C-17 Globemaster III (IAF)

[Blackwater]

Are you reffering to that Air vice marshal who seemingly refuses to smile?


From all the accounts I've ever heard regarding Indian military officers/soldiers interacting with foreingers- Indian officers/soldiers always seem to come off very polite, courteous and warm .

my point was lack of physical and facial personalities, not politeness and saar

 

[Waffen SS]

It is unnecessary to buy them at huge cost.

The problems of these planes are-

They carry less amount of troops or supply than ships, very expensive, easy to shoot down meaning every thing on board will will be destroyed, can also crash.

Ships does not have these none problems. Modern technology can detect storm, soldiers and even equipment can be rescued from sinking ships. No fear of crash. Very hard to sink or to destroy. No one can carry anti ship missile unless he/she is superhero Hulk-:thumb:

To Transport Soldiers or weapons in case of future war fare Transport Ship is best. It can carry more troops and weapons than a plane and costs less. History proves it, these transport planes are only useful to send paratroopers(Operation Market Garden), drop supply for encircled troops(German Ju 52's in Stalingrad or US C 47's in Berlin air lift). To drop commandos or to supply weapons and troops to land locked countries, but when it comes to land locked countries even US tries to find a land route- US led multinational troops in landlocked Afghanistan and their supply route through Pakistan.

But today Helicopters can also do it.

So when we have to send large amount of troops and supplies, it is better to use Ships or to use ground route in case of land locked countries. To drop paratroopers or others less expensive and light transport plane is ok.

You can find in all major engagements when a country was fighting in far away from it's homeland, they used ships for transport. Even US.

To drop paratroopers it is better to use multiple light transport plane instead of few large transport plane. If enemy shoots down transport planes then whether large transport plane or small transport plane, all passengers will be killed.

So if a large plane carrying 120 troops is downed all will be killed, but if a light plane carrying 30 is shot down then only 30 will die and their will be still 3 planes carrying 90 soldiers, they can still achieve objective. I hope every one can understand it.

Money Rs. is always a deciding factor, so you cant use large planes in huge number as you can in light planes. And as I said if enemy shoots down a large plane all is destroyed but if they shoot down light plane, we still have many other planes to do.

 

[abingdonboy]

my point was lack of physical and facial personalities, not politeness and saar

What are physical and facial personalities sir?

It is unnecessary to buy them at huge cost.

The problems of these planes are-

They carry less amount of troops or supply than ships, very expensive, easy to shoot down meaning every thing on board will will be destroyed, can also crash.

Ships does not have these none problems. Modern technology can detect storm, soldiers and even equipment can be rescued from sinking ships. No fear of crash. Very hard to sink or to destroy. No one can carry anti ship missile unless he/she is superhero Hulk-:thumb:

Please tell me how a ship can supply the North/NE with tanks, ICVs, Arty, infantry etc? The C-17 fills a very necessary role for the Indian armed forces.

 

[pmaitra]

Please tell me how a ship can supply the North/NE with tanks, ICVs, Arty, infantry etc? The C-17 fills a very necessary role for the Indian armed forces.

+1

Indeed, these planes are needed for supplying NE and J&K.

One thing to keep in mind is that we must also prepare enough landing strips, in redundant numbers as well, i.e. build two airstrips in an area where we need one.

 

[SilentKiller]

It is unnecessary to buy them at huge cost.

The problems of these planes are-

They carry less amount of troops or supply than ships, very expensive, easy to shoot down meaning every thing on board will will be destroyed, can also crash.

Ships does not have these none problems. Modern technology can detect storm, soldiers and even equipment can be rescued from sinking ships. No fear of crash. Very hard to sink or to destroy. No one can carry anti ship missile unless he/she is superhero Hulk-:thumb:

To Transport Soldiers or weapons in case of future war fare Transport Ship is best. It can carry more troops and weapons than a plane and costs less. History proves it, these transport planes are only useful to send paratroopers(Operation Market Garden), drop supply for encircled troops(German Ju 52's in Stalingrad or US C 47's in Berlin air lift). To drop commandos or to supply weapons and troops to land locked countries, but when it comes to land locked countries even US tries to find a land route- US led multinational troops in landlocked Afghanistan and their supply route through Pakistan.

But today Helicopters can also do it.

So when we have to send large amount of troops and supplies, it is better to use Ships or to use ground route in case of land locked countries. To drop paratroopers or others less expensive and light transport plane is ok.

You can find in all major engagements when a country was fighting in far away from it's homeland, they used ships for transport. Even US.

To drop paratroopers it is better to use multiple light transport plane instead of few large transport plane. If enemy shoots down transport planes then whether large transport plane or small transport plane, all passengers will be killed.

So if a large plane carrying 120 troops is downed all will be killed, but if a light plane carrying 30 is shot down then only 30 will die and their will be still 3 planes carrying 90 soldiers, they can still achieve objective. I hope every one can understand it.

Money Rs. is always a deciding factor, so you cant use large planes in huge number as you can in light planes. And as I said if enemy shoots down a large plane all is destroyed but if they shoot down light plane, we still have many other planes to do.

These planes too have their own needs and importance.
Consider single C-17 carrying 120 troops is much safer than we send 4 lighter planes during war times.
More sorties are required for such light planes to complete a task which single C-17 could have done.
True, such large planes can be prime and easy targets but they are required of fast deployment of larger force in quicker time.
Well, ships can't be used to ferry good on our front line, even if guns are little bit silent now.

we are not expecting or need to have these planes in large numbers that US has, but we do require a need of 15-20 of these planes, 17 IL-76 are still to remain for few years. we do have lighter planes and helicopters in much larger number to perform roles mentioned above by u.

