2024 US Presidential Elections

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Not possible even in 2038! You need the multi-billionaires and the GOP machinery behind you to pose a serious challenge, Vivek is an outsider, and he is not going to get that backing. Sure, Trump too was an outsider in 2015 but so shocking was his primary win that the party had no choice but to back him, they are not going to make the same mistake again.

Vivek is trying to get a cabinet position in the unlikely scenario Trump wins the Presidency again. He really should have been the middle-ground, sensible conservative candidate instead of trying to outdo Trump in Trumpism! The reason Niki Haley is rising is because she held her own and comes across as a moderate, a key element to win over independents,women, minorities and moderates.
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Only reason Nikki rising is she made a deal with deep state actors, specially big Cos and weapon maker gangs etc.
 
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ovalpiston said:
Not possible even in 2038! You need the multi-billionaires and the GOP machinery behind you to pose a serious challenge, Vivek is an outsider, and he is not going to get that backing. Sure, Trump too was an outsider in 2015 but so shocking was his primary win that the party had no choice but to back him, they are not going to make the same mistake again.

Vivek is trying to get a cabinet position in the unlikely scenario Trump wins the Presidency again. He really should have been the middle-ground, sensible conservative candidate instead of trying to outdo Trump in Trumpism! The reason Niki Haley is rising is because she held her own and comes across as a moderate, a key element to win over independents,women, minorities and moderates.
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the only potential voters for nikki haley are democrats. Vivek is going to get votes from libertarian, moderate D and R and young voters. He will come 2nd in Iowa. After yesterday Trump FBI building post, Vivek got a good chunk of smarter side of maga votes mostly the patriots, veterans.
 
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aim120 said:
the only potential voters for nikki haley are democrats. Vivek is going to get votes from libertarian, moderate D and R and young voters. He will come 2nd in Iowa. After yesterday Trump FBI building post, Vivek got a good chunk of smarter side of maga votes mostly the patriots, veterans.
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That's where the problem lies, he is anything but a moderate, and nothing he has said so far would endear him among moderates, independents or young voters. Analyze Biden's win in 2020 and there lies the answer. He had no plans to run until he was convinced to run by Obama and the establishment DNC cartel, and once he joined the race he started winning the key primaries because voters saw him as a seasoned politician who is also a centrist/moderate compared to the hard leftists like Sanders and Warren.

Keeping aside Trump's prospects (judicial and political), a Republican candidate with a realistic chance of beating anyone Democrats nominate will have to be a moderate, in the current partisan political environment, it is mathematically impossible to win unless you win over independents, moderates and women. This is why Trump has cost GOP four election cycles in a row now, including 2022 midterms which favored the Republicans heavily until the elections but in the end they lost key senate races, three gubernatorials and nearly the house , which they most likely will lose this year before the elections.
 
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Vivek should lie. Say he supports war with Russia. Say he will spend 100 trillion dollars on war in Ukraine. Sure he will win GOP nomination.
 
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ovalpiston said:
That's where the problem lies, he is anything but a moderate, and nothing he has said so far would endear him among moderates, independents or young voters. Analyze Biden's win in 2020 and there lies the answer. He had no plans to run until he was convinced to run by Obama and the establishment DNC cartel, and once he joined the race he started winning the key primaries because voters saw him as a seasoned politician who is also a centrist/moderate compared to the hard leftists like Sanders and Warren.

Keeping aside Trump's prospects (judicial and political), a Republican candidate with a realistic chance of beating anyone Democrats nominate will have to be a moderate, in the current partisan political environment, it is mathematically impossible to win unless you win over independents, moderates and women. This is why Trump has cost GOP four election cycles in a row now, including 2022 midterms which favored the Republicans heavily until the elections but in the end they lost key senate races, three gubernatorials and nearly the house , which they most likely will lose this year before the elections.
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This is not 2020 again, Elon changed the course of history. Vivek is outworking everyone, the polls are wrong. Among republican primary voters Vivek is second. People in Nikki haley event where asked who will they vote for if Nikki is the nominee not a single person said they would vote for Trump and that they would vote for Biden. No sane person with a brain cell unless they are the loony bin left will vote for Biden. The fact that they are means Nikki Haley voters are just democrats switching to republican to vote for her.

