinsic requirement of high-quality industrial and economic development in China deeply resonates with Sabic, which is why we position innovation as the driving force of everything we do," he said.
"We will also keep exploring new investment opportunities in China in connection with our global network and our partners, and manifesting a shared future for the chemicals industry in China and beyond."
The company kicked off construction of the Sabic Fujian Petrochemical Complex this year, an ethylene project located in East China's Fujian province, one of the seven national petrochemical hubs in China.
The high-end chemical products it will supply are expected to support a wide range of applications that drive economic growth.
The complex is another centerpiece of Sabic's growing investment footprint in China, demonstrating the petrochemical giant's commitment to further expand its presence in the country's petrochemical sector, said Luo Zuoxian, head of intelligence and research at the Sinopec Economics and Development Research Institute.
The complex is by far the largest one-off foreign investment in Fujian and a major cooperation project between companies in China and Saudi Arabia, Luo said, adding that the mutually beneficial collaboration sets an exemplary precedent for future partnerships between China and petroleum-exporting countries.
Al-Fageeh said the company remains committed to making efforts to advance wider and deeper collaboration in multiple areas, looking for more opportunities in the petrochemical sector in China, and achieving joint growth by fully utilizing respective advantages.
Although the global economy has faced multiple challenges in recent years, the company still sees reasonable growth in China, the world's second-largest economy, and potential for continuous expansion, he said.
"The advancement of high-level opening-up and the further intensification of efforts to attract foreign investment have created a more appealing business environment in China for multinational companies like Sabic," he said.
"With the restrictions on foreign investment access in the manufacturing sector lifted completely, for example, it is more convenient for us to nurture cooperation, foster innovation and achieve mutually beneficial development."
 

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Many things sound easy but are difficult to do

Exaggerated news for TRP. Bengaluru has water issues this year but only in minority of areas - mostly low income neighborhoods. None of the IT parks or neighborhoods are affected. The opinion piece in Bloomberg is written by a climate change hack.
 

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China is advancing across the board in semicon, from fabrication to etching to lithography -- it will be the first country to host the entire supply and process chain in country :)


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Big earthquake hit Taiwan :( 7.5.

Taipei light to moderate damage but Hualien City and County on east coast was hit bad. Offshore epicenter.
 

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Many things sound easy but are difficult to do

China has not done anything

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Not Chinese inventor

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Mexico has wind power too nothing special China only has propaganda

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Mexican wind turbine.

Here the question is prices, since China uses subsides and dumping, thus the USA will protect its industry
 
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Lol. She is a cry-baby. China must stop building out economy of scale so that things stay expensive and her American companies can compete. :D

China will make everything that the West thought that only they can afford affordable for everyone.

It started with cellphones and computers. China's economy of scale made them commodities that the Global South can afford. The same will now go for chips, cars, planes, ships and spacecraft :)
Solar panels made in America are rapidly increasing in popularity. In addition to the United State’s growing ability to manufacture the components of solar panels, policy incentives, such as those that result in financial benefit for solar customers and tariffs on imported solar panels, have contributed to the rise in companies manufacturing their solar panels in America and consumers seeking them.

https://www.forbes.com/home-improvement/solar/american-solar-panel-manufacturers/
Aug 18 (Reuters) - The United States on Friday finalized a decision to impose import duties on solar panel makers who finished their products in Southeast Asian nations to avoid tariffs on Chinese-made goods, according to a senior Commerce Department official.
The decision, which largely mirrors a preliminary finding the agency made in December, was opposed by buyers of solar panels that rely on cheap products made overseas to make their projects competitive.



China broke the photovoltaic market by selling solar panels at cost price. Now, their companies are suffering
LONGi, the world's largest manufacturer, will lay off thousands of people as its stock plummets
Overproduction has led China to cancel projects equivalent to 70 GW of capacit
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That is fine. If the US is incompetent to protect its IP, that is US’ own fault. As long as China has properly manufactured the product with necessary quality control , no security back doors, completely disassociated from the CCP or PLA in any shape or form (this is impossible), and not massively subsidizing production violating WTO rules, then they deserve to be leaders in the green energy. But as usual with CCP propaganda, the green energy leadership is probably built on cutting corners and underperforming products. And will soon fade out like the noise the CCP made about semi conductor leadership, lithium leadership, solar panel leadership, EV leadership etc.
By the way green energy is not a race. Every country will come out with its own version of green energy transition. Unit costs are not the sole determinant. The CCP selling green energy as a race to its peasants is ridiculous and actually stupid.
Sounds very similar to West and their rules based mafia world...do what I say not what I do. I am surprised, you actually deviate from reality but not matter how you coat it, its always a might is right world and always has been. System generally works that way, point of equilibrium goes out of balance for various reasons. Not much original will come out of China as they just copied the model, for is instance no traditional arts from China are seeing any adoption or rejuvenation. India will have teh same fate if we chase more of the same. On the contrary arts are dying in this model replaced with some nonsense that Chinese prop poster gets excited something called asian poop....thinking poop art is pretty..
 

