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How Beijing could be creating China shock 2.0
Now, China is targeting three new strategic industries that the rest of the world is also eyeing.

This time, though, Western countries aren't letting Beijing get its way so easily — especially since China is aiming to develop its own supply-chain ecosystem in these areas.

"The advanced economies are facing the combined impact of China's moderating medium-term GDP growth on global demand as well as competition from China's new wave of industrialization," Rajiv Biswas, an international economist who's the author of "Asian Megatrends," told Business Insider.

This development doesn't stem only from China's push into manufacturing the end products in the fields of EVs, lithium-ion batteries, and solar cells. The country is also developing global supply chains for critical raw materials, such as rare earths, that are set to supply these industries.

"Consequently, the industrial economies of the OECD nations are facing new economic challenges from China's strategic competition in these key growth industries," Biswas said.

Such competition is even keener now because of deflation in China — which has become the only major economy in the world dealing with negative consumer prices.

China's slowing economic growth also means it's not buying as much from other countries, ratcheting up trade tensions.

Last year, China's imports of goods from the rest of the world fell by 5.5% from a year ago, official data shows.

What are the US and the rest of the world doing about China shock 2.0?
The world isn't going to be caught flat-footed by China's emerging dominance in hot new industries this time.

"It is likely that strategic competition between the US, European Union, and China will continue in the long-term in areas of advanced manufacturing technologies," Biswas said.

Many companies are already diversifying supply chains away from China for a range of products.

The US is taking steps to boost chip manufacturing at home. The CHIPS Act provides $52 billion in subsidies for production, research, and workforce development. The US Inflation Reduction Act is also boosting investment in clean energy.


On Tuesday, the Department of Energy announced a $75 million investment to develop a research facility to strengthen the domestic supply chains of critical minerals.

US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is meanwhile in China for meetings with top Chinese officials. The Treasury said in a press release announcing her visit that she would be "pressing Chinese counterparts on unfair trade practices and underscoring the global economic consequences of Chinese industrial overcapacity."

At a Suniva solar-cell plant in Georgia on March 27, Yellen said she was "concerned about global spillovers from the excess capacity that we are seeing in China" that have now hit new energy industries such as solar, electric vehicles, and lithium-ion batteries.

The EU, too, is taking steps to protect its domestic manufacturing in emerging key industries.

In October, the European Commission launched a probe into whether EV imports from China benefited from illegal subsidization that, in turn, threatens to damage the EU's EV manufacturers. If this is found to be true, the EU could impose tariffs on these imports. The EU investigation is ongoing.

The EU has also established the European Chips Act to boost domestic chip production.


After all, it's once bitten, twice shy.

"People like me grew up with the view: If people send you cheap goods, you should send a thank-you note. That's what standard economics basically says," Yellen told The Wall Street Journal in an interview published Wednesday. "I would never ever again say, 'Send a thank-you note.'"

What is China's response to the West's moves?
China is framing the US response as a move to contain its growth.

"The US side has adopted a string of measures to suppress China's trade and technology development," Wang Wenbin, a spokesperson for the Chinese foreign ministry, said at a regular press conference on Wednesday.

"This is not 'de-risking,' but creating risks. These are typical non-market practices," Wang added.

He also said China's exports of EVs, lithium-ion batteries, and solar cells had risen because of the "international division of labor and market demand" thanks to the global energy transition to more sustainable energy sources.

Biswas, the economist, said China was also de-risking by increasingly trading with Southeast Asia, where there's a burgeoning middle class. He said other large developing markets China was targeting included Africa and Latin America.

Last year, China exported more goods to Southeast Asia than to the US for the first time ever, according to a Bloomberg analysis of Chinese customs data published in January — signaling a change in global trade flows amid the changing geopolitical landscape.

Nomura economists wrote in a note on March 15 that the campaign season for the US presidential election this year was likely to heat up some trade issues.

They said: "We reckon China's export price deflation and overcapacity in a number of strategically important sectors might cause trade tensions to escalate later this year, and possibly beyond."

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The tariff published Thursday ends a government anti-dumping investigation opened at the request of the local unit of steelmaker Ternium almost two years ago.

Mexico announced a tariff of almost 80% on some steel imports on Thursday, following criticism from local producers that Chinese steelmakers have throttled their production.

