The Syrian Crisis

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Saudi used this Chemical Weapon, we have confirmed information from US side itself, which CIA/US won't accept in open...... first these b@stards killed Syrian people and now they want a war against Syria itself :shoot:

this war will go nowhere, better US/Russia both get united and take over Saudi Arabia within few days, its easy and will solve many problems. just take over all the oil/gas reserve at gun point, and then become good. it will finally help this region grow under us. and we do need a communist country for this purpose, you have many hurdles as a democratic country....... these shiits of Gulf neither deserve power, nor wealth, they use for terrorism purposes.......

it will fix many problems, including the flow of funds for Al Qaeda from Saudi itself....... i favor a war for good and taking over Saudi Arabia is on table right now. they only have air force, but no credible military as whole while Israel has much more powerful air force too there. rest, just 100,000 russian military may take over the whole Saudi Arabia, lets it get started :thumb:
Shall I simply Say a Word...??

Does the Russians Looking for Saudis Oil wells
 

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Will a little extra oil hurt? Why leave it all to US/EU corps alone?
US didn't invade KSA ..but they makes themselves as Strongest ally of KSA

Just like CUBA in American Continent ..why not America makes CUBA as a Best ally ..how they fell their attitude over Russia


Just one thing National Interests
 

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For those that keep claiming the rebels have no chemical weapons, here is an interesting news:
A U.N. official says there are strong suspicions that Syrian rebel forces have used the deadly nerve agent sarin gas in the country's civil war.

Carla Del Ponte told an Italian-Swiss TV station that the findings come after interviews with doctors and Syrian victims now in neighboring countries.

Del Ponte, the commissioner of the U.N. Independent International Commission of Inquiry for Syria, said the notion isn't surprising, given the infiltration of foreign fighters into the Syrian opposition.
Source: U.N.: Syria rebels may have used sarin – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

This report is from May 6th, 2013. The question is, why are the war drums being played out now, and not 3 months earlier?
 

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Kerry's cosy dinner with Syria's 'Hitler': Secretary of State and the man he likened to German dictator are pictured dining with their wives at Damascus restaurant before civil war broke out | Mail Online

Kerry's cosy dinner with Syria's 'Hitler': Secretary of State and the man he likened to German dictator are pictured dining with their wives at Damascus restaurant before civil war broke out

An astonishing photograph of John Kerry having a cozy and intimate dinner with Bashar al-Assad has emerged at the moment the U.S Secretary of State is making the case to bomb the Syrian dictator's country and remove him from power.

Kerry, who compared Assad to Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein yesterday, is pictured around a small table with his wife Teresa Heinz and the Assads in 2009.

Assad and Kerry, then a Massachusetts senator, lean in towards each other and appear deep in conversation as their spouses look on.

A waiter is pictured at their side with a tray of green drinks, believed to be lemon and crushed mint.

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Cosy: This astonishing photograph shows the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and his wife having an intimate dinner with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and his wife in 2009
Cosy: This astonishing photograph shows the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and his wife having an intimate dinner with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and his wife in 2009

Cosy: This astonishing photograph shows the U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry and his wife having an intimate dinner with Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad and his wife in 2009
Relaxed: A waiter carries over a tray of drinks, which appear to look like cocktails

The picture was likely taken in February 2009 in the Naranj restaurant in Damascus, when Kerry led a delegation to Syria to discuss finding a way forward for peace in the region.

While President Barack Obama has softened his military threat against Syria by putting the question to Congress and guaranteeing at least a week's delay, Kerry remains outspoken about the dangers posed by the Syrian regime.






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He said that Assad 'has now joined the list of Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein' in deploying chemical weapons against his own people.

Kerry said Sunday that the U.S. now has evidence that sarin nerve gas was used in Syria and that 'the case gets stronger by the day' for a military attack.


