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  1. p2prada

    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Is there no active seeker on the missile? The lack of one doessn't make it an anti-ship missile, it makes it a land attack missile as I had originally claimed. A 50m CEP for satellite guidance gives it roughly the same capability as what the Russians had in the '80s.
  2. p2prada

    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    No. SIPRI's information is quite reliable and info is also provided by European govt sources. JF-17 deliveries of 61 may be true, but that only comprises the Chinese supply of fuselage, engines and other parts. The rest of the aircraft will still have to be manufactured in Pakistan and then...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    It's 50 aircraft. Your 51st aircraft will be a block 2. Prototypes don't count. While I am not a big fan of the LCA, I am not a big fan of the JF-17 either. JF-17 has the same ground to cover. Kaveri program itself is going favourably, it simply has lot it's utility in the LCA program. It...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    PAF has ordered 600 SD-10 900 PL-5E 750 each of LS-3, LS-6 and LT-2 80 C-802 and 50 CM-400AKG I think the BVR and WVR missile deliveries will complete along with the induction of 50 Block 2 aircraft. The first batch of bombs are being delivered.
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    HF-24. I agree with Gnat, Jaguar and MKI. But Ajeet was a major modification, quite like converting a Gripen C to a Gripen Demo. HF-24 was an entirely indigenous project, only the engine was imported. PAC hasn't even done anything close to what HAL has done. Come on, CAC is doing all...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    This kinda comparison won't work against HAL. HAL has made thousands of aircraft, many from scratch too. Namely HF-24, Gnats, Jaguars, Ajeet and even MKI. HF-24 Marut's production line was set up independently. PAC is still far away from serial production using raw materials. It is a...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    You are underestimating HAL here. Just because the Pakistanis managed to assemble 40-50 JF-17s doesn't mean they trumped HAL. Let's not forget HAL's other projects. Apart from that the other LCA prototypes were all made by HAL, all hand made from scratch compared to PAC's assembly from...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    It is not just one parameter or another. It is about all parameters and their relationship between them. Read up interviews of Mirage-2000 pilots and they will tell you that they cannot get into long drawn dog fights. They need to end it quickly or it will end badly. Every single 4th gen...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    So what? It cannot be sustained. It doesn't make sense for LCA to stay in such a fight like the F-16. Kill or get out, that's the mantra for LCA. Even after ITR, loop, yo-yo etc LCA will bleed more energy than, say, JF-17. To regain energy everytime, LCA will have to either resort to full...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Don't think of LCA as an unstable aircraft and hence a very good dog fighter. With a STR of 17 deg the aircraft should never allow itself to get into a turning fight. It should be like the Mirage-2000, get the first missile in and try to get the second one in if the first misses. Or get the hell...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Yeah, very accurate. A single engine in the RD-93 class cannot power AESA. It is the same for LCA Mk1 as well. It is practically impossible. Only with a new engine can the JF-17 be able to power an AESA. The current powerplant on both F-404 and RD-93 is of the 30-40KVA class. On Mk2 the...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    It depends on what you are comparing to. Are you comparing digital vs analog or merely FBW vs mechanical or hydraulics? FBW allows the pilot to control the moving surfaces of the aircraft electrically, while mechanical or hydraulics is similar to what you will find in old car steering wheels...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Merely the timeline, level of tech maturity on both sides, similar size of the airframe, engine capacity. Both aircraft won't be Gripen NG and both aircraft are touted to have 5th gen technology like AESA and internal EW suite which make them very similar.
  14. p2prada

    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    B2 with the 9300Kgf engine is equivalent to our LCA Mk1. B3 will be equivalent to LCA Mk2. This is kind of at the same level as what we have on LCA mk1. It can be done. Depends on how much they are willing to spend. They can do it in a major way on the B3. B2 and B1 can be...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Not exactly. IIRC, news reports changed figures from "greater than" 90KN to 95-100KN. Today it may be 110KN, which is still unreported. But how much more can you possibly improve from the original requirement of 17 deg, the basic design is still the same. You want to improve it to 19deg, like...
  16. p2prada

    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    5 tonnes is official data. Due to some extra requirements for strike capability. That doesn't say much. Even LCA will be tested with Kaveri in the next two years. Doesn't mean the program itself is successful. We need production fighters with WS-13A. The FGFA may have much better overall...
  17. p2prada

    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Cockpits are of personal preferences of the air force. IAF will have one design for FGFA while the Russians will use their own on PAKFA. So two cockpit designs exist for PAKFA. As long as whatever they have planned as a second stage engine works out. With the RD-93 on J-31 and AL-31 on...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    If we look at the IAF Chief's remarks during IOC-1, he said LCA Mk2 will fall short of Gripen NG. In terms of raw data, LCA Mk1 was supposed to do a 17 deg STR and around 28-29deg ITR. F-16 does 20 deg STR, Mirage-2000 does 19 deg STR, Rafale, Gripen and EF are in the 21-22.5 deg STR range...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV However, the difference is JF-17, J-10 are flying today while LCA Mk2 will come when the J-20 and J-31 will be flying. Hence the threat perception has made a significant turn. Today our aircraft are better than what PLAAF has today. What we have planned for LCA Mk2...
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    LCA Tejas vs JF-17 Thunder

    Re: ADA LCA Tejas - IV In terms of relevance. LCA Mk2 isn't equivalent to a EF, Gripen NG or Rafale. It is aerodynamically equivalent to a Mirage-2000 while being as advanced as the F-16V (stopgap upgrade program for USAF because of F-35 delays). Not the Block 60, though. That's a completely...
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