Countervailing duties apply to some Vietnamese exports of cold-rolled steel sheets, although if the groups can prove that the merchandise comes from a country other than China, they are exempt from the tariff, according to a document from the Ministry of Economy published in the Official Gazette of Mexico.

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Vietnamese steelmaker Hoa Phat will be subject to an 11.64% tariff, while Posco Vietnam will face a 25.64% tariff, although the country of origin exemption also applies to them.


As a measure to protect industrial sectors considered “vulnerable”, the Mexican government announced that it will impose taxes on imports of steel products, aluminum, bamboo, rubber, chemicals, oils, soap, paper, cardboard, ceramic products, glass, electrical material, musical instruments and furniture, in addition to maintaining those that the sectors already have: textile, clothing, footwear, electrical, electronic, automotive and auto parts.

These tariffs only apply to countries with which Mexico does not have free trade agreements, such as Asian countries such as China.

 

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Rare documentary on how the great helmsman fooled the Han made them his slaves & undertook the greatest campaign in China then - the glorious 5 pests campaign & the great leap forward which killed anywhere between 50-70 million Han slaves.

We also get a good glimpse into the early campaigns at purging society of class enemies like landlords , the rightist elements & counter revolutionaries who were first invited to criticize the CCP policies following which their criticism was used against them branding them traitors class enemies & counter revolutionaries , sending them either to their deaths or to re education aka concentration camps . 🤣

Since then the CCP has been fooling it's Han slaves.
 

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Türkiye's Istanbul tests Chinese smart metrobus
(Xinhua) 10:19, April 04, 2024
ISTANBUL, April 3 (Xinhua) -- Istanbul, Türkiye's largest city, has commenced a 45-day trial of the state-of-the-art Chinese smart metrobus, a press release said on Wednesday.

The four-wagon electric metrobus, developed by China's CRRC Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Research Institute, boasts a capacity of 420 passengers and is equipped with virtual trajectory tracking capabilities.

The institute emphasized in its release that this initiative is geared towards addressing the pressing demand for passenger transportation, with a primary focus on enhancing comfort, safety, energy efficiency, and environmental sustainability.

Representatives from Istanbul transportation institutions, including Istanbul Tram and Tunnel Enterprises and Istanbul Metro, conducted a test drive and experienced the new vehicles.

Expressing satisfaction with the trial, they indicated their intent to collaborate further with their Chinese counterparts to introduce these eco-friendly, high-capacity, long-range, and self-driving vehicles to enhance the comfort of urban bus routes.

Peng Zhonghong, general manager of CRRC Smart Rail, a subsidiary of CRRC Zhuzhou Institute, said that the introduction of the vehicles will provide new opportunities and environmentally friendly solutions to address the public transportation challenges faced by Istanbul's 16 million residents.

"Additionally, it will effectively reduce traffic congestion pressure in the city," he remarked, affirming his institution's commitment to providing comprehensive technical support and after-sales service.

 

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Türkiye's Istanbul tests Chinese smart metrobus
(Xinhua) 10:19, April 04, 2024
ISTANBUL, April 3 (Xinhua) -- Istanbul, Türkiye's largest city, has commenced a 45-day trial of the state-of-the-art Chinese smart metrobus, a press release said on Wednesday.

The four-wagon electric metrobus, developed by China's CRRC Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Research Institute, boasts a capacity of 420 passengers and is equipped with virtual trajectory tracking capabilities.

The institute emphasized in its release that this initiative is geared towards addressing the pressing demand for passenger transportation, with a primary focus on enhancing comfort, safety, energy efficiency, and environmental sustainability.

Representatives from Istanbul transportation institutions, including Istanbul Tram and Tunnel Enterprises and Istanbul Metro, conducted a test drive and experienced the new vehicles.

Expressing satisfaction with the trial, they indicated their intent to collaborate further with their Chinese counterparts to introduce these eco-friendly, high-capacity, long-range, and self-driving vehicles to enhance the comfort of urban bus routes.

Peng Zhonghong, general manager of CRRC Smart Rail, a subsidiary of CRRC Zhuzhou Institute, said that the introduction of the vehicles will provide new opportunities and environmentally friendly solutions to address the public transportation challenges faced by Istanbul's 16 million residents.

"Additionally, it will effectively reduce traffic congestion pressure in the city," he remarked, affirming his institution's commitment to providing comprehensive technical support and after-sales service.

