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The coalition said no missiles were intercepted and the UK UN ambassador just said no Russian air defences were activated. The Russians couldn't even pick up the Scalps flying right over their defence zone.
No missile enter the identification zone
http://tass.com/defense/999720
Top brass: Missiles of US, allies steered clear of Russian air defenses
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April 14, 7:34UTC+3
The United States, France and Britain have launched a joint operation against Syria
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MOSCOW, April 14. /TASS/. Not a single missile of those launched against Damascus ventured into the zones of Russian air defenses in Tartus and Hmeymim, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Saturday.





"None of the cruise missiles launched by the United States and its allies entered the zones of Russian air defenses around Tartus and Hmeymim," the Defense Ministry said.

Russia did not use its air defense systems in Syria to counter the missile strike of the US, UK and France, the Defense Ministry added.

"The Russian defense united deployed in the Syrian Arab Republic were not used to counter the strike," the ministry said.




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US, France, Britain begin operation against Syria


The missile strike against Syria’s military and civilian infrastructures was carried out by US planes and naval ships in cooperation with British and French air forces between 03:42 and 05:10 Moscow time on Saturday.

The United States, Britain and France said the strikes were a response to an alleged chemical weapons attack in Syria’s Douma.

According to some sources, approximately ten targets were attacked. The Syrian news agency SANA does not confirm this information. The Pentagon said twice as many weapons were fired as in April 2017 against the Shayrat airbase.



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No missile enter the identification zone
http://tass.com/defense/999720
The strike west of Homs was only 35km from the S-400 battery at Tartus. The French and UK Scalp missiles were fired from the direction of Cyprus which goes right over that battery.

Results of 2 Scalp EG (Rafale) and 3 Scalp Naval (FS Aquitaine), 8 Scalp EG Tornados 25km West of Homs 35km from S-400 at Tartus.


Results of 7 Scalp EG fired from Rafale at bunker 35km from S-400.



Both targets are in the Russian air defence zone.
 
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The coalition said no missiles were intercepted and the UK UN ambassador just said no Russian air defences were activated. The Russians couldn't even pick up the Scalps flying right over their defence zone.
The strike west of Homs was only 35km from the S-400 battery at Tartus. The French and UK Scalp missiles were fired from the direction of Cyprus which goes right over that battery.

Results of 2 Scalp EG (Rafale) and 3 Scalp Naval (FS Aquitaine), 8 Scalp EG Tornados 25km West of Homs 35km from S-400 at Tartus.


Results of 7 Scalp EG fired from Rafale at bunker 35km from S-400.



Both targets are in the Russian air defence zone.
According to South Front, 16 missiles were fired at Homs, 13 of'em we're intercepted.
 

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What and to whom did Trump show a missile attack on Syria?



The adventure launched by the United States in Syria, at first glance, may seem like an adventure. In fact, the order given by Trump to the military, who themselves a few hours ago claimed that "it is worth waiting for evidence of the use of chemical weapons," serves as the achievement of several goals for both Trump and the United States.

The first thing Trump did was to show the American top that he was a "cool cowboy" who "makes America strong again". And the top, judging by the comments in the American press, is ready to accept Trump's "cool cowboyism" as a given. It did not work out with the "rocketman" Kim Jong-no-see how deftly it turns out against the "animal Assad". Incidentally, this is an involuntary signal to those states that refuse to develop nuclear technologies: there is no nuclear weapons - we will bomb you if your policy does not suit us ... Trump tries to return to the format that he is holding his presidential word.

The second. This is the purpose of the American military-industrial complex. It consists in doing everything to make an attempt to discredit the Russian anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense systems. The signal of Saudi Arabia, Turkey, India and others - they say, think about it, guys, but do you know that you are negotiating with these Russians to buy anti-aircraft missile systems from them? "We will still launch as many Tomahawks as we need, and we will not be stopped." At the same time, this signal is for us, Russia. A signal about how to build an air defense system in modern conditions, which, as the current practice shows, has nothing in common with what was before. Although there is everything in common. Wanted to bomb the United States Belgrade - bombed. We wanted to bomb Damascus - one-off, but they're bombing.

Third. The United States frankly admits that they wanted to spit on international missions, including the OPCW, for any investigations, and will do what comes from their own interests, even if it goes against the rules of common sense.

All this by definition can not be ignored.

The smoke from missile strikes by the American-French-British coalition over Damascus:
 

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Putin equated the attack on Damascus on the bombing of Belgrade and Libya



Russian President Vladimir Putin reacted to the US missile strike against Syria.


