Is China the World’s New Colonial Power?

[raheel besharam]

i think sartaj aziz is in very center

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Look at the signalling from China. Signalling is everything. They are sending us a message that they are fully behind Pakiland and we can do no sh**. This is the new arrogance of power. And US is like a wounded tiger running with tail between its legs. Pakis as usual have found a benefactor to spite on India. Let me say that if Paki problem has to be solved by nukes, lets solve it by nukes.

 

[Krusty]

This is nothing less than China taking stance in the Kashmir issue. Now both USA and China are backing Pakistans stance on Kashmir by signing up for OBOR.

Better than India sees this and stop kissing upto USA.

 

[amoy]

OBOR is becoming a catch-all phrase. Everything can be wrapped in the "Silk Roade" package. Many positive goings across the Pacific.

US companies 'ready' to get on China's One Belt, One Road: White House adviser
White House adviser Matt Pottinger, who is leading the US delegation at the Belt and Road Forum in Beijing, China has said American firms are prepared to take part in the initiative.

BEIJING (AFP) - US companies are ready to get involved in China’s Silk Road project, an American official said Sunday (May 14), as Washington strikes an increasingly cooperative tone with its biggest trade rival.

President Donald Trump was scathing about China’s trade policies on the campaign trail, but relations have warmed in recent weeks as the US leader softens his stance.

At an international summit in Beijing showcasing China’s ambitious One Belt, One Road initiative, US delegate Matt Pottinger said American companies had “much to offer” the project.


US signs LNG export deal with China
Article posted by Pipeline Staff. | Sunday, 14 May 2017 07:35
President Trump struck a deal with China to export more natural gas from the United States, according to a joint statement issued late last night by the Commerce Department and the Asian power.

"The United States welcomes China, as well as any of our trading partners, to receive imports of [liquefied natural gas] from the United States," according to the agreement, which is being called the "100 day plan."

The plan said the US "treats China no less favorably" than any of its other partners in authorising natural gas shipments from the US to Chinese ports. "Companies from China may proceed at any time to negotiate all types of contractual arrangement with US LNG exporters, including long-term contracts, subject to the commercial considerations of the parties," it said.

The plan said that as of April 25, the Department of Energy had authorised 19.2 billion cubic feet per day of natural gas exports to non-free trade agreement countries. The natural gas industry wants to create new markets in the wake of the nation's shale gas and oil boom as a result of fracking. The increased production has made the US a global oil and gas leader.

The deal between US and China has the potential to alter global LNG trade, opening the door of the world’s largest LNG growth market to the world’s fastest-growing LNG supplier. It also helps Trump address trade imbalances with China to create a more equitable arrangement for both countries.

"The wider agreement represents a win for both sides," said Massimo Di-Odoardo, head of natural gas research with global consulting firm Wood Mackenzie. "It allows President Trump to deliver on his pledge of redressing global trade imbalances and China to show its commitment to becoming an equal trade partner."

He said until recently Chinese buyers have not bought long-term natural gas supplies directly from the United States. The new 100-day plan "ensures US LNG entering the Chinese market will be politically palatable."

Di-Odoardo added that the agreement "connects the US, the fastest growing LNG supplier, with China, the largest LNG growth market." Demand for liquefied natural gas is expected to triple in China by 2030, providing the US an opportunity to grab a slice of an estimated $26 billion-per-year market, Di-Odoardo said.

However, the deal with put pressure on competitor including Australia, East Africa and Canada, he said. “Whether Chinese buyers line up for a second wave of US LNG will depend on its competitiveness versus other global alternatives and Chinese buyer appetite for exposure to US gas prices,” he said.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

OBOR is becoming a catch-all phrase. Everything can be wrapped in the "Silk Roade" package. Many positive goings across the Pacific.


US companies 'ready' to get on China's One Belt, One Road: White House adviser
White House adviser Matt Pottinger, who is leading the US delegation at the Belt and Road Forum in Beijing, China has said American firms are prepared to take part in the initiative.

