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We all know what will come across the minds of people when they see the Chinese flag.
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We all know what will come across the minds of people when they see the Chinese flag.
friends?
how do you define "friends"?
Does India have any friends?Does India consider the US, for example, a friend?
If so, then China and the US enjoy a much closer relationship than India does the US, economically, politically and strategically.
Ditto China's relationship with the EU, Japan, the two Koreas, Brazil, South Afirca。。。etc
Just to inform you since you were possibly not conversant with the facts:It is the fact that USSR were confronted with China in their southern boarder when there is a link established between China and USA.
It is China who started the military buildup which India took as an unfriendly and dangerous escalation. That apart, China unnecessarily built up tensions like the stapled visa, the question of Kashmir and then calling Arunachal Pradesh as South Tibet. Therefore, it is natural that India will look after its national interest and reciprocate.The second question you raised up is about China's rise and its military build up. I presume that lead to the same problem as to our Indian friends, China has to secure its essential Fossil Oil and export transportation routines, which obviously crossed the Indian Ocean and the south China sea. Like what you said, do not intensifying and extending the pressure to your neighbors. I don't see any actions taken by Indian authorities have eased these tensions, such as deploying mountain infantry groups near the China-India border, high profile fighter jet purchasing plan and built large navy fleets are contrary to a peaceful India image. Through all these news and information, people who live around India will get frustrated by the movement of India Government.
Planting flags surreptitiously does not legitimise a claim. India and New Zealand planted their flags on Mount Everest first. Does it make Mount Everest a part of India or New Zealand?And the third question, I think our Indian friend are getting over excited about the south China sea issue, well, I have heard too much story from you guys, which saying it is too far from China and therefore China has no right to claim them. Hey friends, did you ever studied about the issue, did you know that Chinese have occupied and set a flag there since 1960. I bet you don't know about it. Philippians did not claim the island after the WWII, it is only noted that during the 70s when the US discovered fossil oil over there, Philippians start to form an opinion against its original words. And what about India, all these Andaman Islands are thousands of miles away from India mainland, from an outsider I reckon it should belong to Burma. Well you may notice that I don't understand India's Background and History, and just bullsh*ting. We felt the same thing.
The fact that you are now back flipping that the US and UK were generous, was not the refrain earlier!And Please, do not argue about the Chinese contribution in WWII. It is true that US had contributed loads of supply and pilots to Southern China During the WWII, they have been really generous and helpful during that time. But what you said is rubbish, without US China will become a part of Japan. You are neglecting the millions of soldiers and civilians who scarified their life to save you, how dare you say that. Without China's operation in Burma during 1942 Japan would have India in its hand. British were busy running around and fighting the Germans, India is simply not capable of fighting the Japanese Invasion forces. (I am using your way of description and you will learn how to put yourself into other person's shoe and learn how to respect.)
Rather convoluted rigamarole.USSR helped us all the way? where did you learn this, immediately after Stalin's death. Russian experts have been pulled out of China, many projects have to terminate as a consequence of this. Yes, USSR helped up to build some of our early industrial facilities. But we have rewarded them since 1959. What about India, after USSR's collapse, when the rupee exchange system fails, India stop paying its debt and pretend as if India has cleared it debts with USSR. I assume that is the reason for the expensive Russian armory prices, nothing is free guys.
Good imagination! I am tempted to use LOL, but then I am not a Chinese and they seem to have applied for its patent!Albania, Vietnam, Egypt. Do I have to quote the hundreds of free supports in here.
I am afraid by naming countries as 'friends' does not mean they are friends.I think you are seriously mistaken friendship as between people and alliances between countries. If you dont know the differeanse, I suggest you start ask around abit before you post those kind questions. Oh btw China got lots of friends. It is just you who are ignorant. If we only count those surrounding China: Pakistan, Thailand, Russia,Kazakhstan, Bhutan, Malaysia, Indonesia and Burma until recently. And China is not Vietnams No. 1 enemy. China has disputes with Vietnam. It dosnt make them enemies. There are also lots of friendly countries around the world too if you bother to do your research.
And one more thing, if you trully know the meaning of "friendship", then you should know that it is not how many friends you got that is important, but what they will do for you. Sadly, your post just showed that you dont have a clue. Guess your "friends" didnt tell you that, did they?