"On April 14, the United States, with the support of its allies, struck a missile strike on the objects of the armed forces and civil infrastructure of the Syrian Republic," the statement said. - Without the sanction of the UN Security Council, in violation of the UN Charter, norms and principles of international law, an act of aggression against a sovereign state that is at the forefront of the fight against terrorism has been committed. Again, like a year ago, when the United States attacked the Shayrat airbase in Syria, the staging of the use of poisonous substances against the civilian population was used as a pretext - this time in the Duma, a suburb of Damascus. Russian military experts, having visited the place of the alleged incident, did not find any traces of the use of chlorine or other poisonous substances. No local resident confirmed the chemical attack. "

This attack is particularly cynical in that it prevents a fair investigation into what happened in East Gut.

"The Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons sent its experts to Syria to clarify all the circumstances, but the group of Western countries cynically neglected it, undertaking a military action without waiting for the outcome of the investigation," the president said. - Russia seriously condemns the attack on Syria, where Russian servicemen are helping the legitimate government in the fight against terrorism. By their actions, the United States further exacerbates the humanitarian catastrophe in Syria, suffers suffering to the civilian population, in fact they indulge the terrorists who have been tormenting the Syrian people for seven years, provoking a new wave of refugees from this country and the region as a whole. "

Russia is not going to put up with aggression, but it will be within the framework of international law.

"The current escalation of the situation around Syria has a devastating impact on the whole system of international relations," Putin said. - History will put everything in its place, and it has already laid on Washington the heavy responsibility for the bloody massacre with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya. Russia convenes an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council to discuss the aggressive actions of the US and its allies. "
 

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Looks like the French Armee de l’Air did not want to take any chances with possible bad encounters ... two AWACS !
 

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The French and UK Scalp missiles were fired from the direction of Cyprus which goes right over that battery.
You can program them to go around rather then above the battery . No cruise missile travel in a straight path to the target.
The strike west of Homs was only 35km from the S-400 battery at Tartus
Closer to 70 km, missile are based in Tartus city which is near to the cost.
 

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You can program them to go around rather then above the battery . No cruise missile travel in a straight path to the target.

Closer to 70 km, missile are based in Tartus city which is near to the cost.


Closer to 35km, strikes were in Shin west of Homs... you can't programme it to go over Lebanon which is sovereign airspace, we are not Israel.
 

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According to South Front, 16 missiles were fired at Homs, 13 of'em we're intercepted.
Seems plausible. That's the reason they fired 120+ missiles at all the targets in total. They were expecting some of them to be intercepted. They were probably testing the threshold for the Russian defense system to get overwhelmed by a swarm of missiles.

India has issued a statement telling all parties to show restraint. It's a shame really when one looks at how we are pressurized to adhere to UN norms while the US takes unilateral action. Syria is an ally of India. They have helped our intel operate safely in their region and even helped track India-specific terror groups. Even Iraq was a friend of India. India and France used to train Saddam's Army and Air Force and they used to give us oil and keep the Sunnis suppressed. Murica disrupted that too.

This is not just an attack on a far off land. It's an attack on our interests in the M.E. India must go beyond passing strong statements and start throwing reciprocal tantrums like taking unilateral actions of our own, against Pakistan. After all, they are Islamists too.

The Muricans were shedding crocodile tears when Myanmar Army attacked Islamists who were threatening Myanmar. Now the Yankees have hit someone/something in a foreign country, under the false premise of hitting Islamists. Where's the moral outrage from American mouthpieces?
 
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Seems plausible. That's the reason they fired 120+ missiles at all the targets in total. They were expecting some of them to be intercepted. They were probably testing the threshold for the Russian defense system to get overwhelmed by a swarm of missiles.

India has issued a statement telling all parties to show restraint. It's a shame really when one looks at how we are pressurized to adhere to UN norms while the US takes unilateral action. Syria is an ally of India. They have helped our intel operate safely in their region and even helped track India-specific terror groups. Even Iraq was a friend of India. India and France used to train their Army and Air Force and they used to give us oil and keep the Sunnis suppressed.

This is not just an attack on a far off land. It's an attack on our interests in the M.E. India must go beyond passing strong statements and start throwing reciprocal tantrums like taking unilateral actions of our own, against Pakistan.

The Muricans were shedding crocodile tears when Myanmar Army attacked Islamists who were threatening Myanmar. Now the Yankees have hit someone/something in a foreign country. Where's the moral outrage from American mouthpieces?
I really don't think India has any need to put boot their, this will hamper our dipolmatic relation. This attack has nothing to do in saving Syrian people, USA and France just want to advertise their weapon and decrease Russian military sale. Afghanisatan, Syria Egypt have become testing and advertising range of USA and Russian weapon. they will report now that all chemical weapon are destroyed and soon after few weeks there will be another chemical attack.

