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Re: 11/10/13: 10 Sikh Light Infantry officers and jawans clash, 3 inju
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You claim SIKH LI soldiers refused to fight and ergo are timid; when the story (and the headlines) explicitly say NCOs and COs clashed ?
Are you suggesting they were doing Air Battles ?
Circular Logic much.
And if you do hold the refusal of a NCO to fight against a CO, as proof of timidness of a people; then you are applying circular logic, because there was an ensuring brawl.
In short you are wrong, so wrong.
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Jokes aside, this is your opinion and you are welcome to it. Most won't subscribe to it.
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"In February 1764, a body of 30,000 Sikhs under the command of Baghel Singh (Named Tes Hazari after his attack) and other leading warriors crossed the Yamuna and captured Saharanpur. They overran the territory of Najib ud-Daulah, the Ruhila chief, acquiring from him a tribute of eleven lakh of rupees (INR 1,100,000). In April 1775, Baghel Singh with two other sardars (Rai Singh Bhangi and Tara Singh Ghaiba) crossed the Yamuna to occupy that country, which was then ruled by Zabita Khan, who was the son and successor of Najib ud-Daulah. Zabita Khan in desperation offered Baghel Singh large sums of money and proposed an alliance to jointly plunder the crown lands. Sardar Baghel Singh set up an octroi-post near Sabzi Mandi to collect the tax on the goods imported into the city to finance the search and the construction of the Sikh Temples. (He did not want to use the cash received from the Government Treasury for this purpose, and most of that was handed out to the needy and poor. He often distributed sweetmeats bought out of this government gift to the congregationalists at the place which is now known as the Pul Mithai.) In March 1776, they defeated the imperial forces of Mughal emperor, Shah Alam II near Muzaffarnagar. The whole of the Yamuna Gangetic Doab was now at their mercy.
On 11 March 1783, when the Sikhs entered the Red Fort in Delhi and occupied the Diwani-Am, the Mughal emperor Shah Alam II made a settlement with them agreeing to allow Baghel Singh to raise gurdwaras on Sikh historical sites in the city and receive six annas in a rupee (37.5%) of all the octroi duties in the capital. Baghel Singh stayed in Sabzi Mandi with 4000 troops and took charge of the police station in Chandni Chowk. He located seven sites connected with the lives of the Gurus and had shrines raised thereon within the space of eight months, from April to November 1783. Gurdwara Sis Ganj marked the spot in the main Mughal street of Chandni Chowk where Guru Tegh Bahadur had been executed under the fiat of the emperor and Gurdwara Rakab Ganj Sahib, near modern day Parliament House, where the body was cremated. Bangla Sahib and Bala Sahib commemorated the Eighth Guru, Guru Har Krishan. Three other gurdwaras were built at Majnu ka Tilla, Moti Bagh, and Telivara."
What is more epic than this ?
They whooped Mughal King, and taxed him, and then made him destroy mosques standing over historic Sikh grounds, and built Gurudwaras instead.
And there were no Sikh "Kings" at the time, there were Misldars. It was Ranjit Singh of Sukerchakia Misl who unified them under his command and started the Khalsa Raj.
Khalsaraj fought against the British till the last (Dogra treachery did them in).
Crown raj came to India in 1858. You have conflated timelines.
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I absolutely support the role of Sikhs, Dogras, Gurkhas, Pathans etc. in putting down the 1857 revolt. It was a last ditch attempt by Mughal "backside lickers" to assert an Islamic Rule.
No Sikh would've agree to fight under the Mughal Flag and I fully endorse their role in putting down this revolution.
Confirmation Bias.So it clearly proves my point of view.
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Maybe you have not read the story, in your haste to put down the Sikhs.Timid soldiers refusing to fight that too from SikhLI.
You claim SIKH LI soldiers refused to fight and ergo are timid; when the story (and the headlines) explicitly say NCOs and COs clashed ?
Are you suggesting they were doing Air Battles ?
Circular Logic much.