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Sounds very similar to West and their rules based mafia world...do what I say not what I do. I am surprised, you actually deviate from reality but not matter how you coat it, its always a might is right world and always has been. System generally works that way, point of equilibrium goes out of balance for various reasons. Not much original will come out of China as they just copied the model, for is instance no traditional arts from China are seeing any adoption or rejuvenation. India will have teh same fate if we chase more of the same.
Not necesarilly what you need to see is China does not understand; is trying to destroy other companies from other countries will face a reaction if you think China Wants India to advance you are wrong, the world economy only if there is cooperation can be a win to win result however under capitalism monopolies appear.

Communism does not exists, capiatlism generates monopolies however nations need to have products made in their own countries, the americans and europeans will protect their markets, India will do the same and any country will do it

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The above wind turbine is made by a Mexican company, tell me why we need to make rich the CCP at the costs of our workers and profits? why potencia industrial will let chinese under priced solar panels destroy our company?

The USA is right and Europe will follow suit, commerce is impossible without exchange and that means China is a very protectionist nation, so the west is right.

india will do the same. if India follows China`s way you will have a back lash but you can chose South korea, Japan or taiwan`s way.
 
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Not necesarilly what you need to see is China does not understand; is trying to destroy other companies from other countries will face a reaction if you think China Wants India to advance you are wrong, the world economy only if there is cooperation can be a win to win result however under capitalism monopolies appear.

Communism does not exists, capiatlism generates monopolies however nations need to have products made in their own countries, the americans and europeans will protect their markets, India will dothe same and any country will do it

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The above wind turbine is made by a Mexican company, tell me why we need to make rich the CCP at the costs of our workers and profits? why potencia industrial will let chinese under priced solar panels destroy our company?

The USA is right and Europe will follow suit, commerce is impossible without exchange and that means China is a very protectionist nation, so the west is right.

india will do the same. if China follows China`s way you will have a backlash but you can chose South korea, Japan or taiwan`s way.
You don't have to preach us about the benevolence of west, most in Asia and other parts are already recipients of it multiple times over centuries and still sometimes their kindness keeps pouring whether its hosting khalistanis or other 2 bits.

West gives nothing out of kindness, its their feeling of superiority over others and exploitation reasons thinking others aren't capable of turning it around. In China's case, they got bitch slapped.
 

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You don't have to preach us about the benevolence of west, most in Asia and other parts are already recipients of it multiple times over centuries and still sometimes their kindness keeps pouring whether its hosting khalistanis or other 2 bits.

West gives nothing out of kindness, its their feeling of superiority over others and exploitation reasons thinking others aren't capable of turning it around. In China's case, they got bitch slapped.
No you are very wrong,for starters nothing is free. even if you sell indian products in Latin America you need to gve something in return.
China you still do not get it, you are next yes for China you are not an ally, otherwise tell me how many Indian products are sold in China and tell me what surpluses do you have in commerce with China?

Basically your vision is out of reality, for the Chinese surpluses and dumping products is normal, and the only nations that can stop China are EU+USA and India, India is the only nation to match China in man power, the west you like it or not rules because science and technology are highly developed there.

You can continue living on the victim`s complaign, but a more pragmatic way is understand commerce has to be balanced otherwise trade wars emerge and China believe me will not win
 

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You don't have to preach us about the benevolence of west, most in Asia and other parts are already recipients of it multiple times over centuries and still sometimes their kindness keeps pouring whether its hosting khalistanis or other 2 bits.

