World Economic Order and India.

[sonofindia]

Knowledge of history is crucial to correctly predict future. During cold war, there were two opposing axes in vicinity of India. (One) U.S. along with China,Saudi Arabia and pakistan and ( two) Soviet union with India and Iran. Remember, In late 70s and early 80s, USA gave high tech weapons,Saudi Arab gave money and pakistan trained Taliban fighters to make Soviets leave Afghanistan. Times changed ! The same fighters produced by this axis one, turned against its masters and are now,fighting against them.
Another, very important historical fact...In 1975, US president went to China and made a secret deal with China to buy all its goods in return for Chinese support to defeat Soviet union. Since then Chinese goods flooded US markets and China made trillion dollar profit which it invested in US treasury bonds so that Chinese currency can be kept low to enable cheap export. This super scheme is coming to an end soon. US consumer is broke and can not buy anymore Chinese goods. China is stuck with US bonds and can not sell them. Pakistan is becoming more and more anti USA and more of a liability on USA as pak is hurling towards implosion. Chinese economy is NOT doing well inspite of all the US media propaganda.(my friend just visited China ..its economy is in deep recession)
You need to keep in mind these facts and then, correlate current events such as US eagerness to be friends with India..Pakistan trying to be cozy with China etc etc. India is at a crossroad from foreign policy stanpoint. US is a "bottomline" nation..if India can be strong and is seen as an asset by US..Us will easily divorce Pakistan and even,China. Caution is warranted..as US is still economically deeply entertwined with China due to china's huge investment in US bond market. I think, Indian leadership is very experienced and have seen history and will be cautious making any abrupt foreign policy changes. Your ideas about this subject are invited. Jai Hind.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

india is pretty sorted out on the course of action to be followed on the foreign policy front, the more important question is to what extent do we want to play a bigger role and from the looks of it, we are far from playing a significantly big one.

there will be two primary countries around which the focus will be, the US, and russia.
through the US the aim is to gain better hold in various international bodies, SE asia/asia pacific, the ME, and the EU.
russia will be of use in CAR.
africa/latin america will largely be independently handled.

with china there will be coordination on certain issues, and no coordination on others, will there be out and out confrontation, is yet to be seen, but all that the GoI has shown, there wont be. india is too interested to grow economically to think otherwise. is india interested in being a part of a group that encircles china, yes, if china does, which they are, then india will as well, which means flexing muscles in SE asia, which is what america/japan/RoK want of india.

pakistan is way over hyped in our foreign policy, we waste way too much time, energy and resources on them, make sure we have a strong internal security in place, keep exerting pressure on them through international community which also means engaging china on this even though that might not amount to any significant gains, have good to strong relations with and presence in iran and a'stan and pakistan should be all sorted out.

the bottom line is, the economy of the country, which is what has to be made stronger from all the relationships that have to be forged, if there are economic gains to be made, cut the deal, making sure the larger interests of the country are kept intact. much like the way china did, bargain extensive manufacturing rights, because india needs to produce large scale low end/semi-skilled jobs.

 

[Energon]

From the US point of view:

Right now our economic climate is extremely tenuous. We are falling into the vicious trap like all declining empires:

1. Fiscal irresponsibility
2. Over extended military budget to maintain a military structure to "project" our symbolic might.
3. Persistence with failed foreign policy objectives because of symbolic obligations: Iraq, Israel, Pakistan etc.
4. Devolution of the entity which made us powerful in the first place: Industry. We are rapidly de industrializing.
5. A change in outlook that is inward, self obsessed and myopic. Such as the divisive politics between the ultra left and the ultra right who are far more obsessed with their imaginary ideals than practical solutions.
6. Complacency in society and neglect of rudimentary matters such as early education and healthcare.

But unlike other declining empires what we do have is a tremendous advantage in human resource. We still attract the best of the best and a lot of people the world over want to move to the US. We also maintain our greatest asset which is our higher education system which gives us a sizable advantage in innovation.

