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I go by the ground conditions and I don't trust DRDO. I would not like to open the pandoras box but almost all DRDO programs have benefited from foreign assistance and substantial amount of imports. The only way in the future is joint development and later when we are able to, we can become lead...

We have a third option - Joint Development.

I believe orders for more Arjuns will be placed if they have already not been placed. And since you know how the system works yet you trust DRDO with a NG MBT?

Absolutely false. Army purchased T90 in response to T80 acquisition. Not as a stop gap for a generic requirement. How was the Army to know that Arjun would finally succeed after over 30 years in development ? And with the sanctions placed after nuclear tests. I would not like to speculate on...

Battle of Asal Uttar ? On-paper dilettante comparison means nothing in the real world. IA and PA both know that. T95's been scraped ergo Arjun. And I have explained why this is a good decision in my posts Except issues with some non-Russian components I have not heard of any major issues...

Absolutely logical fallacies. 1. You fail an exam, then again fail an exam but on the third attempt pass. Does it mean you had passed in earlier attempts ? 2. How does it matter if Arjun is the most superior tank in the world. Your enemy is armed with sticks, would you use nuclear weapons...

Your whole argument is valid if and only if T90 was inferior to Pak MBTs. However it is not. And any onpaper deficiency that you can come up with will be negated by the sheer numbers of Armor we operate or opinions of Army officers (I have a on-record general's statement on T90s capability)...

Let me impress upon you the Army's urgency and nervousness. PA was upgrading Armor, PA had bought T80s. Arjun was ~3 decades into development and still nowhere in sight. T90 was the most logical option. More T90s were again ordered only when Arjun failed to impress. Again it was a logical...

I am always insisting that T90 is good. You can interpret this is in any way. Armed forces have to make do with what they have. If they wouldn't have ordered T90 back in the day and if we had to fight a war today ? And T90 is a damn fine tank.And sufficient as well. And Greater...

Interesting developments - Timeline Perspective 70s-90s Arjun programme initiated T72 ordered 90s-00s Arjun nowhere in sight. Pak orders T80. T90 ordered. 00s Arjun fails trials More T90 ordered. Arjun fails trials Call for NG MBT with Russia T72 upgrade ordered Russia...

A most unfortunate baseless accusation. I never said anything about individuals who support Arjun but it is my belief that the 3 sources I mentioned are biased in favour of DRDO. And its not easy for me to sift wheat from the chaff and make an honest decision, because I am not an expert in...

Whoa so many responses... will take me time to answer all of them. PS: FrontierIndia, Ajai Shukla and Shiv Aroor are not exactly known for their non-partisan views on the Arjun vs T90 debate.

Wrong. Arjun failed its last trials. 124 were ordered under pressure. The low production was due to ToT issues which were resolved. Horse Puckey by DRDO to save its hide. Army didn't even dignify DRDO's allegations. http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/21russia.htm...

I don't follow you argument. To reiterate my question - What's wrong with JVs and ToTs ? Why concentrate on indigenous and setup ourselves for failure ? Old Joke applicable to India. In 1970 I started saving money for a new Cadillac. Iin 2010 I saved enough to buy a 1970 Cadillac. And 1970...

Wrong perspective, New Arjuns cost close to 20 crores per unit. Upgradation cost of T-72s will come out to be 5 crores per unit. It makes more economic sense to upgrade. Arjun is not even complete now. India ordered T90 a decade back and by the end of the year will operate perhaps close...

These 2 accounts count for nothing. Both have been roped in by the DRDO imho. Notice how they have been insinuating that Army is corrupt, DRDO innocent and rely on unnamed sources. Nothing they have is on record. That comparision chart counts for nada. I just saw an ad today where a DC modified...

All these tanks have been in service for years whereas Arjun still undergoing "trials". And yes you can and must compare Arjun and T90s because both are competing for the role of MBT in the IA.

We all are going to believe Col Shukla now ? The same guy who was anti-DRDO once upon a time. Gentlemen, the stakes are high, and DRDO is trying to salvage its reputation. I maintain Army knows better. And not to forget 1000s of T-90 are already in production, whereas Arjun is still undergoing...

1. I said that Indians don't pin great hopes on a Tank, and your sentiment is scarcely similar to our sentiment in this regard. 2. I am comparing the F-22 and Arjun programme. F-22 is a brilliant plane and Arjun is a brilliant Tank. Yet they are not being inducted in huge numbers. 3. or...

Your reading of the topic is all wrong. Arjun is not a fundamental requirement of our national security. Convoluted logic. Why is USAF not buying more F-22s ? You have forgotten to take into account certain fundamental facts. For eg. 1. Logistics - Arjun is a heavier and wider tank. T-90...