The Syrian Crisis

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@W.G.Ewald when is kerry speaking?? There are rumours on twitter/internet that kerry will be giving assad an ultimatum or something like that???
 
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So it will be obama announcing the "actual actions" which will be taken.
 

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Meanwhile from the link above posted
U.S. military options in Syria: A briefing
The United States has four destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean, close to Syria. But the U.S. Navy maintains a steady presence in the Mediterranean, so the temporary increase appears to be more for saber-rattling than a tactical step to ready for an attack.

American destroyers can already launch attacks against Syrian targets from much farther west in the Mediterranean. And there has been no sign that the United States is moving any additional assets that would suggest imminent action from those ships.
 

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With kerry making no mention about any UN resolution or anything like, it seems that UN will be bypassed.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/world/middleeast/syria-assad.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


LONDON — Snipers opened fire Monday on a convoy of United Nations inspectors heading toward the site of a suspected chemical weapons attack in Syria, disabling the lead vehicle with multiple shots to the tires and windshield, the United Nations said, but the inspectors still managed to visit two hospitals, interview witnesses and doctors and collect patient samples for the first time since the attack last week that claimed hundreds of lives.

Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said in a statement that he had instructed his top disarmament official, Angela Kane, who was visiting Damascus, to register a "strong complaint to the Syrian government and authorities of opposition forces" to ensure the safety of the inspectors after the assault. There was no indication that any member of the inspection team had been hurt.

Mr. Ban's spokesman, Farhan Haq, told reporters at a regular daily briefing at United Nations headquarters in New York that the assailants, who had not been identified, fired on the first vehicle in the convoy, which was "hit in its tires and its front window, ultimately it was not able to travel further."

Mr. Haq said the inspectors, who numbered about a dozen, resumed their trip to a suspected attack site in a Damascus suburb after the vehicle was replaced, visiting two hospitals and interviewing witnesses, survivors and doctors. "They took a number of relevant samples, they feel very satisfied with the results of their work," Mr. Haq said. A second visit was planned for Tuesday.

Antigovernment activists posted videos online of United Nations inspectors in blue helmets arriving in the Moadamiya area, southwest of the capital, where they were shown entering a clinic and interviewing patients.

Moadamiya is a rebel-held suburb where antigovernment activists reported the smaller of two suspected chemical attacks last Wednesday. Videos posted then showed patients in a rebel field hospital apparently having trouble breathing.

The visit by the United Nations inspectors to the Damascus suburb, in a half-dozen vehicles escorted by Syrian security forces, came shortly after President Bashar al-Assad of Syria denied that his forces had used poison gas against his own citizens, and as divisions between outside powers over how to handle the crisis showed no signs of easing.

In an interview with the Russian newspaper Izvestia, published on Monday, Mr. Assad said accusations that his forces had used chemical weapons were illogical and an "outrage against common sense." He warned the United States that military intervention in Syria would bring "failure just like in all the previous wars they waged, starting with Vietnam and up to the present day."

Mr. Assad's choice of a Russian newspaper to air his views seemed to reflect Moscow's strong support for the Syrian leader after last week's attack on the outskirts of Damascus, which claimed hundreds of lives.

On Sunday, a spokesman for Russia's Foreign Ministry, Aleksandr K. Lukashevich, said that those who advocated an armed response to any chemical weapons attack — without citing the United States or other countries — were prejudging the results of the United Nations inspections.

"In these conditions, we again resolutely call on all those who are trying to impose the results of the U.N. investigations and who say that armed actions against Syria is possible to show common sense and avoid tragic mistakes," Mr. Lukashevich said in a statement released on the ministry's Web site.

While Mr. Assad has said he would give weapons inspectors access to the site, the gesture has been greeted with widespread skepticism in the West, with critics saying that the offer came too late for inspectors to make an accurate assessment of what happened. The British foreign secretary, William Hague, complained on Monday that access was not "unimpeded" since it was limited to a "certain number of hours."

British officials also said on Monday that Prime Minister David Cameron would cut short a vacation in Cornwall, in southwest England, to return to London and head a meeting of senior ministers on Wednesday. His gesture seemed designed to heighten the mood of crisis as outside powers wrestle with Mr. Assad's refusal to bow to the West.

"If someone dreams about turning Syria into a puppet of the West, it simply will not happen," Mr. Assad told Izvestia. "We are an independent government, and we will battle with terrorism and we will freely build relations with those countries whom we want to."

In an interview Monday with Europe 1, a French radio station, Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius of France, said "all options" were still open in crafting an international response, but "the only option I do not envisage is to do nothing." France has been a close ally of the rebels seeking Mr. Assad's ouster in the country's civil war.

Mr. Fabius said there was no doubt that chemical weapons had been used and outside powers would negotiate a "proportionate response" in the "days to come."

