Indian Army’s Myanmar Operation: The Good, The Bad, The Ugly

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  1. Hybrid Content

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    Hi Guys,

    Here's a 3 minute round up and reaction review of the Indian Army's gallant Myanmar Operation. Would love to hear your opinions. http://goo.gl/Rws73k

    Jai Hind
     
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    Army's Myanmar strike: Blindly following the Doval doctrine can make India most dangerous place on Earth
    The use of force or military intervention –held in abeyance since the end of the Second Gulf War-is back in interstate relations. This is demonstrated eloquently by the resort to what can be termed as ‘hot pursuit’ by the elite corps of the Indian Army.
    An elite commando group entered Myanmar territory and eliminated scores of militants. A militant attack on Indian troops in Manipur a few days ago apparently provoked the attack inside Myanmar. Coincidentally, the United States has overcome its reluctance to military intervene against the ISIS and has established a military base in Iraq. These two cases are purely coincidental but suggest that force as an instrument in statecraft is back in international relations. Historically, the use of force in international relations is hedged and qualified.

    The United Nations Charter expressly forbids the use of force in interstate relations. Sovereignty is held to be a cardinal maxim that cannot be violated. This ‘rule’ was breached by the United States after 11 September when the country’s homeland was attacked. The United States retaliated by attacking Iraq, deposing Saddam and occupying the country. The United States over rode International law and went to war under the rubric of pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is legitimated when a state has intelligence regarding the intentions of another (hostile) state and when an attack is imminent.
    The Myanmar hot pursuit appears to have taken a leaf from the United States’ pre-emptive doctrine and attacked militant outfits in Myanmar in defiance of sovereignty and it could be said even international law. The state has gone further and asserted that the Myanmar operation was not an isolated one; it would hold in the future too against hostile states and groups.
    What can be inferred and extrapolated from this activism by the Indian state?
    First, it would appear, India is not reluctant over the projection of force across borders. The architect of this activism, if press reports are to be believed is Ajit Doval, the National Security Advisor to the government. This means that India’s National Security doctrine has undergone a radical shift and departure. It has shifted gears from being reactive to aggressive. The approach meshes and gels with India’s aspirations for regional hegemony.
    Second, at the risk of repetition, it means that force is once again de rigeur in international relations. However, the major insight appears to be that regional hegemons or aspirational regional hegemons will take it upon themselves to settle conflicts and disputes within the ambit of their respective regions. This would be a departure from past practice of taking recourse to pleading with or seeking help from global powers for dispute settlement or conflict resolution. In this sense, force and power projection become the locus around which states settle or arbiter their conflicts and from a broader perspective and canvas accrues from United States’ relative decline and even quasi isolationism.
    The third point that flows from this is the 'security dilemma' and the attendant arms races become prominent again. The security dilemma is a spiral that accrues when one state’s attempts to maximize security and power induces the other state or states to do the same. Arms racing are a natural concomitant to the security dilemma. The world or at least the South Asian region is then back to square one. The region now risks being a heavily militarized region with potential implications for the alliance system(s) in the region.
    All this suggests a bleak future for the subcontinent. But the major consequences will be between archrivals India and Pakistan. Will the Doval doctrine and the signaling inherent in it make Pakistan cower?
    Unlikely is the answer. The Pakistani state is primed for conflict with India. And toward this end, Pakistan to gain parity with India has acquired nuclear weapons. This neutralizes India's superiority in conventional forces and leads to a deterrence paradigm between the two countries. So India is unlikely to replicate the Myanmar experience with Pakistan unless it wants to disturb and throw out of kilter the deterrence balance that holds. Disturbing this would axiomatically lead to a nuclear conflagration in the region-a prospect that rationality suggests both countries should shy away from. The statements emanating from the Indian state’s defence establishment then are in the nature of rhetoric and posturing.
    Or , in the least, one would hope that it is mere posturing. If , however, there is more to the statements other than signaling, there are reasons for despair. The subcontinent will fall victim to a more militarized rivalry and could well become the 'most dangerous place on the earth'. This is a condition that serves none and should be averted. Prudence then dictates that sobriety and a sense of proportion informs inter state relations both in the subcontinent and the world at large.

    http://www.firstpost.com/world/army...ia-most-dangerous-place-on-earth-2290698.html

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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Do we need new thread?