BEIJING (AFP) - US companies are ready to get involved in China’s Silk Road project, an American official said Sunday (May 14), as Washington strikes an increasingly cooperative tone with its biggest trade rival.

President Donald Trump was scathing about China’s trade policies on the campaign trail, but relations have warmed in recent weeks as the US leader softens his stance.

At an international summit in Beijing showcasing China’s ambitious One Belt, One Road initiative, US delegate Matt Pottinger said American companies had “much to offer” the project.


US signs LNG export deal with China
Article posted by Pipeline Staff. | Sunday, 14 May 2017 07:35

President Trump struck a deal with China to export more natural gas from the United States, according to a joint statement issued late last night by the Commerce Department and the Asian power.

"The United States welcomes China, as well as any of our trading partners, to receive imports of [liquefied natural gas] from the United States," according to the agreement, which is being called the "100 day plan."

The plan said the US "treats China no less favorably" than any of its other partners in authorising natural gas shipments from the US to Chinese ports. "Companies from China may proceed at any time to negotiate all types of contractual arrangement with US LNG exporters, including long-term contracts, subject to the commercial considerations of the parties," it said.

The plan said that as of April 25, the Department of Energy had authorised 19.2 billion cubic feet per day of natural gas exports to non-free trade agreement countries. The natural gas industry wants to create new markets in the wake of the nation's shale gas and oil boom as a result of fracking. The increased production has made the US a global oil and gas leader.

The deal between US and China has the potential to alter global LNG trade, opening the door of the world’s largest LNG growth market to the world’s fastest-growing LNG supplier. It also helps Trump address trade imbalances with China to create a more equitable arrangement for both countries.

"The wider agreement represents a win for both sides," said Massimo Di-Odoardo, head of natural gas research with global consulting firm Wood Mackenzie. "It allows President Trump to deliver on his pledge of redressing global trade imbalances and China to show its commitment to becoming an equal trade partner."

He said until recently Chinese buyers have not bought long-term natural gas supplies directly from the United States. The new 100-day plan "ensures US LNG entering the Chinese market will be politically palatable."

Di-Odoardo added that the agreement "connects the US, the fastest growing LNG supplier, with China, the largest LNG growth market." Demand for liquefied natural gas is expected to triple in China by 2030, providing the US an opportunity to grab a slice of an estimated $26 billion-per-year market, Di-Odoardo said.

However, the deal with put pressure on competitor including Australia, East Africa and Canada, he said. “Whether Chinese buyers line up for a second wave of US LNG will depend on its competitiveness versus other global alternatives and Chinese buyer appetite for exposure to US gas prices,” he said.

It seems OBOR is the new red book of Mao and chinese populace as usual will throw themselves at emperor Xi's feet.All hail the new Mao

 

[amoy]

It seems OBOR is the new red book of Mao and chinese populace as usual will throw themselves at emperor Xi's feet.All hail the new Mao

Seriously I think Xi is the best after Mao and Deng, among all the PRC top leaders.

If u do read what Mao and Deng predicted, u would understand they were great visionary strategists. Xi ranks behind them as No.3.

Anything positive for Sino-US relations is good for the world peace & prosperity.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Seriously I think Xi is the best after Mao and Deng, among all the PRC top leaders.

If u do read what Mao and Deng predicted, u would understand they were great visionary strategists. Xi ranks behind them as No.3.




Anything positive for Sino-US relations is good for the world peace & prosperity.

Lol, I dont know what to say to the deluded Chinese. China's best and only great leader was Deng Xiao Ping. Rest are all foolish and Xi is the biggest fool of them all. By going wholesale with the OBOR which is centered in the Islamic heartland, Xi is signalling that China's great power status will pass through alliance with Islam much like Hitler sealed his fate by aligning with Japan. Islamic world especially unstable states like Pakistan will take the world to WW3 and loosers will be those who allign with islam in WW3. I dont see CCP surviving the coming great war. Off course nor will democracies but china will only enjoy a decade or more of superpowerdom on back of Pakiland before it meets its familiar defeat.

