China spruces up highway to Aksai, India moves troops to Line of Actual Control

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  1. JAYRAM

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    India | Updated Jul 14, 2012 at 10:18am IST

    New Delhi:

    The threat from China looms large on India in the wake of improved roads and a proposed railway line through the disputed region of Aksai Chin. In a few weeks from now, China's ability to transport troops and equipment from bases in its North West and East to the Indian border would have improved dramatically, thanks to repairs and upgrades to key highways including the one running through Aksai Chin, which is Indian territory controlled by China.

    Indian Army sources say repairs and upgrades to the Western Highway running 1,900 km from Urmuqi in Xinjiang (an autonomous region located in the northwest of China) to Lhasa in Tibet also include the portion which cuts through Aksai Chin.

    The repairs to the highway will enable faster movement of forces in case of a confrontation with India in Aksai Chin.

    Even more serious a threat is the railway line that China plans to start work on by 2017. This line will cut through Aksai Chin will run parallel to the Western Highway.

    Sources say the combination of an improved all-weather highway, further strengthened by the presence of a railway line, will dramatically boost China's ability to transport vast number of troops and equipment to the Indian border. Add to that the 2,000 km Central Highway from Golmud to Lhasa and the 2,200 km Eastern Highway from Kunming to Lhasa, that have also been improved and both of which run along the border with India.

    The Indian Army has responded by moving observation units and patrols closer to the Line of Actual Control. A major build up of forces is underway in Ladakh.

    However, because of the lack of all-weather roads, the Chinese, it is widely acknowledged, have the advantage over India.


    China spruces up highway to Aksai, India moves troops to Line of Actual Control - India News - IBNLive
     
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    Surprised, no post about this...after a day and half.....
     
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    this is exact repeat of 1962 but the difference is that when they opened the road for the first time in 1962 at that time on map aksai chin was indian territory and now its china occupied region
     
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    jayram - it's up to the upa govt to heed the warnings of the army including defence minister antony - but they can choose not to as seems to be the case - and we can have a repeat of 62 - albeit on a smaller scale - i wouldnt be surprised at all if dragon takes "just a small bit " this time and the goi smiles all the way thru - indeed dragon might have already taken territory in arunachal as claimed by the people there and all that happened is there was supposed to be a parliamentarian visit . which we dont know if that ever took place -they have consistently shoved the border issues under the carpet and said the relation ship with dragon is great - only the army speaks more accurately - goi nopt taking it seriously and this forum is well aware of that - so it's a "done" issue - and the forum seems to prefer debating other topics - just my 2 cents interpretation of why no one is debating this !
     
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    It is militarily unfeasible for India to stake a claim on, capture or control Aksai Chin. Anyone who has seen the geography of the area knows that India faces a similar situation in Aksai Chin as Pak faces in Siachen, except India has the high ground.

    China knows this and hence refuses to negotiate on this matter, even in the context of the Arunachal boundary issues.
     
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    Indian donot need warry about it . it is just road face lifting. India China bhai bhai, no more war. no more bloody noses
     
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    condition are getting worst day by day

    we have to do the things very fast mode .
     
  9. Bhadra

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    Yes India need not worry about it. Chinese Bhai are already in Skardu. Chinese bhais will just march in from Demchok and link up with Chinese or Pakistani bhais in Skardu.

    Indians should look after the vote banks which is not there in Tibet or Ladakh.

    so it is only face lifting for treacherous Chinese and Indian elites.
     
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    you are right we should not wakeup untill then come to delhi

    china will open 3 front against india and many time on dfi i told that before November china will start a war with india
     
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    That would the end of MMS and Gandi -Nehru Family's dream of governing India. Like it happened with Nehru ! They know it and that is why they are very scared....
     
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    do anyone read the hindu. follow the coloum abt the news exactly 50 years old they publish daily. how the congress and nehru mislead the nation can be clearly seen in the hindu
     
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    INDIAN political circle and also the government is in a deep sleep and I don't understand why they are not doing anything about CHINA's aggressive moves.........
     
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    Pray tell me what should be done ?
     
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    Military Threat from China


    Gurmeet Kanwal
    E-Mail- [email protected]

    ON July 10, an intelligence report issued by the Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) warned of the clear and present danger of a conflict being initiated by China along its border with India ostensibly to divert attention from mounting domestic problems, including political dissent, economic challenges and social discord. On July 26, Mr Ranjit Sinha, Indo-Tibetan Border Police chief, said that China was not a friend and was not to be trusted. The Naresh Chandra committee on defence reforms has also sounded a warning about China’s military preparations.

    The R&AW report points to increased activity by units of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) in the areas across the Line of Actual Control (LAC) by way of enhanced surveillance and military training exercises which could be tantamount to full dress rehearsals. Recent exercises have included one on the rapid induction of airborne divisions into Tibet in 36 to 48 hours from bases in adjacent military regions. J-10 air-to-ground strike fighters have been battle-tested to hit targets in high-altitude terrain. SU-30 MKK and SU-27 UBK fighter-bombers have also been practising landings in Tibet and have been deployed there during summer months.