 

[pmaitra]

These planes too have their own needs and importance.
Consider single C-17 carrying 120 troops is much safer than we send 4 lighter planes during war times.
More sorties are required for such light planes to complete a task which single C-17 could have done.
True, such large planes can be prime and easy targets but they are required of fast deployment of larger force in quicker time.
Well, ships can't be used to ferry good on our front line, even if guns are little bit silent now.

we are not expecting or need to have these planes in large numbers that US has, but we do require a need of 15-20 of these planes, 17 IL-76 are still to remain for few years. we do have lighter planes and helicopters in much larger number to perform roles mentioned above by u.

During the Soviet-Mujahideen War, fighter or helicopter always escorted the cargo planes close to the airport or airfield. So, more cargo plane sorties would require more escort planes, but if a single large cargo plane carries out one sortie, we would need comparatively lesser number of escorts for the same amount of cargo delivered.

I think India should focus on procuring more of these C-17 and Ilyushin-76 planes, along with smaller C-130 and Antonov-32 planes for smaller airfields. We should also get a bunch of Mil-26T2 and enhance them with additional jet packs for more lift in higher altitudes.

 

[ladder]

I think India should focus on procuring more of these C-17 and Ilyushin-76 planes, along with smaller C-130 and Antonov-32 planes for smaller airfields. We should also get a bunch of Mil-26T2 and enhance them with additional jet packs for more lift in higher altitudes.

I think we went for Chinook in the heavy helicopter category and rejected Mil-26.
so, are you suggesting we need to operate both?

 

[pmaitra]

I think we went for Chinook in the heavy helicopter category and rejected Mil-26.
so, are you suggesting we need to operate both?

Yes, you are right. I was always in favour of the Halo, simply because of its larger capacity. A bigger capacity simply makes it a better cargo carrier, be it plane or helicopter. Chinook is good as a tactical lifter, while the Halo is a strategic lifter, which the Chinook is not. The Halos came really handy during Operation Chequerboard.

 

[Waffen SS]

Please tell me how a ship can supply the North/NE with tanks, ICVs, Arty, infantry etc? The C-17 fills a very necessary role for the Indian armed forces.

Please check my comment again. We have road, rail way. How US supply their troops in Afghanistan?

Can you guys use large planes in large number?? What about money? No you cant. recious:

But you can use light planes in large number as they cost less.

In case of to drop 120 troops in covert mission, which is better? To use 1 large plane, if it gets shot all killed ? Or to use wave 3 or 4 light planes(wave because they cost less), if any one of them gets shot down, we have still other plane's whose soldiers can still achieve objective.

Another problem is to send tanks by large plane, those planes need to land, in case of war all Indian runways in Jammu and Kashmir will be cratered by China. How those planes will drop tanks? Then you will be forced to send tanks through road or railway. Then why did we buy those planes? :why::why:

For this purpose( sending cargo or tanks) Helicopters are best as they dont need runway.

May be picture is better to explain.

is it better to use a single large plane or

waves of light planes?

And remember if a large plane is downed all are killed, if a light plane is downed you still have other planes for objective.

Now you can say why we cant use large planes in waves like 2nd image? We cant because we dont have money. :cool2:

 

[Kunal Biswas]

C-17 are selected for there short landing and take off capability mainly, there are small runways and unit based there need large supply..

C-17 does better than IL-76 there..

 

[JBH22]

C-17 are selected for there short landing and take off capability mainly, there are small runways and unit based there need large supply..

C-17 does better than IL-76 there..

Upgrading the IL-76 would be desirable we can still flog them for atleast 2decades after that.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

I agree, we should not scrap them, rather a joint fleet of both IL-76 and C-17 would be beneficial in days of war..

Upgrading the IL-76 would be desirable we can still flog them for atleast 2decades after that.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

First IAF C-17 Arrives At Indian Base

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2013/06/photos-first-iaf-c-17-arrives-at-indian.html

 

[Blackwater]

First IAF C-17 Arrives At Indian Base

Livefist: PHOTOS: First IAF C-17 Arrives At Indian Base

Any Indian news channel covering it

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

Any Indian news channel covering it

nope they have better thing to show again and again

 

[Ganesh2691]

IAF C-17 Flies To Port Blair

IAF Statement: Having touched down on Indian soil on 18 Jun 2013, the IAF's latest acquisition C-17 Globemaster-III made its maiden flight to the Andaman & Nicobar Islands on 30 Jun 2013. Climbing an altitude of 28,000 feet with an unrefueled range of 2400 nautical miles, the aircraft landed at Port Blair to induct the rotational Infantry Battalion into the Andaman & Nicobar Islands.

Manufactured by Messrs Boeing of the United States, the C-17 Globemaster-III is a heavy-lift transport military aircraft, developed for the United States Air Force (USAF). India has become the largest customer, of this sophisticated aircraft, after the United States. C-17 Globemaster-III is 174 feet in length, with a wing span of 170 feet. The maximum all up weight is 2,65,350 kg, with an ultra modernized palletized cargo handling capability.

Livefist: IAF C-17 Flies To Port Blair

 

[FAR SOLDIER]

Great pics :thumb: Wow very impressive bird

What a Monster ! I 'am in love whit this plane . I dream each night to purchase it for the Moroccan Air Force

Take care of him , and congratulations for the IAF

 

[Kunal Biswas]

IAF's second and third C-17s at Boeing's Long Beach production facility

CB-8002 & CB-8003

Originally Posted by Randy

 

[Blackwater]

IAF's second and third C-17s at Boeing's Long Beach production facility

CB-8002 & CB-8003

Originally Posted by Randy

does this Indian plane has in flight refueling system???

 

[Kunal Biswas]

There is port over the head for inflight refueling...

does this Indian plane has in flight refueling system???