More ever when our own military is not interested in buying local weapon, putting boots in Syria means advertising western weapon for free for them and at cost of our won soldiers live
 

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Seems plausible. That's the reason they fired 120+ missiles at all the targets in total. They were expecting some of them to be intercepted. They were probably testing the threshold for the Russian defense system to get overwhelmed by a swarm of missiles.

India has issued a statement telling all parties to show restraint. It's a shame really when one looks at how we are pressurized to adhere to UN norms while the US takes unilateral action. Syria is an ally of India. They have helped our intel operate safely in their region and even helped track India-specific terror groups. Even Iraq was a friend of India. India and France used to train their Army and Air Force and they used to give us oil and keep the Sunnis suppressed.

This is not just an attack on a far off land. It's an attack on our interests in the M.E. India must go beyond passing strong statements and start throwing reciprocal tantrums like taking unilateral actions of our own, against Pakistan.

The Muricans were shedding crocodile tears when Myanmar Army attacked Islamists who were threatening Myanmar. Now the Yankees have hit someone/something in a foreign country. Where's the moral outrage from American mouthpieces?
Add couple of Pantsirs and threshold changes.

Add S-400 targeting system and 9M96E2 Missile and threshold increases exponentially.

No standard threshold in IADS.
 

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I really don't think India has any need to put boot their, this will hamper our dipolmatic relation. This attack has nothing to do in saving Syrian people, USA and France just want to advertise their weapon and decrease Russian military sale. Afghanisatan, Syria Egypt have become testing and advertising range of USA and Russian weapon. they will report now that all chemical weapon are destroyed and soon after few weeks there will be another chemical attack.

More ever when our own military is not interested in buying local weapon, putting boots in Syria means advertising western weapon for free for them and at cost of our won soldiers live
I didn't say we have to send troops to M.E. We must start pushing our weight in our own neighborhood under the SAME excuse used by the US to meddle in M.E. It's none other than the US which is the reason Pakistan is still thriving and safe. Let's hit them and see what the US has to say about respecting other people's sovereignty, just hours after they have violated someone else's.
 

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The strike west of Homs was only 35km from the S-400 battery at Tartus. The French and UK Scalp missiles were fired from the direction of Cyprus which goes right over that battery.

Results of 2 Scalp EG (Rafale) and 3 Scalp Naval (FS Aquitaine), 8 Scalp EG Tornados 25km West of Homs 35km from S-400 at Tartus.


Results of 7 Scalp EG fired from Rafale at bunker 35km from S-400.



Both targets are in the Russian air defence zone.
Dear @Armand2REP let's assume the best case scenario.

Let's assume that S-400 with 9M96E2 Missiles and 3 pantsirs were guarding Homs location.

Yet, it took 16 missiles (7 of'em might be Scalp EG) to destroy the target. Now from South Front we know that 13 of those missiles were destroyed enroute to target.

France has succeeded in their mission, no denying that. But at the cost is 16 missiles, let's count only 7 Scalp EGs.

The cost of each Scalp EG is $3.3 million as of 2011. Would you justify the cost incurred for this mission.

How many missions(cost) can France afford before it pulls out due to cost burden.

I exactly don't remember but I think it was around 2015-16, France has stopped it's missions due to higher costs. We all critized France for pulling off, hope you remember that.

At the end of the day, IADS aim is to increase the cost of each mission. In the full scale war scenario, these defenses (i.e. S-400 and Pantsirs) would move to protect another high value to target thus increase in the coat of future missions.

Thus I rest my case
 

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Seems plausible. That's the reason they fired 120+ missiles at all the targets in total. They were expecting some of them to be intercepted. They were probably testing the threshold for the Russian defense system to get overwhelmed by a swarm of missiles.

India has issued a statement telling all parties to show restraint. It's a shame really when one looks at how we are pressurized to adhere to UN norms while the US takes unilateral action. Syria is an ally of India. They have helped our intel operate safely in their region and even helped track India-specific terror groups. Even Iraq was a friend of India. India and France used to train Saddam's Army and Air Force and they used to give us oil and keep the Sunnis suppressed. Murica disrupted that too.

This is not just an attack on a far off land. It's an attack on our interests in the M.E. India must go beyond passing strong statements and start throwing reciprocal tantrums like taking unilateral actions of our own, against Pakistan. After all, they are Islamists too.

The Muricans were shedding crocodile tears when Myanmar Army attacked Islamists who were threatening Myanmar. Now the Yankees have hit someone/something in a foreign country, under the false premise of hitting Islamists. Where's the moral outrage from American mouthpieces?

Very gullible you are . French DOD said : zero missile downed. Where are all the wreckage from these 13 missiles ?

India‘s interests in ME attacked ?? How so ?
 
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