    The PLA has been steadily engaged in developing military infrastructure in Tibet. The railway line from Gormo to Lhasa, which is to be extended further to Shigatse and on to Kathmandu, has made it possible for the PLA to quickly induct and then sustain much larger forces in Tibet than had been the case before it was commissioned. All-weather roads totalling 58,000 km have been constructed so far. Five fully operational air bases have been built at Gongar, Pangta, Linchi, Hoping and Gar Gunsa. New helipads, missile bases, storage sites for ammunition and for fuel, oil and lubricants are being constructed rapidly. Modern military encampments with multi-storey buildings are coming up close to the border with India. This will considerably reduce mobilisation time for deployment on the border. Both landline (optical fibre cable-based) and radio communications are being improved. Microwave towers now dot the countryside. Several new command and control nodes have come up.

    By no stretch of the imagination can it be presumed that these developments are for the welfare of the sparse population. Nor are these designed to support tourism as China claims. Some years ago the conventional wisdom was that the PLA would need one summer season for stocking and inducting troops and would be able to launch military operations against India only over the next summer season. With substantive improvements having been made to improve the PLA’s military posture in Tibet, it will now be possible for the PLA to induct troops and wage war in a single campaign season. Some analysts have estimated the number of fighting formations that could be inducted in a high-level threat scenario in one month as 30 infantry divisions (12,000 soldiers each).

    In stark contrast with developments across the border in Tibet, India’s own efforts to improve its defensive posture and military infrastructure along the LAC have been lagging behind. Most of India’s forward infantry divisions are dependent on a single road axis that is mostly one-way throughout its length, and sharp bends do not permit the smooth induction of heavy guns and rocket launchers. Even the most conservatively drawn up plans for infrastructure development have failed to achieve targets for one reason or another. It has been reported that only 50 per cent of the work has been completed on 73 road projects sanctioned so far — Arunachal (27), Uttarakhand (18), J&K (14), Himachal Pradesh (7) and Sikkim (7). Additional plans have been made to construct 277 roads with a total length of 13,100 km in all.

    However, the issue that needs to be analysed is whether Chinese efforts in Tibet are aimed at bringing about routine improvements in the habitat of the troops in some of the harshest weather conditions in the world, or if there is a clearly offensive aim in upgrading the military infrastructure. In military parlance, a threat equals capability into intention. While there is absolutely no doubt or ambiguity about the PLA’s concerted efforts to enhance military capabilities in both Lanzhou and Chengdu military regions so as to be able to launch and sustain operations from the LAC along Tibet’s border with India, it is difficult to discern a clear intention to do so in the short term. The formulation that China might do so to divert attention from domestic discord does not appear to be realistic and is, therefore, unconvincing.

    The strategic stakes would be very high and the Chinese leadership will not risk sanctions and international opprobrium as well as the multi-billion dollar mutual trade relationship with India simply to divert the attention of people on the mainland. However, as long as the territorial and boundary dispute between India and China is not resolved to mutual satisfaction, while the probability of conflict remains low in the short term, its possibility cannot be ruled out. This is so because even 15 rounds of border talks involving the politically appointed interlocutors have failed to lead to the demarcation of the LAC — the first essential step to ensure that a major patrol clash does not lead to an ugly incident.

    Patrol face-offs are common as both sides patrol up to their perception of the LAC and this often results in the transgression of the LAC from the other’s perspective. Though both sides have been adhering to the laid down procedure of warning the opposing patrol through large banners that it has transgressed across the LAC and must immediately go back, a face-off can quickly turn into a shooting match if there is a hot-headed patrol leader on either side. A small incident of this nature can lead to a border conflagration if the situation is not handled with maturity and calmness by the military and political leadership on either side.

    What India needs to do is to upgrade its military strategy from dissuasion to deterrence. Genuine deterrence comes only from the ability to launch and sustain major offensive operations into the territory of one’s military adversary. Towards this end, the early raising of at least one strike corps for the mountains is an inescapable operational necessity. As manoeuvre is extremely restricted in the mountains, simultaneous efforts must be made to upgrade the firepower potential of the Army and the Air Force by an order of magnitude. Also, the development of military infrastructure along the border with Tibet must be taken up as a key priority area of the Ministry of Defence.

    The writer is a Delhi-based defence analyst

    Courtesy: The Tribune, 28 July 2012

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    There is no initiative from army either..
     
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    The choke points in the border infrastructure are reasons to worry :(
    If the infra fails us, we can't match the enemy man to man in the right way and right time even if we have the men and the hardware.

    ehh didn't we hear the same thing in 1962? .. hmm whats cooking my friend? :spy:

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    Let me put this way >>

    1. Infrastructure

    2. Equipment

    3. Communication

    4. Logistics

    5. No Specific doctrine


    All major basic elements are missing..
    The only thing is men are at heights with Guns and ammo just like 62..


    And above all no one is trying to think out of box..
     
  19. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    What initiative sir.
    Army does not construct raods.
    BRO is a ministry of Surface Transportation organisation working under MoD and Army has nothing to do with it.

    You want IA to construct roads !

    Why do not they put BRO under Army?
     
  20. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    What think out of box?
    India can not use Nukes any where in Himalayas !
    It will be diificult to use nukes in the catchment area of Brahmputra.

    Air is never a 12 months and 24 X 7 option there....

    Out of box means what ? attack China from Taiwan?

    Suggest your out of boxes... India will implement it.....
     
  21. Kunal Biswas

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    Think out of Box as i said before, EME can be helpful, think about that..

    You cannot mold the twisted ego of bureaucracy and others..

    If you dont have roads, you need to think off-road mobility..

    Speed is needed, How one can archive that in this conditions..

    Just like Typical reaction of a MOD official..

    Use some brains, the issue is logistic supply which also reason for slow development for army infra too..


    Don't go off-topic..
     

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