Vivek is getting much higher support from younger people and veterans, Libertarians. Most of his voters are fired up to vote for the first time and they have not been polled.
 
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Vivek can "outwork" anyone but without funds, GOP machinery and winning primaries, he just another "also ran". Most people see him as a brown, wannabe Trump, and this is why I said both him and DeSantis made a mistake trying to emulate Trump's show without Trump! Nikki Haley's rise is because she held her own independent position, came across as a sane, middle-ground, old school conservative with a chance to win over women, moderates and independents.

Here is the latest Republican national polls, keeping Trump aside the only one in an upward trajectory is Nikki Haley, Ramaswamy is a distant fourth.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/?ex_cid=abcpromo

And GOP machinery is already at work to cut his sails by excluding him from the next debate. His best bet is a cabinet position if Trump wins, but it would take nothing short of a miracle for Trump to win!
 
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ovalpiston said:
Vivek can "outwork" anyone but without funds, GOP machinery and winning primaries, he just another "also ran". Most people see him as a brown, wannabe Trump, and this is why I said both him and DeSantis made a mistake trying to emulate Trump's show without Trump!

Here is the latest Republican national polls, keeping Trump aside the only one in an upward trajectory is Nikki Haley, Ramaswamy is a distant fourth.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/?ex_cid=abcpromo

And GOP machinery is already at work to cut his sails by excluding him from the next debate. His best bet is a cabinet position if Trump wins, but it would take nothing short of a miracle for Trump to win!
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"without funds, GOP machinery and winning primaries, he just another "also ran"."
Didn't learn anything from 2016.

"Nikki Haley's rise is because she held her own independent position, came across as a sane, middle-ground, old school conservative with a chance to win over women, moderates and independents."
And that's just the problem. Republicans - core voters, not the college educated liberal women - don't want another "middle ground" who is basically just a Democrat in disguise.
And the fact that mainstream media etc in the US considers someone to be "sane" who advocates supporting Ukraine with no clue about the country, corrupt, no fresh ideas, part of the same entrenched, privileged elite, etc ...simply shows how out of touch they are with ordinary Americans.
 
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ovalpiston said:
Vivek can "outwork" anyone but without funds, GOP machinery and winning primaries, he just another "also ran". Most people see him as a brown, wannabe Trump, and this is why I said both him and DeSantis made a mistake trying to emulate Trump's show without Trump! Nikki Haley's rise is because she held her own independent position, came across as a sane, middle-ground, old school conservative with a chance to win over women, moderates and independents.

Here is the latest Republican national polls, keeping Trump aside the only one in an upward trajectory is Nikki Haley, Ramaswamy is a distant fourth.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/national/?ex_cid=abcpromo

And GOP machinery is already at work to cut his sails by excluding him from the next debate. His best bet is a cabinet position if Trump wins, but it would take nothing short of a miracle for Trump to win!
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RFK is doing it without democrat party funds and Vivek is doing it with his own money. In december Vivek spent 6k USD on TV ads where as Nikki halley spent around 6 million in tv ads.
As far as polls, the same poll that said Trump loosing in 2016, look at every metric Vivek Leads including republican probable primary voters compared to Nikki voters who are all just Biden voters who have nothing to do with todays Republican party save for the old school neocon part of wing and Boomers.

RFK said he is not doing well with boomers and his main support comes from younger crowd. The reason he gave was that the boomers get the news from MSM. Even Trump support drops with boomers according to Charlie kirk based on the their poll data. Same reason boomers get news from msm. Same holds true for Vivek but that is why he is doing that many events, children and youth are dragging their boomer era parents to Vivek events including registered democrats, independents, lots of woman both yound and old attend his events.

Nikki would probably be a better Democrat candidate. Since she that far off the Republican base.
 
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