Metro bus?! This is a tram, Chang, a tram, if the Turks can't even develop a godamned tram, they deserve being taken for a ride by the Han. Pun unintended.
 

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Metro bus?! This is a tram, Chang, a tram, if the Turks can't even develop a godamned tram, they deserve being taken for a ride by the Han. Pun unintended.
Kumar, it doesn't matter what his name is.

 

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Rare documentary on how the great helmsman fooled the Han made them his slaves & undertook the greatest campaign in China then - the glorious 5 pests campaign & the great leap forward which killed anywhere between 50-70 million Han slaves.

We also get a good glimpse into the early campaigns at purging society of class enemies like landlords , the rightist elements & counter revolutionaries who were first invited to criticize the CCP policies following which their criticism was used against them branding them traitors class enemies & counter revolutionaries , sending them either to their deaths or to re education aka concentration camps . 🤣

Since then the CCP has been fooling it's Han slaves.
Mao fucked up almost all the things after 1949, except two things.

1. 1950-1953, setup the buffer zone as N.Korea, guarded northeast industry base.

2. 1962 war, totally destroyed fame of India as leader of developing nations. Consolidated the ruling in Tibet, made the whole southwest as strategic reserved region.

Even after Mao fucked up so much, in 1978 the per GDP compared India were almost same level. So what did India do ...

1200px-GDP_per_capita_of_China_and_India.svg.png
 
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Mao fucked up almost all the things after 1949, except two things.

1. 1950-1953, setup the buffer zone as N.Korea, guarded northeast industry base.

2. 1962 war, totally destroyed fame of India as leader of developing nations. Consolidated the ruling in Tibet, made the whole southwest as strategic reserved region.

Even after Mao fucked up so much, in 1978 the per GDP compared India were almost same level. So what did India do ...

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India was much badly fcked by Nehru and his ilk both Militarily and Economically
 

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India was much badly fcked by Nehru and his ilk both Militarily and Economically
Nehru was incapable and stupid, Mao was insane.

I like ur Bose than Gandhi. If the successor were Bose not Nehru, the situation would be better. At least he would challenge China on Tibet smartly with good military preparation, i remembered he had combat experiences.

I always felt confused how Nehru had confidence to push the Forward Policy against PLA. From political leaders like Mao, Zhou, Chen Yi, to PLA Generals veterans, they fought 25 yrs since 1930 with KMT, Japan, American, British... How he thought he would win the war with those experienced bad asses.

The whole administration haven't had any war INDEPENDENTLY for 200 years (Goa was too small).
 
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Nehru was incapable and stupid, Mao was insane.

I like ur Bose than Gandhi. If the successor were Bose not Nehru, the situation would be better. At least he would challenge China on Tibet smartly with good military preparation, i remembered he had combat experiences.

I always felt confused how Nehru had confidence to push the Forward Policy against PLA. From political leaders like Mao, Zhou, Chen Yi, to PLA Generals veterans, they fought 25 yrs since 1930 with KMT, Japan, American, British... How he thought he would win the war with those experienced bad asses.
Nehru was a Brishit plant so he did what brishit wanted, He with an agenda weaken experienced Indian army the largest volunteer force in WW2 in his time, chinks would hardly stood a chance if Savarkar was the leader of India
 

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Nehru was a Brishit plant so he did what brishit wanted, He with an agenda weaken experienced Indian army the largest volunteer force in WW2 in his time, chinks would hardly stood a chance if Savarkar was the leader of India
No chance, it's not a conflict, it's a war. you need the whole experienced system, from political leaders to combat generals, capable logistics. On any level you don't have equivalent people to compete.

Mao and Zhou just had 5 years negotiation with USA and CCCP on Korea, they know how to play with international communities on war time.

The whole PLA generals led 1.2 million PLA troops in Korea against with USA and its 17 nations army for 4 yrs.

All the soldiers were veterans from Korea and Vietnam, Tibet battle field.

A single good general couldn't save the situation.
 
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No chance, it's not a conflict, it's a war. you need the whole experienced system, from political leaders to combat generals, capable logistics. On any level you don't have equivalent people to compete.

Mao and Zhou just had 5 years negotiation with USA and CCCP on Korea, they know how to play with international communities on war time.