Speaking out: US Secretary of State John Kerry last week said the U.S. knows 'with high confidence' the Syrian regime used chemical weapons in an attack last week
Speaking out: US Secretary of State John Kerry last week said the U.S. knows 'with high confidence' the Syrian regime used chemical weapons in an attack


Couple: Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is pictured with his British-born wife Asma Assad
Couple: Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is pictured with his British-born wife Asma Assad






Under pressure: Syrian President Bashar Assad, right, is pictured in a meeting yesterday. Kerry has described him as a ¿thug and murderer¿
Under pressure: Syrian President Bashar Assad, right, is pictured in a meeting yesterday. Kerry has described him as a 'thug and murderer'

During a passionate speech in Washington last Friday, he called Assad a 'thug and murderer,' and urged the world to act. 'History would judge us all extraordinarily harshly if we turned a blind eye to a dictator,' Kerry insisted.

The Obama administration has placed the Syrian chemical weapons death toll on the outskirts of Damascus at 1,429 people - far more than previous estimates - including more than 400 children.


SEVEN MILLION SYRIANS DISPLACED



The head of the U.N. refugee agency in Syria says seven million Syrians, or almost one-third of the population, have been displaced by the country's civil war.


Tarik Kurdi said that five million of the displaced are still in Syria while about 2 million have fled to neighboring countries.


He says two million children are among those directly affected by the war.


Kurdi says U.N. assistance has been a 'drop in the sea of humanitarian need' and that the funding gap is 'very, very wide.' He says international donors have sent less than one-third of the money needed to help those displaced by the war.


More than 100,000 Syrians have been killed since an uprising against Syrian President Bashar Assad erupted in 2011.
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Kerry has said he is confident that Congress will give Obama its backing for an attack against Syria, but the former Massachusetts senator also said the president has authority to act on his own if Congress doesn't give its approval.

While Kerry stopped short of saying Obama was committed to such a course even if lawmakers refuse to authorize force, he did say that 'we are not going to lose this vote.'

Congress is scheduled to return from a summer break on September 9. House Speaker John Boehner has said a vote will likely take place that week.

Senator John McCain said on Sunday that Assad will be 'euphoric' about Obama's decision to wait for Congress before scrambling his bombers.


The French parliament could act sooner. A debate is scheduled Wednesday on taking action on Syria, as President François Hollande has come under increasing pressure to seek legislative approval for joining the U.S. in any attack.


On Saturday evening, centrist UDI party leader Jean-Louis Borloo insisted that 'like the U.S. president, who decided to consult the U.S. Congress in the name of democratic principles, the French president must organize, after the debate, a formal vote in parliament.'


What was once considered a certain three-pronged attack on Syria from the U.S., France and the UK was reduced to a bilateral affair on Thursday, as Britain's parliament shot down Prime Minister David Cameron's request for involvement in a strike against Assad.


A day later, Kerry began flattering France as America's 'oldest ally,' in hopes of ensuring that Paris didn't follow London's lead.
Hundreds died in the alleged chemical attacks on Wednesday, including many women and children Horrific: Hundreds died in the alleged chemical attacks, including many women and children

French Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault now says he will share top-secret intelligence with his nation's parliament on Wednesday.


'We are going to give the MPs everything we have – classified until now – to enable every one of them to take on board the reality of this unacceptable attack,' he said Monday.


Elisabeth Guigou, president of the foreign affairs committee in France's National Assembly, said Monday that – told France info: Ayrault planned to show MPs 'evidence the attack took place and that it could only have been the regime who were behind it.'


On Sunday a government source told the French news agency Agence France-Presse that the French will soon make public a trove of documents over the years, showing Syria stockpiling chemical weapons.


One of the loudest critics of the administration's handling of Syria, McCain criticised Obama in an interview on CBS's Face the Nation.

Referring to Obama's famous statement that the use of chemical weapons in Syria would cross a red line, McCain said: 'He didn't say, "It's a red line - and by the way I'm going to have to seek the approval of Congress." He said it was a red line, and that the United States of America would act.'

'That's a big difference,' McCain insisted. 'And that's one of the reasons why this is so problematic.'

