Trump Uses the K-word, Includes Bajwa in Talks with Imran

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Superb! We think song and dance is a substitute for hard diplomacy and business of govt...
we think by playing soft (as we did with Russians and now are doing with Trump) we can avoid hard stuff.

Well, seems Trump has shafted us and disabused us of antiquated notions of diplomacy


Since we are on topic, what do people here think of Sushant Sareen and his opinions.

If anyone knows more about his work, would like to know how accurate is his analysis and commentary. More importantly how much of his predictions of the past have come true now?
 

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Has the state department come out with a clarification of Trump's purported conversation with PM Modi?.... How can any leader have a honest conversation with this dude now.
Nothing substantial, they work for trump after all...
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US State Department Spokesperson to ANI: While Kashmir is a bilateral issue for both parties to discuss,the Trump administration welcomes Pakistan&India sitting down&the United States stands ready to assist.
 

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Nothing substantial, they work for trump after all...
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US State Department Spokesperson to ANI: While Kashmir is a bilateral issue for both parties to discuss,the Trump administration welcomes Pakistan&India sitting down&the United States stands ready to assist.
That statement only refers to the mediation part, nothing about the conversation that he claims he had with PM Modi. So we have to assume that even the state department endorses the yarn that Trump spun at our expense. This only means it's no longer Trump who is lying, it's America that is lying.

Congratulations to United States of America for endorsing and electing this lunatic. Modern day Rome deserves its modern day Caligula.
 

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That statement only refers to the mediation part, nothing about the conversation that he claims he had with PM Modi. So we have to assume that even the state department endorses the yarn that Trump spun at our expense. This only means it's no longer Trump who is lying, it's America that is lying.

Congratulations to United States of America for endorsing and electing this lunatic. Modern day Rome deserves its modern day Caligula.
If you read rest of the statement, you are going to be pissed....
 

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Trump is no fool & this is why he deliberately lied about Modi’s Kashmir request

India brought this upon itself. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

With bated breath, we await sunrise in Washington DC to see what President Donald Trump will do next. Will he double down on his claim that Prime Minister Narendra Modi asked him to mediate on Kashmir? Will he be enraged that the Ministry of External Affairs has tagged him and effectively said he lied, and then repeated it in Parliament today?

Let’s be clear about two things: first, this will blow over until the next storm in a teacup; and second, no country – except Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar – has found reliable ways to deal with Trump. Let us be equally clear that Modi has never asked Trump or any external interloper to interfere in bilateral matters. Modi is a stickler for rules and follows the brief his bureaucrats prepare for him to the T. Trump is no one’s fool, although the Democrats would like you to believe that. Assuming that Trump is a fool is the biggest mistake one can make, something the Democrats don’t seem to understand even after their rout in the 2016 US presidential election.


That said, there is no doubt Trump is lying (no, he didn’t misunderstand what Modi may or may not have told him; he is deliberately lying). The question is why? We should be worrying not about ‘what’ he said (as Indians are at the moment), but ‘why’ he said it. The ‘what’ is not important, the ‘why’ is critical. I have discussed the more macro reasons here, but what we need to do now is understand how this episode will play out.

Let us be clear, the Indian economy is in doldrums, and the standard Indian practice has been to play ostrich at home, and the perpetually-petulant-victim abroad. In effect, our failure at domestic policy leaves our diplomats with few choices – none of them viable. But what is inexcusable is that they have either failed to read the signs in advance or haven’t been heard at the top.

Since Barack Obama’s second term (2012-16), the signs of India fatigue have only been growing, be it on patents, or a host of other issues. Trump has simply distilled that fatigue and accelerated its effects. To start with, he refused to come to India for the Republic Day celebrations citing “scheduling constraints”. That he took a month to decline the invitation should make it clear that there were no prior commitments, just higher priorities.