The whole PLA generals led 1.2 million PLA troops in Korea against with USA and its 17 nations army for 4 yrs.

All the soldiers were veterans from Korea and Vietnam, Tibet battle field.

A single good general couldn't save the situation.
Brishit Indian Army was 2.5 million when back to India around 1950s, these are battle hardened men with experience in Army, Navy and Airforce add to that huge military manufacturing left by brishit.

Nehru in his term made sure all these military capabilities were gradually taken to level zero, chinese would have no chance in hell if they fought the same WW2 veterans with military industrial sector left unharmed by Nehru ..
Tibet is 1000s km away from chinese han civilisation India core civilisation is basically part of Himalays there is no way chinese can stand a chance in Tibet against India in prolonged conflict.
This thing will be clearer in decades to come
 

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Kumar, it doesn't matter what his name is.

That's a tram too , Chang. Look you can run it on Mars for all I care & call it Confucius Bus . Doesn't change the fact it's a tram.
 

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Mao fucked up almost all the things after 1949, except two things.

1. 1950-1953, setup the buffer zone as N.Korea, guarded northeast industry base.

2. 1962 war, totally destroyed fame of India as leader of developing nations. Consolidated the ruling in Tibet, made the whole southwest as strategic reserved region.

Even after Mao fucked up so much, in 1978 the per GDP compared India were almost same level. So what did India do ...

View attachment 247125
Indians like to talk about ancient history to make themselves feel better :)

This is what happened after Mao :)
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And it is widening much faster now because of the big base effect.

India needs to grow at 30% every year to just to match the GDP addition that China gets from 5% growth :D

The usage of electricity shows far larger economic activity in China than anyone in the West or India wants to believe.

India has the same population as China. BUT India could afford only a fraction of what the US uses. China uses multiple times what the US uses :)

IMG_2622.jpeg


India is grouped with "other Asia" and that group still much smaller than China!
IMG_2621.png
 

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Mao fucked up almost all the things after 1949, except two things.

1. 1950-1953, setup the buffer zone as N.Korea, guarded northeast industry base.

2. 1962 war, totally destroyed fame of India as leader of developing nations. Consolidated the ruling in Tibet, made the whole southwest as strategic reserved region.

Even after Mao fucked up so much, in 1978 the per GDP compared India were almost same level. So what did India do ...

View attachment 247125
If the objective was to keep the US out of the Korean peninsula , it was a tremendous success. It resulted in situation like this -


I don't know what losing fame by being a leader of the developing world means ? Does it mean selling scams like BRI & CPEC ? Probably in your book it does. Which brings me to an important point. During the Cold War , the USSR had an alliance system in place called the Warsaw Pact to counter NATO . Now you can label the USSR what you want but they were prescient enough to have alliances in place even if it was forced . What does Zhongguo have when it gets down to confront the US over Taiwan ? Think about it & let us know .

I don't think you've been paying attention to what I've been saying Chang. That economic upgradation is a marathon not a 100 MTR sprint. The reason the CCP treated it as such was coz it took its Han slaves for granted & subjected them to untold atrocities with millions perishing in the bargain. If CCP didn't improve the condition of their slaves immediately there would either be no Zhongguo to begin with or the slaves would revolt.

Which brings me back to my original point. The same CCP which brought Zhongguo & inflicted on it's Han slaves what it did is still in power & great helmsman 2.0 has the same powers as Great Helmsman 1.0. What that means for you only time will tell . The world calls it history repeating itself first as a tragedy then as a farce.

Another thing - no Indian leader can or ever will subject Indians to what the Han slaves underwent right from the atrocities of the civil war to the great purges , to the glorious 5 pests campaign , the great leap forward to the ever glorious cultural revolution , the tiananmen square massacres , the Wuhan virus pandemic, etc

So while Nehru had his faults he was no cold blooded murderer nor was a semi literate demagogue like great helmsman 1.0 .

At the end of the day we get the kind of leaders we deserve. It's called Karma. I'm sure you're familiar with the word.
 

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Nehru was incapable and stupid, Mao was insane.

I like ur Bose than Gandhi. If the successor were Bose not Nehru, the situation would be better. At least he would challenge China on Tibet smartly with good military preparation, i remembered he had combat experiences.