The Arizona Republican, whom Obama defeated for the presidency in 2008, said the president asked him to come to the White House on Monday, specifically to discuss Syria.The Prime Minister said the Syrian regime had used chemical weapons on 10 other occasions before the attack that killed up to 1,200 in Damascus last week and warned the world 'should not stand idly by'

Awful: Secretary of State John Kerry said images like these contributed to the U.S. assessment that chemical weapons were used in Syria

Democrats, too, are expressing frustration at Obama's failure to act decisively after his 'red line' speech.

Charles Rangel, who represents the Harlem section of New York City, said Monday said 'of course it's embarrassing' that the president didn't act immediately after chemical weapons use was discovered.

Rangel opposes a Syrian military strike but said Obama's delay on Saturday was also a major embarrassment to Kerry – who had demanded strong action a day earlier.

It's 'unheard of,' Rangel said on MSNBC, that a president would allow the world to see him issuing an empty threat.

'So of course it's embarrassing, I wish it didn't happen, ' he said. '

'I guess Secretary Kerry is even more embarrassed than me after making his emotional speech that this was urgent.'

Tension:
Tension: President Bashar Assad will be 'euphoric' about Obama's decision to wait for Congress over Syria, according to Sen. John McCain

Firm:
Firm: Russia's foreign minister Sergey Lavrov said evidence of alleged chemical weapons use by the Syrian regime presented to Moscow by the U.S. and its allies is 'absolutely unconvincing'

Obama is hoping Congress's most intractable foreign policy hawks will help sell the idea of U.S. military intervention in Syria to a nation already deeply scarred by more than a decade of war in the Middle East.

Having announced over the weekend that he will seek congressional approval for military strikes against the Assad regime, the Obama administration is now trying to rally support among Americans and their elected representatives.

Obama's meeting with McCain is meant to quell fears that Obama isn't doing enough to punish Assad's government for the presumed sarin gas attack in the Damascus suburbs last month.

But some Republican and Democratic lawmakers don't want to see military action at all.

Obama's turnabout on Syria sets the stage for the biggest foreign policy vote in Congress since the Iraq war.

On Sunday, Secretary of State John Kerry said the U.S. received new physical evidence in the form of blood and hair samples that shows sarin gas was used in the August 21 attack.

'We know that the regime ordered this attack,' he said. 'We know they prepared for it. We know where the rockets came from. We know where they landed. We know the damage that was done afterwards.'

Crisis talks: President Obama and Vice-President Biden meet with Secretary of State John Kerry and National Security Advisor Susan Rice to discuss Syria on Sunday
Crisis talks: President Obama and Vice-President Biden meet with Secretary of State John Kerry and National Security Advisor Susan Rice to discuss Syria on Sunday


Debate: The President meets national security advisers to discuss possible military action
Debate: The President meets national security advisers to discuss possible military action

Kerry's assertion coincided with the beginning of a forceful administration appeal for congressional support.

On Capitol Hill, senior administration officials briefed lawmakers in private to explain why the U.S. must act.

Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough also made calls to individual lawmakers.

Classified meetings have been planned for this week. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee plans a to hear from Kerry and Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel on Tuesday.






Kerry describing Syria's Assad as a thug and murderer


[video]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2408805/Kerrys-cosy-dinner-Syrias-Hitler-Secretary-State-man-likened-German-dictator-pictured-dining-wives-Damascus-restaurant-civil-war-broke-out.html[/video]

 

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This is hardly surprising. This isn't the first time the debauchery of the US Administration has been exposed, and this certainly won't be that last.
 

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Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.

By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh

Gavlak is a MintPress News Middle East correspondent who has been freelancing for the AP as a Amman, Jordan correspondent for nearly a decade. This report is not an Associated Press article; rather it is exclusive to MintPress News.

Ghouta, Syria — As the machinery for a U.S.-led military intervention in Syria gathers pace following last week's chemical weapons attack, the U.S. and its allies may be targeting the wrong culprit.