India has no friends in the manner one is trying to make it out. It has, however, good relationship with many countries.As the saying goes there is no eternal friendship between nations, there is only the ever-present interest. China has therefore no fewer friends than India has and probably no more enemies than the latter has, too. On paper, China has diplomatic relationships with virtually all countries on earth with the exception of the 20 or so mostly tiny countries that recognize taiwan. There is US, there is Pakistan, there is Vietnam, and there is India. And abroad, chinese are no less welcome than indians are too. In fact, all around the world, at hotels, shops catering foreigners, you will often see chinese flag flying along side japanese and american ones, yet you rarely ever see indian flag. But i'm not saying they hater indians more, its just chinese visitors usually carry deeper pockets and therefore bring a lot more revenue. Ultimately in this world, its the moeny that counts.
USSR was a friend of India and of that there is no doubt.Russia ought to be a true friend of India, right? Yet they don't waste any opportunity ripping you off. America shares a lot of values with India, what gifts has America ever given to india, besides the occasional rhetorics? Then everyone here claims that Vietnam is a great ally of India, then how come China-Vietnam trade dwarfs India-Vietnam trade last year?
And when they observe a Chinese guess what physical features they find a wee bit extraordinary from the rest of the world. And since you raise the issue of colour, the Chinese do look anaemic colour-wise!When an european spots an Indian in the streets of Europe, make a guess which of the following things that most likely will come across his mind: friends, skin color, turban, muslim, terrorist or what a great democracy that is india? I don't know but I'm pretty sure its is not the last one.
I wonder if it is loneliness that Kickof is possessed of.When someone complains about not having enough friends, it is a sign of loneliness I guess.
Talking about friendship in international politics is like talking about love when you are f**king a whore.
By the way, I never care about how you think about me, and no reason to start now.
Guess?ok, who is indian's friend? ur neighbors? Russia? US? LOL
I agree that naming countries "friends" does not make them friends in the real sense. I was merelly answering the thread starter.I am afraid by naming countries as 'friends' does not mean they are friends.
The only real friend is Pakistan, but they have also exasperated China, where China could not help by express frustration by declaring that Pakistan is helping Muslim Uighurs to separate from China!
Myanmar was another good friend of China. But check the latest development and you will realise that they too have seen the light!
Thailand is wanting to have the technology for high speed railway and beyond that they have an alliance with the US and not with China. That is not being in alliance. right?
Compare this with the US.
This may help understanding:
A Renewed U.S.-Thai Alliance for the 21st Century
A Renewed U.S.-Thai Alliance for the 21st Century
Heard of COBRA Gold?
Russia,Kazakhstan, Bhutan, Malaysia, Indonesia?
I am not contradicting myself.I agree that naming countries "friends" does not make them friends in the real sense. I was merelly answering the thread starter.
However you are contradicting your self. First you say that naming them "friends" dont make them one. Then you mentioned Pakistan. Either you do have friends among other countries or you do not. Pick you bet.
And China claims Pakistan is helping Muslim Uighurs to separate from China?
And Myanmar have seen the light? You are a naiv chap, aint you? Just because they moved abit away from a dependence on China, dosnt make them "seen the light". If the term "friend" is foolish, then your term is equally so.
China is Thailands strongest ally in Asia after United States. If you dont even know that, then I suggest you start reading.
And one more thing, maybe it is hard for you to understand, but you can actually be "friend" with both countries. One does not rule out the other. Seriously, you are old enough to know better.
I haven't read the thread, so I don't know what's happening. But it is funny how some people can be so thick as to call an ex-Brigadier with actual combat experience naive especially when it comes to war and geopolitics revolving around a potential adversary.Yes, I am naive (your spelling is wrong and it did confuse me!). But I am not that naive as to not know what's up! A country that slept and woke at the diktat of China is now shedding its nightmare. Should indicate something, no?
No disrespect to your age. However there is no correlation between wisdom and age. And there is a differene between scepticisme and being cynical. And to certain other members here. I am by no means downplaying our dear ex-Brigadiers military knowledge. I am only question the merit of his opinions on geopolitics. After all, the knowledge of geopolitics are certainly not reserved to military personnel, right?I am not contradicting myself.
I was only wanting to make you comfortable since we don't want to lose your educated insight from China that is indeed quite enlightening!
China for good geopolitical and geostrategic reason has cultivated Pakistan as a friend and indeed they are friends.
Agree so far.
However, the support indirectly to the Uighur separatist because they are Muslim was the proverbial straw that broke China's back. So, they are friend still but a bit more wary than before. And anyway friendship is always subjective.
Depends on what you mean by support indirectly. And who exactly? The ISI, the government. Please be more specific.