 

[amoy]

There are more Indian business in Nigeria than the Chinese. If you walk into many big Nigerian companies, knock at the MD office door and enter, you would very likely find an Indian CEO sitting there. Chinese companies are mainly in the field of telecom and civil engineering. Incidently, huge Chinese group Huawei is building the 4G optics in Nigeria, but it subcontracts the job of laying the optics cable to Indian companies here. All these are welcome by Nigerian as it is affordable in doing this way. The West had been here for long time but done little.

Let's do justice to the West.

Had the West not ruled Nigeria (and Africa at large, Arabia, Latin America, Indian subcont.), there wouldn't have been a country called Nigeria. Instead there would have been (and still are) countless warring tribes enslaving each other. Up to date Nigerians may still be putting their tribe / sect above the modern nation state.

English (or French) at least for one has become one of their legacies. Good for their literacy + civilization.

And African elite class are mostly educated in their previous colonial power either Britain or France, and are still sending their children to the West (then back for ruling again).

From our childhood we've been told how evil colonialism was, and imperialism... All sorts of leftist platitudes of self-victimizing. BUT, look back what they've made of their own countries after former colonial powers were gone?

Another side to the story of colonialism!

 

[leap-x]

Seriously I think Xi is the best after Mao and Deng, among all the PRC topIf u do read what Mao and Deng predicted, u would understand they were great visionary strategists. Xi ranks behind them as No.3.

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It is too early to jump into conclusion. Maybe 50 years or even 100 years will tell better.

Mao was still a figure in mist. A genius,best manipulator of power，best strategist ,ruthless dictator，romantic poet，passionate patriot.He was a figure of so many layers and so much contradiction. Even with what he did during the cultural revolution，he remains one of the greatest figure all long Chinese history.Foreigner's comments on Mao usually make me speechless. We don't even know him，how could they？

Bsically we all love Deng,wise,practical,firm inside but more flexible outside.He ended the mess of cultural revolution with a simple conclusion on Mao:30% mistake,70% credit.why didn't dig deeper? China need to move on to catch up.He was right.

I have nothing to say about Hu and Xi(as I said, too early).I think Jiang should take a lot credit for leading China through some difficult time(collapse of Soviet union,Taiwang)with a weak military force.

 

[leap-x]

Let's do justice to the West.

Had the West not ruled Nigeria (and Africa at large, Arabia, Latin America, Indian subcont.), there wouldn't have been a country called Nigeria. Instead there would have been (and still are) countless warring tribes enslaving each other. Up to date Nigerians may still be putting their tribe / sect above the modern nation state.

English (or French) at least for one has become one of their legacies. Good for their literacy + civilization.

And African elite class are mostly educated in their previous colonial power either Britain or France, and are still sending their children to the West (then back for ruling again).

From our childhood we've been told how evil colonialism was, and imperialism... All sorts of leftist platitudes of self-victimizing. BUT, look back what they've made of their own countries after former colonial powers were gone?

Another side to the story of colonialism!

So catching African as slaves to give their descendants opportunity to freedom,democracy and social welfare？

 

[Tarun Kumar]

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It is too early to jump into conclusion. Maybe 50 years or even 100 years will tell better.

Mao was still a figure in mist. A genius,best manipulator of power，best strategist ,ruthless dictator，romantic poet，passionate patriot.He was a figure of so many layers and so much contradiction. Even with what he did during the cultural revolution，he remains one of the greatest figure all long Chinese history.Foreigner's comments on Mao usually make me speechless. We don't even know him，how could they？

Bsically we all love Deng,wise,practical,firm inside but more flexible outside.He ended the mess of cultural revolution with a simple conclusion on Mao:30% mistake,70% credit.why didn't dig deeper? China need to move on to catch up.He was right.

I have nothing to say about Hu and Xi(as I said, too early).I think Jiang should take a lot credit for leading China through some difficult time(collapse of Soviet union,Taiwang)with a weak military force.