Interviews with people in Damascus and Ghouta, a suburb of the Syrian capital, where the humanitarian agency Doctors Without Borders said at least 355 people had died last week from what it believed to be a neurotoxic agent, appear to indicate as much.
Full article: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack | Global Research
 

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Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan seriously Prince Bandar.......... Oooh boy the name is funny :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
 

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I have created a new thread regarding the same however it got merged with this thread and the post is in page 180 post 2691 i guess however for those who are lazy like me here u go..............
Putin Orders Massive Strike Against Saudi Arabia If West Attacks Syria | EUTimes.net
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A grim "urgent action memorandum" issued today from the office of President Putin to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is ordering a "massive military strike" against Saudi Arabia in the event that the West attacks Syria.

According to Kremlin sources familiar with this extraordinary "war order," Putin became "enraged" after his early August meeting with Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan who warned that if Russia did not accept the defeat of Syria, Saudi Arabia would unleash Chechen terrorists under their control to cause mass death and chaos during the Winter Olympics scheduled to be held 7-23 February 2014 in Sochi, Russia.

Lebanese newspaper As-Safir confirmed this amazing threat against Russia saying that Prince Bandar pledged to safeguard Russia's naval base in Syria if the Assad regime is toppled, but he also hinted at Chechen terrorist attacks on Russia's Winter Olympics in Sochi if there is no accord by stating: "I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us."

Prince Bandar went on to say that Chechens operating in Syria were a pressure tool that could be switched on an off. "These groups do not scare us. We use them in the face of the Syrian regime but they will have no role in Syria's political future."


London's The Telegraph News Service further reported today that Saudi Arabia has secretly offered Russia a sweeping deal to control the global oil market and safeguard Russia's gas contracts, if the Kremlin backs away from the Assad regime in Syria, an offer Putin replied to by saying "Our stance on Assad will never change. We believe that the Syrian regime is the best speaker on behalf of the Syrian people, and not those liver eaters" [Putin said referring to footage showing a Jihadist rebel eating the heart and liver of a Syrian soldier HERE], and which Prince Bandar in turn warned that there can be "no escape from the military option" if Russia declines the olive branch.

Critical to note, and as we had previously reported on in our 28 January 2013 report "Obama Plan For World War III Stuns Russia," the Federal Security Services (FSB) confirmed the validity of the released hacked emails of the British based defence company, Britam Defence that stunningly warned the Obama regime was preparing to unleash a series of attacks against both Syria and Iran in a move Russian intelligence experts warned could very well cause World War III.

According to this FSB report, Britam Defence, one of the largest private mercenary forces in the world, was the target of a "massive hack" of its computer files by an "unknown state sponsored entity" this past January who then released a number of critical emails between its top two executives, founder Philip Doughty and his Business Development Director David Goulding.

The two most concerning emails between Doughty and Goulding, this report says, states that the Obama regime has approved a "false flag" attack in Syria using chemical weapons, and that Britam has been approved to participate in the West's warn on Iran, and as we can read:


Email 1: Phil, We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington. We'll have to deliver a CW (chemical weapon) to Homs (Syria), a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have. They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record. Frankly, I don't think it's a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion? Kind regards David

Email 2: Phil, Please see attached details of preparatory measures concerning the Iranian issue. Participation of Britam in the operation is confirmed by the Saudis.

With the events now spiraling out of control in Syria, and London's Independent News Service now reporting that Prince Bandar is "pushing for war," Russian foreign ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich further warned the West today by stating, "Attempts to bypass the Security Council, once again to create artificial groundless excuses for a military intervention in the region are fraught with new suffering in Syria and catastrophic consequences for other countries of the Middle East and North Africa."

Heedless of Russian warnings which have fallen on deaf ears, however, British Prime Minister David Cameron this morning recalled the British Parliament to vote on attacking Syria as the Obama regime abruptly cancelled their meeting with Russia scheduled for tomorrow on finding a path to peace for Syria, and the West begins its plans to attack the Syrian nation "within days."