Yes, I am naive (your spelling is wrong and it did confuse me!). But I am not that naive as to not know what's up! A country that slept and woke at the diktat of China is now shedding its nightmare. Should indicate something, no?
Sorry for the typo. Funny you should say that. The future of that country always lies in their own hands. The junta has ruled the country with an iron fist. Dont blame China for their own plight.
Thailand is the strongest ally after the US you say. Are they your ally? Or merely an active trading partner? Any alliance that you could tell us? Dreaming is good and I agree on that!
Sigh, again I suggest you do a bit more reading here. I am sure an educated man like your self surely can do that much. Even a mere google can show you some results here. Let me however speed you on your way. An hint: Vietnam.
Seriously because I am older, I have seen all the chicanery of the world that you have not seen and so I am not that easily fooled!
The topic has got nothing to do with India so please keep india out of your flame baits , the debate is " WHY china has so less friends? " and not the other way round so just debate if you can on China having less friends, nowhere the thread topic has the word INDIA in iti am confident China will have as many friends as it wishes once it dominates the world.
at lease China has never been rip off by its friends. on the other hand, india is pathetic, it has to import all the advanced weapons from it so called friends and got rip off all the times. that is an international joke
i am confident China will have as many friends as it wishes once it dominates the world.
at lease China has never been rip off by its friends. on the other hand, india is pathetic, it has to import all the advanced weapons from it so called friends and got rip off all the times. that is an international joke
Of course I was joking about the loneliness. My point is that it is meaningless to bring in friendship when you are talking about international politics because there is anything in international politics but friendship.I wonder if it is loneliness that Kickof is possessed of.
It is sadness I would think that such a great civilisation has been reduced to such a sorry state where friends are as difficult to find as a needle in a haystack.
Very silly arguments.Of course I was joking about the loneliness. My point is that it is meaningless to bring in friendship when you are talking about international politics because there is anything in international politics but friendship.
I feel sad for kickok that he still can't understand it.
Sorry state? Well sorry state would be those which are depending on others. For a country who dertermines to be on there own, being alienated, in my opinion isn't a bad thing at all. Especially after we sort out the real reason why China is not popular, no Chinese should feel sorry for our country like Kickok.
Why does India hate China ?
1> India has been grabing land from China, so she fears China will get back to her and take back what belongs to us in the future.
2> India has ambition over South Asian countries, and a strong China is busting her dream of annexing them.
3> India envies what China has accomplished, especially in the aspect of economy, they can't accept the fact a communismm China is doing much better than a democratic India.
So, if we want India to adore China, we need to
1>surrender South Tibet or even the whole Tibet to India
2>Let India dominate South Asia and bully countries in that region at her will
3>stop growing so that India can keep up with China
Conclusion, do I feel sad that India hates China? Not at all.
Same logic can be applied to other cases.
Want to be friend with Vietnam? Give up South China Sea first.
Want to be friend with America? Be ready to be her cheap sweatshop forever.
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Why should I feel sorry that China has so few friends?
And Indians who like bragging about your good relation with America, you must forget how they treated you in 1971. I remember there is a thread named " how US cornered India in 1971", friendship Indeed.
Russia, who sells weapon to China for decades and are still doing it as of now, truely is a friend of India.
Hillary is in Myanmar presently. Things may change.No doubt China is having friends around the World! NK, Iran, Myanmar, Sudan... Oh, the rest of the World is rushing to be inducted in that list!
Very silly arguments.
Firstly, I don't see any Indians "bragging" about relations with America. If you have been on this forum long enough, you should know that. And what's that about 1971? Do you know something about what the situations were at that time, and how it is different today, or do you simply type for the sake of it? Looks like the latter.
India 'annexing' "South Asian" countries? Listen, India would have done it long back to Nepal and Bhutan if that was the case. And we would have absorbed Bangladesh in 1971 instead of declaring them independent. Use some common sense please. Get out of the CPC propaganda machine. And what's that about China not allowing India? Buddy, China is nothing. Can do absolutely nothing. We took Sikkim, we split up your taller-deeper friend into two, and what could you do? You simply talk, and have an over-inflated view of your own abilities.
And I see that Chinese on the internet have a swelled head about their "growth". You need periodic reminders that your economy was liberalized 13 years before India's. You have a head start of 13 years, so there is nothing surprising in China's being around a decade ahead. Chinese seem to think that they are some chosen people who are greater in some way than the Indians. It is just about timing and head start, nothing more, nothing less. Understand that, and understand it well.