I dont have words to say. Maybe being ally of Pakiland, even China has been infected with Pakiland's megalomania. Xi will go down in history as last communist ruler of China and a megalomaniac buffoon. His so called silk road project will drain 1 trillion out of Chinese treasury to give loans to good for nothing muslim countries starting with Pakiland who will pay back not even a cent and will not produce even a cent. The only consequence of OBOR will be a Pak/islam China alliance which will take the world to WW3 where China will be in headlong collision with US. China's shrewdest ruler was Deng . he kept quiet, built up China's economic and military muscle, kept China away from spotlight and quietly undermined US and India (by giving nukes to Pakiland and NK). Such a shrewd ruler is not born even in centuries but pity China had him in 1980s not today. Current crop of Chinese rulers are infected by delusion of power. off course we also had our Deng in form of PV Narasimha Rao and since then all rulers have been foolish and current ruler is a megalomaniac.But then we are nowhere in race for superpowerdom and are in conflict with islam

 

[cw2005]

Democracy is a knife. Give it to an artist and he could produce master pieces. Give it to a child and he would cut himself. A developing country like Nigeria needs a good and strong leader, not a bunch of corrupted politician. Many of us feel that this Westernised Democracy is just a sugar coated poison prescribed by the developing nations for the sole purpose of making sure they would not be challenged and maintain their supremacy.

 

[leap-x]

I dont have words to say. Maybe being ally of Pakiland, even China has been infected with Pakiland's megalomania. Xi will go down in history as last communist ruler of China and a megalomaniac buffoon. His so called silk road project will drain 1 trillion out of Chinese treasury to give loans to good for nothing muslim countries starting with Pakiland who will pay back not even a cent and will not produce even a cent. The only consequence of OBOR will be a Pak/islam China alliance which will take the world to WW3 where China will be in headlong collision with US. China's shrewdest ruler was Deng . he kept quiet, built up China's economic and military muscle, kept China away from spotlight and quietly undermined US and India (by giving nukes to Pakiland and NK). Such a shrewd ruler is not born even in centuries but pity China had him in 1980s not today. Current crop of Chinese rulers are infected by delusion of power. off course we also had our Deng in form of PV Narasimha Rao and since then all rulers have been foolish and current ruler is a megalomaniac.But then we are nowhere in race for superpowerdom and are in conflict with islam

another example of knowing nothing， pointing figure everywhere and judging everything.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

another example of knowing nothing， pointing figure everywhere and judging everything.

Lol , there is a saying, look before you leap. This is Great leap forward Part 2 and Chinese as usual are sneering at Indians. Please tell me if I know nothing then why is China suppressing Islam in Xinjiang (by banning names like Mohammad) and building economic corridor in pakistan where even slightest insult or even disagreement of Islam attracts lynching. Is it not contradictory. And do u guys think that Pakiland will produce rivers of milk whith those loans. No they will drag you into their conflict with India. Maybe Chinese are all wise, i respect their civilizational heritage but they have no history of dealing with Muslims like India has over a 1000 years. We are expert oncologists. We know what islam is - a cancer.

 

[nimo_cn]

I dont have words to say. Maybe being ally of Pakiland, even China has been infected with Pakiland's megalomania. Xi will go down in history as last communist ruler of China and a megalomaniac buffoon. His so called silk road project will drain 1 trillion out of Chinese treasury to give loans to good for nothing muslim countries starting with Pakiland who will pay back not even a cent and will not produce even a cent. The only consequence of OBOR will be a Pak/islam China alliance which will take the world to WW3 where China will be in headlong collision with US. China's shrewdest ruler was Deng . he kept quiet, built up China's economic and military muscle, kept China away from spotlight and quietly undermined US and India (by giving nukes to Pakiland and NK). Such a shrewd ruler is not born even in centuries but pity China had him in 1980s not today. Current crop of Chinese rulers are infected by delusion of power. off course we also had our Deng in form of PV Narasimha Rao and since then all rulers have been foolish and current ruler is a megalomaniac.But then we are nowhere in race for superpowerdom and are in conflict with islam

