Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT)

[p2prada]

Not one guy all those guys who came with the tank laughed when i brought up the arjun. LMAO..

I would have joined them as well. Come one I have been saying this for 2 years now. Arjun is not fit for induction.

 

[p2prada]

IMHO You can now say bye bye to FMBT, it seems that more cost-effective solution is further evolution of Arjun.

Nothing is over until the fat lady sings. There has to be official reports of canceling the FMBT. You see, in case the Mk3 faces problems then the IA will turn towards Russia again, this time for the Armata.

Now you can say IA is being pressurized by the govt to buy more Arjuns. So, 124 Mk1s, 124 Mk2s and then 124 Mk3s. WTF???

 

[Damian]

Perhaps, but even "Armata" future is not certain. IMHO it is a more cost effective and less risky solution to further improve Arjun, even if improvement means complete redesign of turret and maybe even hull.

Maybe IA should buy more T-90S, or buy a licence for T-90MS.

 

[p2prada]

At least Armata has official confirmation. The T-90MS may be ordered.

Redesign of Arjun turret and hull would make it a new tank. But the article talks only of fixing problems in Mk2 and call the modified tank Mk3. Maybe IA is looking at ordering 248 Mk3s and have DRDO develop the FMBT anyway.

 

[Damian]

Perhaps.

BTW to Methos.



It is or XM291 or M256E1 mounted on M1A2, I also found a document on one site and on DITC about installation of these guns in standard M1A1/A2 turret, there were indeed problems with vibrations however all were solved in a ver simple way.

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/littla/Papers/Littlefield_ASC2002_CA03.pdf

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/p012455.pdf

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Perhaps, but even "Armata" future is not certain. IMHO it is a more cost effective and less risky solution to further improve Arjun, even if improvement means complete redesign of turret and maybe even hull.

Maybe IA should buy more T-90S, or buy a licence for T-90MS.

Lets see how they do it...

Finger crossed, though T-90MS too need redegining the turret roof..

 

[agentperry]

I am there, where ru?

where is chatbox

 

[sathya]

IMHO You can now say bye bye to FMBT, it seems that more cost-effective solution is further evolution of Arjun.

even Russia felt the same, decided to upgrade t 90 instead of designing new tank..

 

[Damian]

even Russia felt the same, decided to upgrade t 90 instead of designing new tank..

I think You do not know much about what Russians are currently doing. They decided because of several reasons to scrap Object 195 program and as interim solution upgrade T-90 series, while the long term solution is "Armata" project for heavy tracked universal combat platform, it's MBT version will be more or less scalled down Object 195.

 

[nitesh]

another addition

City firm gives Indian army tanks an 'all-seeing' eye, News - City - Bangalore Mirror,Bangalore Mirror

 

[Kunal Biswas]

In another bull's eye for the city, a Bangalore-based electronics firm has developed a device which would soon make the Indian Army's Arjun Main Battle Tank (MBT) an even more formidable weapon of war.
The indigenous Arjun tank, considered the finest third generation battle tank in the world, will soon be fitted with an 'Automatic Video Tracker', a device developed by Deepti Electronics and Electro-Optics Pvt Ltd (Delopt), Kanakapura Road. The device homes in on an enemy target and tracks it until it is destroyed.

Based on Line Replacement Units (LRUs) technique, a state-of-the-art technology, the tracker uses thermal technology to locate enemy tanks and vehicles. The device becomes the 'eyes' of the tank as it maintains a constant surveillance for potential targets. Once a target is detected, information is passed on to the gunner, who then launches a weapon to destroy the target. The entire process takes no more than a fraction of a second.

A prototype of the device was successfully tested on Arjun tanks in the Pokhran range, Rajasthan recently. A slightly modified version of the device will be handed over to the army in about a month's time.

Interesting developments..

 

[Damian]

Wait a second what is this, an autotracker or some sort of electronic target detection and identification device that informs crew that there is a target nearby, and informs them where it is?

 

[trackwhack]

The indigenous Arjun tank, considered the finest third generation battle tank in the world

:shocked:

Is it?

 

[Damian]

Ah, You know, typical mass media babble talk.

It is definetly one of the best in the region, and one of the better ones in the world.

 

[sayareakd]

have you guys notice the new optical sensor on Mk-II version, i am talking about the computer generated graphic image of MK-II.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Wait a second what is this, an autotracker or some sort of electronic target detection and identification device that informs crew that there is a target nearby, and informs them where it is?

i think new sight has something to do with this

this is from this site Serial Innovations – 360° Imaging earlier it was discussed there http://defenceforumindia.com/indian...ovation-bets-defence-provides-technology.html

360 degree camera

Drishti vision
http://www.sitpl.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Drishti.pdf


and finally this

http://www.sitpl.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Geo-Localizer.pdf

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...nce-provides-technology-drones-arjun-mbt.html

 

[Kunal Biswas]

DRDO maintains shoddy DPSU and OFB products are undercutting the quality of its manufactures, citing as an example the Arjun tank, which last year outperformed the Russian T-90 tank in army trials but subsequently disappointed the frontline combat units who received them from the Heavy Vehicles Factory, Avadi. The reason cited for the Arjun's sub-par performance was poor manufacture and ineffective quality control, The Business Standard reported Thursday.

DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat is seeking the direct intervention of Defense Minister A.K. Antony and stated: "DRDO is mandated to develop prototypes and then hand over to production agencies for large-scale manufacture. But we have realized that a substantial amount of handholding is required in the post-development phase. DRDO would like to play a lead role in the selection of production partners and the lead integrator for production of DRDO-developed products, so as to ensure seamless transfer of technology, manufacture and product support."

India's DRDO wants say in procurements - UPI.com

 

[nitesh]

Isn't this shell does what HESH round of Arjun do? Will be an irony of unimaginable proportion, if we need to spend money on this shell

Israeli Multi-Purpose Tank Ammo Redesigned to Fit the 125mm Gun of the T-90S | Defense Update

 

[Damian]

I really do not understand why do You complain.

HESH ammunition is an outdated, very simple ammunition made to destroy lightly armored vehicles and tanks that do not have spaced, composite or explosive reactive armor, it also have some effectiveness against structures, but as I said, it is outdated, very simple and in current form can be fired only from rifled guns.

New types of 120mm and 125mm multipurpose ammunition for smoothbore guns in these callibers, are not only simple HE ammunition, these have programmable fuze, meaning that You can attack infantry behind obstacles and cover, You can program fuze in such way that projectile will penetrate building and explode inside not outside like HESH. Newer types of such ammunition like for example still being under R&D phase AMP round made in US for M1 tanks, can even perforate front turret armor of T-54/55 tank.

T-90 tank, especially in command versions or newer versions, also have AINET system, it is meant to programm fuze of HE ammunition, givving such tank an edge confronting hidden infantry, ATGM and RPG positions or even hellicopters or low and slow flying aircrafts.

So please stop complaining high end technology because You like more some old fashioned and outdated rifled gun with outdated type of ammunition.

 

[p2prada]

This is actually good news. We can buy some state of the art modern shells for our tanks as compared to our domestic biscuits.

Hmm. I had pointed that out before, but it seems the Israeli Mk2 is ready for manufacture only now.

The big problem is that IMI is blacklisted and that's causing a lot of problems for the Army whose only other option is Russia. So, no tank ammo from Israel.