What we need to do right now is to abandon all our black hole projects where we attempt to "save" everyone and just fix ourselves. And in order to do that we need economic partners. This is why I think the US India relationship is by far the most important thing in the coming decades. Unlike China we have a much better potential trading partner in India which is far more amenable to open markets and fair business practices (no artificial currency devaluation etc.). India is in desperate need of modern infrastructure and higher education facilities and the US is in a good position to provide that. The infrastructure in turn can give the industrial and social depth it needs to ramp up consumption. India is also the best human resource capital we have right now and that will not change in the foreseeable future.

This is overly simplified of course but all in all I think this relationship would be extremely beneficial.

 

[sukhish]

From the US point of view:

Right now our economic climate is extremely tenuous. We are falling into the vicious trap like all declining empires:

1. Fiscal irresponsibility
2. Over extended military budget to maintain a military structure to "project" our symbolic might.
3. Persistence with failed foreign policy objectives because of symbolic obligations: Iraq, Israel, Pakistan etc.
4. Devolution of the entity which made us powerful in the first place: Industry. We are rapidly de industrializing.
5. A change in outlook that is inward, self obsessed and myopic. Such as the divisive politics between the ultra left and the ultra right who are far more obsessed with their imaginary ideals than practical solutions.
6. Complacency in society and neglect of rudimentary matters such as early education and healthcare.

But unlike other declining empires what we do have is a tremendous advantage in human resource. We still attract the best of the best and a lot of people the world over want to move to the US. We also maintain our greatest asset which is our higher education system which gives us a sizable advantage in innovation.

What we need to do right now is to abandon all our black hole projects where we attempt to "save" everyone and just fix ourselves. And in order to do that we need economic partners. This is why I think the US India relationship is by far the most important thing in the coming decades. Unlike China we have a much better potential trading partner in India which is far more amenable to open markets and fair business practices (no artificial currency devaluation etc.). India is in desperate need of modern infrastructure and higher education facilities and the US is in a good position to provide that. The infrastructure in turn can give the industrial and social depth it needs to ramp up consumption. India is also the best human resource capital we have right now and that will not change in the foreseeable future.

This is overly simplified of course but all in all I think this relationship would be extremely beneficial.

all these nations which make secret deals with the US and not nations but states only and that includes china also.
India is slow in everything ( I think it is very good for india ). fast decision making and chest thumping is not in India's DNA, and the reason we are slow is because we are the oldest civilization on this planet this planet. all these new states don't have the tolerance and patience. the greatest asset for india is tolerance and patience.

 

[Tshering22]

all these nations which make secret deals with the US and not nations but states only and that includes china also.
India is slow in everything ( I think it is very good for india ). fast decision making and chest thumping is not in India's DNA, and the reason we are slow is because we are the oldest civilization on this planet this planet. all these new states don't have the tolerance and patience. the greatest asset for india is tolerance and patience.

Not good for domestic financial, judicial and defense matters mate. That really takes a toll on our people.

 

[The Messiah]

Not good for domestic financial, judicial and defense matters mate. That really takes a toll on our people.

We are slow because:

1. For low level job govt offices are overemployed so everyone assumes someone else will do it and as a result no one does the work.
2. For specialized jobs like judiciary, police etc we have few people when compared to our population. Few people are also inept.
3. Too much red tape...file has to pass through countless hands.
4. Its in our culture to do work aaram se.

 

[sonofindia]

As for Pakistan, I dont think India should ignore it...Watch Paki carefully....signs are very bad...the fanatics are much more in number than sane,moderate,tolerant people. That society is hurling toward suicide unless they take a quick about turn soon. America is very puzzled as a fundamentalist, terrorist minded Pakistan is not in the interest of USA or any civilized nation. USA is preparing for the worst case scenario of dealing with a militant controlled Pakistan...such pakistan will not only be a liability and headache for USA, it can be a big threat to world economy. One option for USA will be liberating Baluchistan and arming it to counter remaining piece of Pakistan. Other option may be to bring a ProAmerican- dictator back and tell him to hit militants very hard and turn Pakistan back towards modern and liberal direction. My basic point is that in near future Pakistan will be focal point of chaos and violence.