Deng was great, he was smart and pragmatic. when he was taking in charge, china was no. doubt on the edge of bankruptcy. if it was not deng or someone else, China could be totally different.

but let us not deny the foundation that had been laid in the mao era. mao shaped the modern china by constructing infrastructures, improving literacy, liberating females, distributing basic health cares, etc. it's safe to say without mao's groundwork, deng's reformation could not be that successful.

same thing could be said about jiang. jiang is a playboy, best known to Chinese people for his romantic affairs with the beautiful singer Song. but he has done something remarkable, enough to make his reputation in the history of China. he steered china safely throughout several crisises in 1990s, when Chinese economy encountered serious difficulties. all the major defence projects we have been witnessing these years were initiated when jiang was the boss.

to be fair, under CCP's rule, no ordinary people could rise to the top even though he/she was born preceline. everyone of them was capable of doing remarkable if he was the boss under the right circumstance.

 

[cw2005]

Let's do justice to the West.

Had the West not ruled Nigeria (and Africa at large, Arabia, Latin America, Indian subcont.), there wouldn't have been a country called Nigeria. Instead there would have been (and still are) countless warring tribes enslaving each other. Up to date Nigerians may still be putting their tribe / sect above the modern nation state.

English (or French) at least for one has become one of their legacies. Good for their literacy + civilization.

And African elite class are mostly educated in their previous colonial power either Britain or France, and are still sending their children to the West (then back for ruling again).

From our childhood we've been told how evil colonialism was, and imperialism... All sorts of leftist platitudes of self-victimizing. BUT, look back what they've made of their own countries after former colonial powers were gone?

Another side to the story of colonialism!

Your argument is also applicable to India and China too. Current developed cities in China such as Shanghai, Guangzhou, Tianjin, Qingdao, Wuhan, Hong Kong etc. had Colonial Powers' influence. Even one of China's top Universities, Tsinghua has a foreign background. The sole purpose of colonise is to take benefit from the subjects. If the subjects happened be benefit from this relationship, it is not the intention of the occupying masters.

 

[leap-x]

Lol , there is a saying, look before you leap. This is Great leap forward Part 2 and Chinese as usual are sneering at Indians. Please tell me if I know nothing then why is China suppressing Islam in Xinjiang (by banning names like Mohammad) and building economic corridor in pakistan where even slightest insult or even disagreement of Islam attracts lynching. Is it not contradictory. And do u guys think that Pakiland will produce rivers of milk whith those loans. No they will drag you into their conflict with India. Maybe Chinese are all wise, i respect their civilizational heritage but they have no history of dealing with Muslims like India has over a 1000 years. We are expert oncologists. We know what islam is - a cancer.

Sorry for being rude and a smart ass.
It is difficult for a atheist like me to talk about religion. But I still think it is wrong to jump into such a conclusion on Islam.

First, Should Islam considered as a whole？Look at Iran and Saudi Arabia,Iran-Iraq war,civil war of Yemen.I see a lot difference,competition,split even hatred between Islamic countries.Some extremists kill a lot non-muslins，but they killed more muslins.they dont speak for all muslin.

Second, Not all the conflicts is about religion. religion is only the cover for something else, poverty,ignorance etc. Simple question, is Kashmir a problem of religion？I dont think so.

Third, Islamic world is still trying to find its place in the modern world. The more powerful a county become,the more open it will be. Islamic world need change, otherwise they will be leave behind. I think they know that but its is their decision.

China is not a religious contry all the time. Taoism and Buddhism do not have an all mighty god Created the world. Buddha and Lao Tzu told us how to adjust and sublimate in an existing world. Taosim and Buddhism are more like philosophy than religion.Confucianism is the same. there is a famous saying from Confucius： Respect and fear god and ghost but keep them away from our daily life. China will keep religion away from its civil politics as it alway do.