He has travelled to Saudi Arabia and executed a remarkable about-turn of his Saudi hate. The Saudis had to sign an agreement for US$110 billion in immediate weapons purchases with a total of US$350 billion committed over 10 years. Trump then shifted his attack to Qatar, calling it “a funder of terrorism at a very high level”. The Qataris had to buy their way out, agreeing to spend billions of dollars within months, be it in weapons purchases or oil refining. The three incidents – turning down India’s invitation, travelling to Saudi Arabia, and training and then un-training his guns on Qatar – should have flashed warning signs to India.

Yet, what did India do? It had Ivanka Trump speak at a leadership conference. The fact that India thinks it can buy off a president with intangible platitudes says a lot about how badly our assessment has gone wrong. And yet, we still fail to learn the lessons. The initial 2+2 dialogue of defence and foreign ministers was ostensibly postponed, again due to prior commitments. It pretty much forced India to sign up for COMCASA and LEMOA in order to get the 2+2 going. But there again, these foundational agreements haven’t translated into any tangible gain for the US. This is why we had Trump tweet about tariffs once more (he initially raised India’s duties on Harley-Davidson in his 2017 State of the Union speech).

Meanwhile, Trump saw the highly hostile statements on Kashmir, clearly sanctioned from the very top, emanating from Moscow. Former Russian Ambassador to India, Vyacheslav Trubnikov, a confidante of Russia’s Afghanistan point person Zamir Kabulov, had said, “the solution to Afghanistan lies in Kashmir“. Far from any backlash, India proceeded to give Russia close to US$9 billion worth of arms deals for the S-400 and second Akula class submarine. Contrast this with Pakistan. Pakistan can offer Trump minor tangibles in Afghanistan, which have a disproportionate political effect back in the US (Pakistan understands this well). Pakistan has Trump in a monopsony situation by being the only supply route, with Russia and Iran having been alienated.

What was all this meant to signal to Trump? Tweet on tariffs, you won’t get anything; we’ll keep throwing sweet nothings your and Ivanka’s way. But attack us on core interests like Kashmir as Trubnikov did, actively undermine Indian interests as Kabulov had, and you would get US$9 billion. Trump clearly internalised this message. In the end, there is no conclusion other than that India has brought this upon itself. It should have read the warning signs, it didn’t. There should be no doubt that Trump has done this to extract a price. How steep that price will be, shall be determined by what Trump believes: the reality of the Indian economy or Modi’s hype. In the end, Modi may very well end up becoming a victim of his own successful marketing campaign.

The author is a senior fellow at the Institute of Peace and Conflict Studies. He tweets @iyervval. Views are personal.

https://theprint.in/opinion/trump-i...tely-lied-about-modis-kashmir-request/266723/

Stupid premises and ify conclusions. Alarmists, overreaction, hindsight bitching and nothing more.

1. Speaking for Trump and trying reading his mind is a nothing but a guess. No one will found his serious analysis on his mind-reading prowesses.

2. LEOMA was initiated by Obama and signed in principle after the visit of Secretary of Defence Ash Carter before Trump became president. No think tank ever implied it as a compulsion due to Trump's hostilities. The foundation was laid when India first signed GSOMIA in 2002. The necessity for that was envisioned as UPA started purchasing US weapon systems and then the relationship got upgraded to strategic value in order to counter China. Same is the rationale behind COMCASA as maritime cooperation between both the Navies including Japan and Australia has become the norm.

This fool Iyer who otherwise think quite highly of himself is misleading the readership by using examples of both these agreements which Trump may not even be able to explain what they are meant for.



3. Trump has been hostile to India for almost a year and more now. It is stupid to think that the Indian establishment is not aware of it. Playing safe doesn't mean playing stupid.

4. A nation like India will never change its course on Trump's utterances but actions. Every time Trump took an action India has reacted accordingly.

5. Modi's marketing and symbolisms are not to only to impress the State department or the White House but is a multi-faceted messaging to multiple entities, businesses abroad and back home constituency. For the first tenure, it worked politically for Modi and for the second he needs none.