West gives nothing out of kindness, its their feeling of superiority over others and exploitation reasons thinking others aren't capable of turning it around. In China's case, they got bitch slapped.
China’s total trade surplus with India ‘surpasses $1 trillion’
India’s imports from China in 2021 alone exceeded exports to its northern neighbour by almost $70 billion

October 19, 2022 08:00 pm | Updated 09:02 pm IST - Beijin




China-India trade tensions may continue in 2024, but Beijing doesn’t want to rock the boat
  • India levied punitive duties on Chinese industrial laser machinery earlier this month, adding to a spate of anti-dumping investigations into made-in-China products

you are doing the same the west is doing
 

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China’s total trade surplus with India ‘surpasses $1 trillion’
India’s imports from China in 2021 alone exceeded exports to its northern neighbour by almost $70 billion

October 19, 2022 08:00 pm | Updated 09:02 pm IST - Beijin




China-India trade tensions may continue in 2024, but Beijing doesn’t want to rock the boat
  • India levied punitive duties on Chinese industrial laser machinery earlier this month, adding to a spate of anti-dumping investigations into made-in-China products

you are doing the same the west is doing
Not really, we don't have capabilities in many sectors to be self sufficient but where Bharat does, they are reducing the footprint of ccp or going in that direction. West did out of pure greed thinking others are incapable. Lot of CCP foot print came in with Congis in power.

US model was the best model world has seen but started going down from Clinton with him pushing US into a suicidal path as it is on now with respect to economy and shipping out its productivity for some financial bullshittery and short term profits.
 

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No you are very wrong,for starters nothing is free. even if you sell indian products in Latin America you need to gve something in return.
China you still do not get it, you are next yes for China you are not an ally, otherwise tell me how many Indian products are sold in China and tell me what surpluses do you have in commerce with China?

Basically your vision is out of reality, for the Chinese surpluses and dumping products is normal, and the only nations that can stop China are EU+USA and India, India is the only nation to match China in man power, the west you like it or not rules because science and technology are highly developed there.

You can continue living on the victim`s complaign, but a more pragmatic way is understand commerce has to be balanced otherwise trade wars emerge and China believe me will not win
Again, India does not have much to compete in lot of sectors, its not an export powerhouse in any sense. Just started journey to becomes export powerhouse but it is not going to be an instant nor a smooth journey. Our politics with congis did not take the initiative like China did when we had the advantage. Every action has some sort of impact, some more impactful than others,.
 

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Big earthquake hit Taiwan :( 7.5.

Taipei light to moderate damage but Hualien City and County on east coast was hit bad. Offshore epicenter.
Thank God, the casualties are fairly low with 9 confirmed deaths and about 100 trapped in collapsed structures. For 7.5 richter scale it's been a miracle.
 

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Article is self explaining..this is what we have been projecting from our analysis on forum a few times before, that India has been closing in! Let people who have been drawing GDP charts for last 30 years, re-draw the GDP charts in 10 years to come and see the final outcome 😜
 

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Article is self explaining..this is what we have been projecting from our analysis on forum a few times before, that India has been closing in! Let people who have been drawing GDP charts for last 30 years, re-draw the GDP charts in 10 years to come and see the final outcome 😜
Good for you! You are not producing too much though ;)

To catch to China, you should be growing faster in electricity usage :)

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Thank God, the casualties are fairly low with 9 confirmed deaths and about 100 trapped in collapsed structures. For 7.5 richter scale it's been a miracle.


Ex President Ma Yingjiu of TW visiting mainland again after 6 months.


And the delegation visiting BYD now.





One funny thing is, he will come to birth place of General Ma Yuan, as his ancestor 2200 ago.


And General Ma Yuan is the one who conquered northern Vietnam first time in history.




Didn't know he is from Ma Yuan family tree before, now i can guess his true color, deep blue?

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Article is self explaining..this is what we have been projecting from our analysis on forum a few times before, that India has been closing in! Let people who have been drawing GDP charts for last 30 years, re-draw the GDP charts in 10 years to come and see the final outcome 😜

the ending part of chart from 2020 is particularly enticing! Tell tale signs of a new era in the charts...highly appreciate SCL's support of re-drawing the charts for next 10 years in frequent intervals
Our community of Indian Study Group also had a POV, that before each election term of Modi, there were big growth GDP by statistics lasted for 1-2 quarters, but then the following 1 or 2 quarters, it dropped. like year 2019.

If you look at duration from 2019-2023, the gap of GDP and real strength between India and China were expanded, India became more dependent on China, and India didn't manage to catch up.


The reports on 2018:

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