AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (HAL)

[NoobWannaLearn]

Buddy you are all right but not all components take 3 year and I'm not saying that only frame or incase if you're referring to bulk head is made.. there are reports, many vendors have began making components by themselves..they all understand the importance of amca being Fast tracked. They are the biggest beneficiaries.

amca will roll out in 2026,, u will see it..

Le us in 2026 commenting here "Amca will rollout in 2028" trust me Bhai /s

 

[jai jaganath]

Buddy you are all right but not all components take 3 year and I'm not saying that only frame or incase if you're referring to bulk head is made.. there are reports, many vendors have began making components by themselves..they all understand the importance of amca being Fast tracked. They are the biggest beneficiaries.

amca will roll out in 2026,, u will see it..

I will ask happy as urs
But optimism leads to sadness and depression
Just like many claimed today will be last cabinet meeting even Ajit sir said many things will happen in following weeks but there was no such thing

 

[MirageBlue]

Now the CCS sanction is done and this is a funded project.

There is a BIG difference between a funded versus an unfunded project. Now the timelines have a lot more riding on them and major deviations will not be accepted unless there is some completely unforeseen issue arising.

So take 36 months from now as the deadline for the first prototype roll-out.

 

[MirageBlue]

I have a question, why india is not considering Snecma M88 this jet engine have supercruise which GE 414 lacks??

What?!?

Engine has supercruise? Does it fly on it's own??

 

[Phantom001]

What?!?

Engine has supercruise? Does it fly on it's own??

Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft without using afterburner.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Still the gestation period is a very long one. We need an early start.

Engineering logic says you cannot start successive project without final evaluation of preceeding one.

Parallel development of two planes on same platform which was not built earlier is not just impossible but laughable also.

 

[Blademaster]

Engineering logic says you cannot start successive project without final evaluation of preceeding one.

Parallel development of two planes on same platform which was not built earlier is not just impossible but laughable also.

Disagree. You can start planning out the requirements and specs with enough room to adjust if necessary in the future and you can also start working on components necessary to make a bomber.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Disagree. You can start planning out the requirements and specs with enough room to adjust if necessary in the future and you can also start working on components necessary to make a bomber.

No, that is gross incorrect by engineering point of view. Think logistically. You need a baseline design first around which you plan and record of performance. Otherwise, only thing you are going to achieve is a 20 years+ delay in both platforms, 10-15 times cost overruns, a logistics nightmare + brutally low production and contingencies both aircraft components will not be interchangeable.

A proven AMCA can give an AHCA in 5-7 years. A brand new AHCA is a 30 years long venture with no certain future.

 

[tomthounaojam]

Bombers are out of question the Air force chief himself has said it's an old tech we don't want it it's only feasable when you have shit ton of money lying around like the US so our focus needs to be on AMCA and Ghatak

Our doctrine doesn't need big bombers, as we are a Subcontinent centric and defensive force.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Our doctrine doesn't need big bombers, as we are a Subcontinent centric and defensive force.

Exactly and it's a waste of time and money for us so we need to not give it a thought

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Exactly and it's a waste of time and money for us so we need to not give it a thought

I disagree, long range stealth bombers will be very effective in a naval strike role, or a nuclear strike role. Our nuclear triad is currently more of a dyas, with the aerial strike being a dubious proposition especially against china.

Though probably a downsized B2/upsized ghatak type stealth wing instead of a AMCA V3

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

I disagree, long range stealth bombers will be very effective in a naval strike role, or a nuclear strike role. Our nuclear triad is currently more of a dyas, with the aerial strike being a dubious proposition especially against china.

Though probably a downsized B2/upsized ghatak type stealth wing instead of a AMCA V3

Bigger Ghatak can fullfill some of that role as you said but putting money for a bomber with the state we are in rn is just not possible as said by Air force chief in the past we can't afford it rn. Better focus on Ghatak and Naval warrior too

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

No, that is gross incorrect by engineering point of view. Think logistically. You need a baseline design first around which you plan and record of performance. Otherwise, only thing you are going to achieve is a 20 years+ delay in both platforms, 10-15 times cost overruns, a logistics nightmare + brutally low production and contingencies both aircraft components will not be interchangeable.

A proven AMCA can give an AHCA in 5-7 years. A brand new AHCA is a 30 years long venture with no certain future.

even guys with shit tons of money couldnt afford to build this

 

[tomthounaojam]

I disagree, long range stealth bombers will be very effective in a naval strike role, or a nuclear strike role. Our nuclear triad is currently more of a dyas, with the aerial strike being a dubious proposition especially against china.

Though probably a downsized B2/upsized ghatak type stealth wing instead of a AMCA V3

we simply don't need big strategic bombers, what we need is an F-111 size bomber which used to be done by Canberra bombers back in the day. For strategic strikes in Mainland China, our long-range missile is more than enough, chances of it being shot down compared to a bomber outweigh it. Also, we are NOT going to drop freedom like America half across the world to some tiny atoll.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

I disagree, long range stealth bombers will be very effective in a naval strike role, or a nuclear strike role. Our nuclear triad is currently more of a dyas, with the aerial strike being a dubious proposition especially against china.

Though probably a downsized B2/upsized ghatak type stealth wing instead of a AMCA V3

Stealth wings will never take the place of a fighter. They are slow, nowhere near maneuverable and are generally not good for raids without a fighter escort. But we need a long range supersonic bomber with a massive standoff payload (30+ tonnes). A Tu-160 like bomber but LO would be ideal. It doesn't have to be as stealthy as a flying wing, just LO and packed with all kinds of sensors and EW package. The Medium sized Ghatak can take on precision strike roles.

 

[stat231]

Did metal cutting not start some 2 years back?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Did metal cutting not start some 2 years back?

I would just wait for aero India or some officials info last I checked someone even tweeted that jigs are in place for amca and all subcomponents are in fabrication so don't take anything seriously yet

 

[MirageBlue]

Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft without using afterburner.

I know what supercruise is..you obviously don't know what supercruise is when you say "why Snecma M-88 was not considered when it has supercruise and F-414 doesnt"..as if an engine has supercruise instead of the airplane that is is powering.

M-88 is a 75 kN afterburning thrust engine and you're saying "it has supercruise" whereas the GE F-414 with 98 kN afterburning thrust does not?!

 

[slayingheaven]

I know what supercruise is..you obviously don't know what supercruise is when you say "why Snecma M-88 was not considered when it has supercruise and F-414 doesnt"..as if an engine has supercruise instead of the airplane that is is powering.

M-88 is a 75 kN afterburning thrust engine and you're saying "it has supercruise" whereas the GE F-414 with 98 kN afterburning thrust does not?!

Why does every deFenSe exfart always look at wet thrust? Its honestly tiring, look at dry thrust, 50kN of M88 vs 57kN of F-414, Supercruise and Afterburner doesn't fit in same sentence. Also your statement is correct, Supercruise is a feature of Plane+Engine combo, not engine itself.

 

[Smoothbore125mm]

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Why does every deFenSe exfart always look at wet thrust? Its honestly tiring, look at dry thrust, 50kN of M88 vs 57kN of F-414, Supercruise and Afterburner doesn't fit in same sentence. Also your statement is correct, Supercruise is a feature of Plane+Engine combo, not engine itself.

also rafale is a small'er' aircraft so it require more compact engines m88 weight is 890kg vs 1100 of f414 it also shorter thinner than that of f414