6. Performance of India's economy is not dependent on just one person. The fat author Iyer is a fool who thinks Trump will decide the fate of India's growth. Trump can make as many stringent policies the very American businesses will keep finding loopholes and ways to bypass them.

7. India is a hard negotiator our market decides what we must prioritise. I see no one going to Trump and begging for goodies.

First, it is an overreaction if not then Trump can fuck himself, India does not care when it comes to Kashmir.
 

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While we shouldn't over react.......We shouldn't let it slide either. Flip the tables with let's say iran or north korea and Indian PM giving them support they wouldn't care if our pm was a loud mouth or make other excuses.

We can use this incident in our favour as well to get s400 without the US's usual threatening of sanctions or to drive a bargain somewhere else.

Indian foreign policy isn't stupid to let this go for free.
 

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Stupid premises and ify conclusions. Alarmists, overreaction, hindsight bitching and nothing more.

1. Speaking for Trump and trying reading his mind is a nothing but a guess. No one will found his serious analysis on his mind-reading prowesses.

2. LEOMA was initiated by Obama and signed in principle after the visit of Secretary of Defence Ash Carter before Trump became president. No think tank ever implied it as a compulsion due to Trump's hostilities. The foundation was laid when India first signed GSOMIA in 2002. The necessity for that was envisioned as UPA started purchasing US weapon systems and then the relationship got upgraded to strategic value in order to counter China. Same is the rationale behind COMCASA as maritime cooperation between both the Navies including Japan and Australia has become the norm.

This fool Iyer who otherwise think quite highly of himself is misleading the readership by using examples of both these agreements which Trump may not even be able to explain what they are meant for.



3. Trump has been hostile to India for almost a year and more now. It is stupid to think that the Indian establishment is not aware of it. Playing safe doesn't mean playing stupid.

4. A nation like India will never change its course on Trump's utterances but actions. Every time Trump took an action India has reacted accordingly.

5. Modi's marketing and symbolisms are not to only to impress the State department or the White House but is a multi-faceted messaging to multiple entities, businesses abroad and back home constituency. For the first tenure, it worked politically for Modi and for the second he needs none.

6. Performance of India's economy is not dependent on just one person. The fat author Iyer is a fool who thinks Trump will decide the fate of India's growth. Trump can make as many stringent policies the very American businesses will keep finding loopholes and ways to bypass them.

7. India is a hard negotiator our market decides what we must prioritise. I see no one going to Trump and begging for goodies.

First, it is an overreaction if not then Trump can fuck himself, India does not care when it comes to Kashmir.
This is what I am saying. Media, journalists, analysts, intellectuals all got space to write one article to bash Modi, criticize India and are happy home. 2 days of uproar and all back to business. I do understand that many Indians are getting infuriated by the mere mention of Kashmir but you need to understand unlike the US of past, Trump is a transactional man. You have to read it in that context. Len Den.
 

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Stupid premises and ify conclusions. Alarmists, overreaction, hindsight bitching and nothing more.

1. Speaking for Trump and trying reading his mind is a nothing but a guess. No one will found his serious analysis on his mind-reading prowesses.

2. LEOMA was initiated by Obama and signed in principle after the visit of Secretary of Defence Ash Carter before Trump became president. No think tank ever implied it as a compulsion due to Trump's hostilities. The foundation was laid when India first signed GSOMIA in 2002. The necessity for that was envisioned as UPA started purchasing US weapon systems and then the relationship got upgraded to strategic value in order to counter China. Same is the rationale behind COMCASA as maritime cooperation between both the Navies including Japan and Australia has become the norm.

This fool Iyer who otherwise think quite highly of himself is misleading the readership by using examples of both these agreements which Trump may not even be able to explain what they are meant for.



3. Trump has been hostile to India for almost a year and more now. It is stupid to think that the Indian establishment is not aware of it. Playing safe doesn't mean playing stupid.

4. A nation like India will never change its course on Trump's utterances but actions. Every time Trump took an action India has reacted accordingly.