    Here is this turd Wajahat Qazi who wrote this article since he is scared his brother terrorists might be the next.

    [​IMG]

    Current : Consultant at Jammu and Kashmir Entrepreneurship Development Institute
    Columnist at First Post

    Here is a list of his shitty communal articles...

    http://www.firstpost.com/author/wajahat-qazi
     
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    Seculars are getting uncomfortable! I wish Pakistan increases it defense spending and goes down like former USSR.
     
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    There is only one way to stop terrorism and that is to go after them no matter where they are.. The UN charter can go take a hike, its not been of any use to us. Terrorists don't understand any other language except one of bullets. Pakistan with its low credibility is so scared of India entering their territory that they are flying off the bat with this Myanmar operation. When its 26/11 its about India but when its about surgical strikes, its about the sub-continent suddenly. Where is the bhaichara at other times? Drowned in some ISI linked ex- general's whisky glass perhaps....
     
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    Because Indians have a slave mentality so people believe they will take this shit.
     
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    Bhai, @Rowdy, you tag me on useless Sex stories and ignore to tag me on these real matters.

    Kya yaar.
     
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    Actually the people who turned us slaves still think we are their slaves and that is why we have been operating in this master slave equation... Time to break free...
     
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    Woah bro...when did I post those :lol:
    I made this separate to curse "secular supporters" and not derail the very serious thread already. lol This is more tongue in cheek.
    Anyway if you like this kind of BC i'll remember to tag you.
     
  12. Ind4Ever

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    First post is b team of secular and Presstitutes ... They always toned Chinese and Paki agenda every now and then.

    Look at this article clear example of how to bleed your country with freedom it gives you .

    My question to First post

    - Is it wrong to kill the terrorists who want to kill you
    - If Pakistan want to destabilise India isn't it India's right to destroy Pakistan ?
    - If Pakistan is very worried about peace of Indian subcontinent and worried about escalation if India do any surgical strike deep inside PoK "WHY ARE THEY TRAINING AND SENDING TERRORISTS INTO KASHMIR" ?
    It brings peace to the subcontinent ? That's your point and theirs ?

    Oh wait what a coincidence it is. . .

    If this is what you call as dangerous place then live inside Pakistan write some facts about terror camps thriving their with full support of Gop and PA and ISI and come back alive u moron
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    had just posted a snippet of this article in the Myanmar ops thread; didn't bother to trudge through this muck. goes to show this govt. and such operations have resulted in rattling the correct kind of feople!
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    FP's farticles have worsened since the ownership & mgmt went to the Ambanis i had read. publishing this article seems more like an effort to show how 'balanced' they are and that they give voices to all sorts of opinions! bloody FoS! seems more so, because on the same page, you have the link to this article too:

    http://www.firstpost.com/india/done...r-is-a-message-to-china-pakistan-2288004.html
     
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    Amazing secular writer . My favourite was on IS burning pilot and way he questions "Is middle east doomed":doh:

    Wonder what he thinks going on in middle East for more than 1000 years
     
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    R Jagannath is still writing for FP. His one article balances the weight of 10 dumb articles. I still like to follow his posts which are well argued and well presented.
     
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    ah yes! and if i remember it correct, he receives quite some flak from the fiberals in the comments. that's more than enough to tell about his understanding and calibre.
     
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    FP has more right wing commenters I think. I think they more or less balance the fiberals. About the Myanmar operation as well, there was a post by RJ yesterday. The only change I see now is that they take down his articles much sooner now. Earlier his articles used to stay up for a day or two.
     
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    News coming in that one of the Chinese backed rebel groups (anti-Myanmar group)in Myanmar have called truce today.

    I wonder how much of this has to do with our SF attack.

    I am speculating that Myanmar could have used our attack as a stick telling the rebels that india and Myanmar is working together and will go after all rebel groups in Myanmar(both anti-india and anti-Myanmar).
     
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    whr invaders hv been eulogised, heroes binned!!
    alright. i will see that. hadn't touched FP even with a bargepole since quite sometime.
     
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    Couple of months back I read some good adjectives about 'First Post' from one DFI poster. Can we have those here again please.

    Pakistanis are using FP quite often these days. It is a sign that FP is low on intellect.
     
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