In the welter of diplomatic maneuvering, Turkey, also a strong supporter of the rebels, said it would join an international coalition against Mr. Assad if the United Nations Security Council could not reach a consensus, Reuters reported, quoting Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu in an interview with the Milliyet newspaper.

In London, Mr. Hague took a similar approach to an international response. "Is it possible to respond to chemical weapons without complete unity on the U.N. Security Council?" he told the BBC in a radio interview. "I would argue yes it is, otherwise it might be impossible to respond to such outrages, such crimes, and I don't think that's an acceptable situation."

Russia's foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, warned against prejudgment about the use of chemical weapons, saying that the United States and other countries had already mistakenly drawn conclusions by raising the specter of punitive military strikes. As Russia has asserted previously, Mr. Lavrov suggested that the attacks had been orchestrated by the rebels or other nongovernmental forces, saying it was illogical that the Syrian government would have launched an attack that would prompt an international response.

Mr. Lavrov warned that any Western intervention would be a "serious mistake," evoking the experiences of interventions in Iraq and Libya in particular.

"If someone thinks that, having bombed the Syrian military infrastructure and having left the battlefield such that the enemies of the regime will seize victory, that all this will end, it's an illusion," Mr. Lavrov told reporters at the Foreign Ministry in Moscow. "Even if such a victory is achieved, the civil war will continue. "

He said that bypassing the United Nations Security Council to move militarily against the Syrian government would be "the grossest violation of international law" that would "sharply worsen the situation."

In the interview with Izvestia, Mr. Assad said, "America has taken part in many wars but could not once achieve its political goals for which the wars were started. Yes, it is true, the great powers can wage wars but can they win them?"

He said government troops would have risked killing their own forces if they had used chemical weapons. "This contradicts elementary logic," news reports quoted him as saying. It is "not us but our enemies who are using chemical weapons," he said, referring to antigovernment rebels as "the terrorists."

For his part, President Obama has not decided to take action, officials in Washington said on Sunday. But, moving a step closer to possible American military involvement in Syria, a senior Obama administration official said that there was "very little doubt" that Mr. Assad's military forces had used chemical weapons against civilians and that a Syrian promise to allow United Nations inspectors access to the site was "too late to be credible."

Chuck Hagel, the American defense secretary, said Monday during a trip to Indonesia that the United States was examining all options but would not act alone. Speaking to reporters, Mr. Hagel said: "if there is any action taken, it will be in concert with the international community and within the framework of legal justification."

In Israel, a senior government official said Monday it was "crystal clear" that Mr. Assad's forces used chemical weapons last week and called the United Nations investigation effort a "joke." The official said that Iran, a close ally of the Syrian leader, should also be held responsible.

"The world cannot allow this to proceed," Yuval Steinitz, Israel's minister of international affairs, strategy and intelligence, told international reporters at a briefing Monday morning in Jerusalem. "The Iranians are already trying to isolate themselves from the use of chemical weapons. This is a kind of hypocrisy. You cannot be part of this terrible, brutal war and say, 'Yeah, I participate in the war but I isolate myself, I separate myself from the use of chemical weapons.' Assad today is almost a total proxy to Iran."

Echoing other Israeli leaders, Mr. Steinitz suggested that the Syria situation was a kind of harbinger regarding Iran's disputed nuclear program. "If Iran would get nuclear weapons, it's going to create a new, very dangerous new world, this is a global game-changer," he said.

Regarding the United Nations inspectors' search for evidence that chemical weapons were used, Mr. Steinitz said, "This is becoming a joke."


Reporting was contributed by Andrew Roth and Noah Sneider from Moscow, Ben Hubbard from Beirut, Lebanon, Jodi Rudoren from Jerusalem and Rick Gladstone from New York.
 

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warplanes spotted in Cyprus as tensions rise in Damascus
Warplanes and military transporters have begun arriving at Britain's Akrotiri airbase on Cyprus, less than 100 miles from the Syrian coast, in a sign of increasing preparations for a military strike against the Assad regime in Syria.

Residents near the British airfield, a sovereign base since 1960, also say activity there has been much higher than normal over the past 48 hours. If an order to attack targets in Syria is given, Cyprus is likely to be a hub of the air campaign.
 

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Text of Kerry's Statement on Chemical Weapons in Syria
Well, for the last several days President Obama and his entire national security team have been reviewing the situation in Syria. And today I want to provide an update on our efforts as we consider our response to the use of chemical weapons.

What we saw in Syria last week should shock the conscience of the world. It defies any code of morality. Let me be clear. The indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity. By any standard, it is inexcusable. And despite the excuses and equivocations that some have manufactured, it is undeniable.

The meaning of this attack goes beyond the conflict on Syria itself. And that conflict has already brought so much terrible suffering. This is about the large-scale indiscriminate use of weapons that the civilized world long ago decided must never be used at all, a conviction shared even by countries that agree on little else.