5. Modi's marketing and symbolisms are not to only to impress the State department or the White House but is a multi-faceted messaging to multiple entities, businesses abroad and back home constituency. For the first tenure, it worked politically for Modi and for the second he needs none.

6. Performance of India's economy is not dependent on just one person. The fat author Iyer is a fool who thinks Trump will decide the fate of India's growth. Trump can make as many stringent policies the very American businesses will keep finding loopholes and ways to bypass them.

7. India is a hard negotiator our market decides what we must prioritize. I see no one going to Trump and begging for goodies.

First, it is an overreaction if not then Trump can fuck himself, India does not care when it comes to Kashmir.
* Trump hasn't been hostile to India, critical of it sure, but does one expect to have open access to US market while our market has massive tariffs. Please get real. It's stupid to confuse disagreements to hostility.
* Performance of India's economy is not dependent on Trump or the US but as of 2018 16% of India's exports go to the US. That's a big figure to contend with no matter how you look at it.
* Nobody is begging for goodies but there is a lot of ground work ongoing for a new trade agreement

http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-import-partners/
 

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While China will be a stone in the shoe, can it shower Pukis billions in credit to keep running while we are smacking down on their bunkers as we speak?
Well, if things were that simple, Pakistan wouldn't have been running back to its old master USA.
 

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* Trump hasn't been hostile to India, critical of it sure, but does one expect to have open access to US market while our market has massive tariffs. Please get real. It's stupid to confuse disagreements to hostility.
* Performance of India's economy is not dependent on Trump or the US but as of 2018 16% of India's exports go to the US. That's a big figure to contend with no matter how you look at it.
* Nobody is begging for goodies but there is a lot of ground work ongoing for a new trade agreement

http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-import-partners/
I only used the words which Author prescribed. Read my post again I am only debunking the piece.
 

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Has the state department come out with a clarification of Trump's purported conversation with PM Modi?.... How can any leader have a honest conversation with this dude now.
This is the Verified Twitter Account of
Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asia

 

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Imran Khan is SAD that India has rejected his proposal
This guy is living in dream land till now, since when India accepted third party on Kashmir.

The first people who will feel sad when Kashmir issue is resolved is Pakistan. Total nonsense, let this die down.
 

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Imran Khan is SAD that India has rejected his proposal
He is sad because now his 3rd wife is also unsatisfied.
 

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Afghanistan Government has released a strong statement on President Trump's bizzare statement yesterday on wiping off Afghanistan from the face of Earth.




Afghans are also not happy...





Trump shooting his mouth has caused a fracture in India-US relations.

Not only has he sold Afghanistan down the drain, he has shafted India as well.

This is precisely why India never has, never will accept mediation...my take on Trump’s foot in mouth remarks


It's a sign of frustration on part of a self-proclaimed super to threaten wiping out a country which they had already invaded and occupied for more than a decade. How hard could it have been for them to wipe out the nation? they couldn't even take care of the insurgent groups there and lost 3000+ US troops in the process of occupation. Now the grapes are sour. It is coming off more as a rejected lover threatening to throw acid.

Everyone knows the US has the logistical ability to wipe out any nation, and the hollow conscience that wouldn't stop them from doing so. They have proved themselves to be demented enough to have dropped a nuke on a country after the war was over, and then cooked up a fake excuse claiming that the Japanese were refusing to surrender. If they haven't done it to North Korea or Iran yet, it's definitely not due to a lack of ability or will, there is BOTH. What is lacking is the ability to face the consequences of such a move from other surviving powers acting to preserve their own standing.

The US is like a frustrated child not willing to accept their new standing in a multipolar world. They are still speaking from the misplaced confidence of the 70's era unipolar world they were used to. Kissinger and his ideas have outlived their utility now. Time for them to go to sleep. They had even threatened to wipe out Vietnam after losing that war. Somehow, all the brave ideas seem to come to them only after the war is lost.

Itne saalon se Afghanistan me kya ukhad liya jo abh Twitter pe baith ke nuclear threat de rahe hai. :D
 
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