And if you do hold the refusal of a NCO to fight against a CO, as proof of timidness of a people; then you are applying circular logic, because there was an ensuring brawl.
In short you are wrong, so wrong.
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You always knew, implies you have held this belief for a very long time, and just needed an incident to confirm it. (Confirmation Bias).I always knew that Sikhs of India are overblown fighters.
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What do you mean by the term self killings ? Suicide, fratricide ?Good for nothing except self killings.
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Hope more Goris know about her backside liking skills. I would love to start with Candice Swanepoel.Good for ceremonial duties and and best for licking the backsides of Goraas.
Jokes aside, this is your opinion and you are welcome to it. Most won't subscribe to it.
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Sir, I am afraid you just shot yourself in the foot...In Delhi, Tis Hazaazi is named after the 30k sikh soldiers who were posted to Delhi by third rate sikh kings of Punjab to support British in keeping India under British rule.
"In February 1764, a body of 30,000 Sikhs under the command of Baghel Singh (Named Tes Hazari after his attack) and other leading warriors crossed the Yamuna and captured Saharanpur. They overran the territory of Najib ud-Daulah, the Ruhila chief, acquiring from him a tribute of eleven lakh of rupees (INR 1,100,000). In April 1775, Baghel Singh with two other sardars (Rai Singh Bhangi and Tara Singh Ghaiba) crossed the Yamuna to occupy that country, which was then ruled by Zabita Khan, who was the son and successor of Najib ud-Daulah. Zabita Khan in desperation offered Baghel Singh large sums of money and proposed an alliance to jointly plunder the crown lands. Sardar Baghel Singh set up an octroi-post near Sabzi Mandi to collect the tax on the goods imported into the city to finance the search and the construction of the Sikh Temples. (He did not want to use the cash received from the Government Treasury for this purpose, and most of that was handed out to the needy and poor. He often distributed sweetmeats bought out of this government gift to the congregationalists at the place which is now known as the Pul Mithai.) In March 1776, they defeated the imperial forces of Mughal emperor, Shah Alam II near Muzaffarnagar. The whole of the Yamuna Gangetic Doab was now at their mercy.
On 11 March 1783, when the Sikhs entered the Red Fort in Delhi and occupied the Diwani-Am, the Mughal emperor Shah Alam II made a settlement with them agreeing to allow Baghel Singh to raise gurdwaras on Sikh historical sites in the city and receive six annas in a rupee (37.5%) of all the octroi duties in the capital. Baghel Singh stayed in Sabzi Mandi with 4000 troops and took charge of the police station in Chandni Chowk. He located seven sites connected with the lives of the Gurus and had shrines raised thereon within the space of eight months, from April to November 1783. Gurdwara Sis Ganj marked the spot in the main Mughal street of Chandni Chowk where Guru Tegh Bahadur had been executed under the fiat of the emperor and Gurdwara Rakab Ganj Sahib, near modern day Parliament House, where the body was cremated. Bangla Sahib and Bala Sahib commemorated the Eighth Guru, Guru Har Krishan. Three other gurdwaras were built at Majnu ka Tilla, Moti Bagh, and Telivara."
What is more epic than this ?
They whooped Mughal King, and taxed him, and then made him destroy mosques standing over historic Sikh grounds, and built Gurudwaras instead.
And there were no Sikh "Kings" at the time, there were Misldars. It was Ranjit Singh of Sukerchakia Misl who unified them under his command and started the Khalsa Raj.
Khalsaraj fought against the British till the last (Dogra treachery did them in).
Crown raj came to India in 1858. You have conflated timelines.
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Do you know why 1857 failed? Sikhs gave shelter to english under Maharaja of Patiala and who supported them. The englishmen were given shelter by that bastard who even took out guns from sutlej river and gave them to british to defeat the nationalists.
I absolutely support the role of Sikhs, Dogras, Gurkhas, Pathans etc. in putting down the 1857 revolt. It was a last ditch attempt by Mughal "backside lickers" to assert an Islamic Rule.
No Sikh would've agree to fight under the Mughal Flag and I fully endorse their role in putting down this revolution.