As Syria itself has warned that should it be attacked by the West there will be "global chaos," the Western peoples themselves have not been told of the fact that on 17 May 2013, Putin ordered Russian military forces to "immediately move" from Local War to Regional War operational status and to be "fully prepared" to expand to Large-Scale War should either the US or EU enter into the Syrian Civil War, a situation they are still in at this very hour.


With Putin's previous order, and as we had reported on in our 17 May report "Russia Issues "All-Out War" Alert Over Syria," and now combined with his new ordering of massive retaliatory strikes against Saudi Arabia, any attack on Syria is viewed by Russia as being an attack on itself.

And as we had previously explained in great detail, the fight over Syria, being led by Saudi Arabia and Qatar and their lap-dog Western allies, has but one single objective: To break Russia's hold on the European Union natural gas market which a pipeline through Syria would accomplish, and as reported by London's Financial Times News Service this past June:

"The tiny gas-rich state of Qatar has spent as much as $3bn over the past two years supporting the rebellion in Syria, far exceeding any other government, but is now being nudged aside by Saudi Arabia as the prime source of arms to rebels.

The cost of Qatar's intervention, its latest push to back an Arab revolt, amounts to a fraction of its international investment portfolio. But its financial support for the revolution that has turned into a vicious civil war dramatically overshadows western backing for the opposition.

Qatar [also] has proposed a gas pipeline from the Gulf to Turkey in a sign the emirate is considering a further expansion of exports from the world's biggest gasfield after it finishes an ambitious programme to more than double its capacity to produce liquefied natural gas (LNG)."

And in what is, perhaps, the most unimaginable cause to start World War III over Syria was noted by Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Aleksandr Lukashevich who said this past week: "We're getting more new evidence that this criminal act was of a provocative nature," he stressed. "In particular, there are reports circulating on the Internet, in particular that the materials of the incident and accusations against government troops had been posted for several hours before the so-called attack. Thus, it was a pre-planned action."

For the West to have so sloppily engineered yet another "false flag" attack to justify a war where they posted the videos of this so-called chemical weapons attack a full day before it was said to occur is the height of arrogance and disdain, but which their sleep-walking citizens, yet again, will fall for as they have done so many times in the past.



Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack

Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.

By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh

Gavlak is a MintPress News Middle East correspondent who has been freelancing for the AP as a Amman, Jordan correspondent for nearly a decade. This report is not an Associated Press article; rather it is exclusive to MintPress News.



Full article: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack | Global Research
 
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I don't know what the US aims are with their limited strike plans, but Hollande has made it clear France intends to level the playing field so the rebels can force Assad to the table. That is going to include far more than chem weapon strikes. It will be interesting to see if Obama comes along for the ride or if he will bail like be did in Libya.
 

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Intruding Syria is a Best Business option

Saudi's already said that they will take care of the Countries economy and Pay the money who Strikes Syria..


And Also If Russia Steps back from Assad it"s clear that they got money from the Arab's


I read somewhere Some Indian Mujahidins are found in Damascuss Is that true
 

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I don't know what the US aims are with their limited strike plans, but Hollande has made it clear France intends to level the playing field so the rebels can force Assad to the table. That is going to include far more than chem weapon strikes. It will be interesting to see if Obama comes along for the ride or if he will bail like be did in Libya.
So are you saying, once US strikes syria france will takeover and ensure that there is a level playing field between regime and rebel forces?? Will this mean daily sorties, becuase 2-3 days of strikes on certain places will not help rebels much. So france will be doing a libya on syria??
 

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Re: France Ready to Strike Syria

BEST CHANCE

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"Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" — so the British parliament decided that it didn't want to be shamed by following another prime minister into another unwinnable war on the basis, yet again, of shoddy intelligence reports. It voted 282-275 against committing British forces to the planned American attack on Syria. Then the president of the United States of America, Barack Obama, followed the British government's example by announcing that he would seek the approval of Congress before launching strikes on Syria. He still felt that the Syrian regime should be punished for using poison gas, he said, but it turns out that the operation is not "time-sensitive" after all. Everything can wait until the US Congress resumes sitting.