I always felt confused how Nehru had confidence to push the Forward Policy against PLA. From political leaders like Mao, Zhou, Chen Yi, to PLA Generals veterans, they fought 25 yrs since 1930 with KMT, Japan, American, British... How he thought he would win the war with those experienced bad asses.

The whole administration haven't had any war INDEPENDENTLY for 200 years (Goa was too small).
You're laying too much importance on a border conflict Chang . If 1962 didn't happen , we'd never have modernised our armed forces . And don't flatter yourself. The ones who fought the Japanese were the Guomindang not the CCP.

In any case as I've remarked earlier the Guomindang was being beaten black & blue by the Japanese who subjected the Han then to incidents like the Rape of Nanjing for which the Guomindang didn't have any answers.

The role of the Guomindang as envisaged by the allies particularly the US was to tie down a significant section of the Imperial Japanese Army . Neither more nor less. That's precisely what the Guomindang did.


Coming back to the present let's consider the following facts .For perspective , China occupied certain areas across the LAC in violation of all agreements there in 2020. Now there isn't anyone here who wouldn't concede that Zhongguo is ahead of India then & now as far as military preparedness goes.


Which gives rise to the question why didn't Zhongguo occupy all of Ladakh as it originally planned . The second question is why did it conceal its losses only revealing some in phases .

Thirdly who ever cares for the validation of the yellow man. Was Confucian thought the bedrock of the Chinese civilization ? By all accounts it was . Did it influence other civilizations in the far East ? Yes it did . How then did Buddhism gain root in China ?

Why did Chinese students & monks come here to study Buddhism & propagate it in China & further east but not one of them came to propagate Confucian thought or Daoism out here ?

The fact is it's China which always looked to India for validation. Never the other way around . This holds true even today. Which is why you are here on an Indian defence forum & we aren't on a Chinese defense forum . 🤣
 

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Indians like to talk about ancient history to make themselves feel better :)

This is what happened after Mao :)
View attachment 247159

And it is widening much faster now because of the big base effect.

India needs to grow at 30% every year to just to match the GDP addition that China gets from 5% growth :D

The usage of electricity shows far larger economic activity in China than anyone in the West or India wants to believe.

India has the same population as China. BUT India could afford only a fraction of what the US uses. China uses multiple times what the US uses :)

View attachment 247162

India is grouped with "other Asia" and that group still much smaller than China!
View attachment 247163
Yes & when is China going to displace the USA as the paramount power in the world . Pls upload info memes & graphics from the MSS stating that as well. Is it going to happen by 2030 or 2040 or 2050 or by 2100. Asking this for while India lives in the past , China lives in the future. So you ought to know. Pls inform us .
 

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Yes & when is China going to displace the USA as the paramount power in the world . Pls upload info memes & graphics from the MSS stating that as well. Is it going to happen by 2030 or 2040 or 2050 or by 2100. Asking this for while India lives in the past , China lives in the future. So you ought to know. Pls inform us .
Who cares? China has a bigger economy and makes more stuff :)

Food, fun and general living are far better in China today than Mao's and that is good enough :)


 

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Who cares? China has a bigger economy and makes more stuff :)

Food, fun and general living are far better in China today than Mao's and that is good enough :)


Of course you don't care for you're insignificant. Your masters the CCP absolutely cares. Why do you think they've been issuing statements since the time of great helmsman 1.0 that the entire world order today has been framed by the victors of world war 2.0 & that china needs to refashion it to suit China not the west . What else was the glorious BRI & other such scams all about ?

Why else would great helmsman 2.0 repeatedly ask the CMC & the PLA to get ready to fight wars ?

Btw you still didn't answer my question - when is Zhongguo going to displace the USA as the pre eminent super power of the world ?
 

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Of course you don't care for you're insignificant. Your masters the CCP absolutely cares. Why do you think they've been issuing statements since the time of great helmsman 1.0 that the entire world order today has been framed by the victors of world war 2.0 & that china needs to refashion it to suit China not the west . What else was the glorious BRI & other such scams all about ?

Why else would great helmsman 2.0 repeatedly ask the CMC & the PLA to get ready to fight wars ?

Btw you still didn't answer my question - when is Zhongguo going to displace the USA as the pre eminent super power of the world ?
Only you care!

This is what Chinese care about on their social media :D

Our Mermaid:

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Theirs:

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