There is a clear reason that the world has banned entirely the use of chemical weapons. There is a reason the international community has set a clear standard and why many countries have taken major steps to eradicate these weapons. There is a reason why President Obama has made it such a priority to stop the proliferation of these weapons, and lock them down where they do exist. There is a reason why President Obama has made clear to the Assad regime that this international norm cannot be violated without consequences. And there is a reason why no matter what you believe about Syria, all peoples and all nations who believe in the cause of our common humanity must stand up to assure that there is accountability for the use of chemical weapons so that it never happens again.

Last night, after speaking with foreign ministers from around the world about the gravity of this situation, I went back and I watched the videos -- the videos that anybody can watch in the social media, and I watched them one more gut-wrenching time. It is really hard to express in words the the human suffering that they lay out before us.

As a father, I can't get the image out of my head of a man who held up his dead child, wailing while chaos swirled around him, the images of entire families dead in their beds without a drop of blood or even a visible wound, bodies contorting in spasms, human suffering that we can never ignore or forget. Anyone who could claim that an attack of this staggering scale could be contrived or fabricated needs to check their conscience and their own moral compass.

What is before us today is real, and it is compelling.

So I also want to underscore that while investigators are gathering additional evidence on the ground, our understanding of what has already happened in Syria is grounded in facts, informed by conscience and guided by common sense. The reported number of victims, the reported symptoms of those who were killed or injured, the firsthand accounts from humanitarian organizations on the ground, like Doctors Without Borders and the Syria Human Rights Commission -- these all strongly indicate that everything these images are already screaming at us is real, that chemical weapons were used in Syria.

Moreover, we know that the Syrian regime maintains custody of these chemical weapons. We know that the Syrian regime has the capacity to do this with rockets. We know that the regime has been determined to clear the opposition from those very places where the attacks took place. And with our own eyes, we have all of us become witnesses.

We have additional information about this attack, and that information is being compiled and reviewed together with our partners, and we will provide that information in the days ahead.

Our sense of basic humanity is offended not only by this cowardly crime but also by the cynical attempt to cover it up. At every turn, the Syrian regime has failed to cooperate with the U.N. investigation, using it only to stall and to stymie the important effort to bring to light what happened in Damascus in the dead of night. And as Ban Ki- moon said last week, the U.N. investigation will not determine who used these chemical weapons, only whether such weapons were used, a judgement that is already clear to the world.

I spoke on Thursday with Syrian Foreign Minister Muallem, and I made it very clear to him that if the regime, as he argued, had nothing to hide, then their response should be immediate: immediate transparency, immediate access, not shelling. Their response needed to be unrestricted and immediate access. Failure to permit that, I told him, would tell its own story.

Instead, for five days the Syrian regime refused to allow the U.N. investigators access to the site of the attack that would allegedly exonerate them. Instead, it attacked the area further, shelling it and systematically destroying evidence. That is not the behavior of a government that has nothing to hide. That is not the action of a regime eager to prove to the world that it had not used chemical weapons. In fact, the regime's belated decision to allow access is too late and is too late to be credible.

Today's reports of an attack on the U.N. investigators, together with the continued shelling of these very neighborhoods, only further weakens the regime's credibility. At President Obama's direction, I've spent many hours over the last few days on the phone with foreign ministers and other leaders. The administration is actively consulting with members of Congress, and we will continue to have these conversations in the days ahead. President Obama has also been in close touch with the leaders of our key allies, and the president will be making an informed decision about how to respond to this indiscriminate use of chemical weapons.

But make no mistake: President Obama believes there must be accountability for those who would use the world's most heinous weapons against the world's most vulnerable people. Nothing today is more serious, and nothing is receiving more serious scrutiny.

Thank you.
 

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something worse going to happen in Syria...
It's not just about Syria since whole of middle east is on a brink of a full fledged war.It's already in civil war.

And the bigger danger if war spills out of the region.

Next few days are going to be important.
 

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Indian interests lie with assad and not the wahabhi nutjobs he's fighting against.

We must let our views be known in the international arena.
 

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Indian interests lie with assad and not the wahabhi nutjobs he's fighting against.

We must let our views be known in the international arena.
Actually our stated stance is confusing.


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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/world/middleeast/syria-assad.html?_r=0

Kerry is expressing outrage here @nrupatunga, an ultimatum from Kerry at this time would seem to have little impact as it would follow Obama's earlier "red lines."

The chemical weapons have already been used. Now the job is to identify who used them. What weapons were used (rockets?), what system was employed, etc. What evidence remains?

News reports say the UN team is again attempting to investigate after being fired upon by unknown elements.
 
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Is Assad so stupid as to use chemical weapons and end up painting a target on his arse... something is just not right
 

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