This came as a great surprise to many people, but it shouldn't have. Obama is probably secretly grateful to Britain for pulling out, because it has given him an excuse to postpone the attack — maybe even to cancel it, in the end. He foolishly painted himself into a corner with his tongue last year by talking about a "red line" that he would never allow the Assad regime in Syria to cross, but he wasn't elected to be policeman of the world.

That was the role George W. Bush tried to play, but American voters want no more of the wars that come with it. Obama got US troops out of Iraq, and they'll soon be out of Afghanistan as well. He doesn't want to end up fighting a war in Syria, and that will be hard to avoid if he starts bombing. "Once we take action, we should be prepared for what comes next," wrote General Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, only one month ago. "Deeper involvement is hard to avoid."

Obama's problem is that he has fallen into the clutches of Washington's foreign policy establishment, which has enduring purposes and prejudices that usually overpower the particular views and wishes of passing presidents and Congresses. Consider its six-decade loathing of Cuba and its 35-year vendetta against Iran. (It hates to be successfully defied.)

This establishment has no problems with weapons of mass destruction so long as they are on its side. It has never renounced the right to initiate the use of nuclear weapons, although they are a 100 times deadlier than poison gas. It didn't even mind the Shah of Iran working to get them, back when he was Washington's designated enforcer in the Middle East. But it has never forgiven the Iranians for overthrowing the Shah. Washington then switched to backing its new ally, Saddam Hussein, who used poison gas extensively in his war against Iran in 1980-88. The US air force intelligence officers helped Saddam plan his gas attacks on Iran's trenches, and the Central Intelligence Agency tried to pin the blame for Saddam's use of gas against the Kurds on Iran instead. Now Saddam is gone and Iraq is Iran's ally. But Iran is still the main enemy, and the game goes on.

Syria is Iran's ally, so Washington has always seen the regime in Damascus as an enemy too. Over a thousand Egyptians murdered in the streets of Cairo by the army that overthrew the elected government last month is no cause for US intervention, because Egypt is an ally. Over a thousand Syrians killed in the streets of Damascus by poison gas requires an American military response, because Bashar al-Assad's regime is the enemy.

Assad's regime must not be destroyed, because then al-Qaida might inherit power in Syria. But it must be whacked quite hard, so that it dumps Assad — and with him, perhaps, the alliance with Iran. The gas is a pretext, not the real motive for the promised strikes. Obama rightly fears that even a "limited" American attack on Syria could end up as a full-scale war. The events in London have won him some time, and "letting Congress decide" is his best chance to escape from his dilemma. What could possibly go wrong?

Best Chance
 

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Obama's problem is that he has fallen into the clutches of Washington's foreign policy establishment, which has enduring purposes and prejudices that usually overpower the particular views and wishes of passing presidents and Congresses. Consider its six-decade loathing of Cuba and its 35-year vendetta against Iran. (It hates to be successfully defied.)
Let's not forget what Iran did in 1979 before lamenting about "vendetta." By it's actions at that time, Iran put itself outside the pale. If it had been India's embassy attacked, the same attitude would prevail in India.

Iran hostage crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fifty-two Americans were held hostage for 444 days (November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981), after a group of Iranian students supporting the Iranian Revolution took over the American Embassy in Tehran.[1] President Carter called the hostages "victims of terrorism and anarchy," adding that "the United States will not yield to blackmail."[2]
 

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@W.G.Ewald If US has reasons to pursue a certain policy towards iran due to embassy hostage in 1979, probably even iranians felt the same way as cia had also engineered/assisited in 1953 iran coup.
CIA acknowledges role in '53 Iran coup

All am saying is if usa has reasons to act in the way it acts, maybe even iran has reasons to act the way it acts. Who is right, who is not is something left to each other
 
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