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I found only this, I hope it helps, I'll ask from my friends who do Gada exercise and tell you if they make some good points :-
1. You admit you don't know much about exercise. From this I also infer that you have not really worked out in your life.I was searching for the benefits of Dands as some of my friends were going to Akharas and Gyms together , and I found this article, hence I opened this thread to discuss and get some knowledge about Dands from members who have done it,
Only two members have been patient enough to argue with you, on a subject which you admit is not your forte.but it seems some highly "intellect" and "knowledgeable " westernized members have pissed off at the term "Hindu", and I am pleased at their frustration.
I assume you are referring to Uthak Baithak, as practiced by Pehalwans ?Hindu form of strength building is practiced for many centuries and is one of the oldest alive systems,
You mean intellectuals. I am flattered.still these intellect knows nothing about it.
1. By joining a gym, and actually doing an exercise, you do gain experiential knowledge.These people think that they have became a "knowledgeable" person by merely joining a Gym and doing some exercises and they think that they are better/superior than the professional trainers and gym instructors.
I don't care what an ignorant westerner thinks or believes.How many times I will have to explain it to you ?
From the OP to this post I didn't want to emphasize the "Hindu" term of these exercises but you and @Known_Unknown have specifically mentioned this term in "Inverted commas" and some have even used Buddhist, Sikh, Secular etc. terms to defend it being named as "Hindu xyz" but hard to their luck it is called so by the western world.
Sometimes, in life you don't get to hear what you want to hear.I wanted to discuss the benefits of Dands (Hindu push-ups) and Dive bomber-push-ups but no one seems interested to remain On Topic, everyone is pissed off at the term "Hindu". So this will be my last post on this thread.
Thanks for the update, great Sir.Indeed, and you were just counting weight increase as progressive overload, now update yourself.
Good Question.How many Akhara pehalwans have you seen with injured knees ? none. While it is a thousands of years old technique. There are many Akharas in my city I didn't find a single Akhara pehalwan with injured knees.Great Gama and Dara Singh kept doing more than 500+ Hindu squats daily why didn't they get knee injury?
Don't you want to thank me for introducing you to the concept of progressive overload ?Thanks for admitting that increasing the repetitions is also progressive overload.
What is the Key to maintaining muscle mass ? Resistance.And what a bodybuilder does when he gets satisfied with his strength and muscle buildup ? he doesn't keep increasing the weight after the point of his satisfaction, he just continues with the last weight he has used, so what will you say on this, is he injuring his joints ? or should he continuously keep increasing the weight throughout his life time until his dumbbells becomes barbells ?
Sample Size too small, and confirmation bias.That is your problem. There are many Akharas in my city as well as Gyms, and many people join both of them for a good overall strength and muscle development. And I have found that Akhara pehalwans who have done there for 2-3 years have a better stamina, shape (not muscles) and energy than Gym bodybuilders I personally know some of pehalwans (one is my client) who do Hindu squats regularly but never had any knee injuries. I have also worked out at Gym as well as Akhara situated in my Muhalla.
I distinctly remember, the portion that I have quoted, and wrote that person who wrote this was an idiot. I also distinctly remember saying I don't care what this foreigner says, that portion was absurd.If you would have cared to read his article carefully, you could have seen that he is specifically talking about endurance, strength and combat conditioning
1. Quite clear you were the one touting Hindu origins. In fact you just trained to paint Varzish-e-Pehalwani as having Hindu religious connotationsbut you guys are easily taken away if someone uses the term "Hindu",
I think so this is statement, could only be made by a bigot.and exposes the weakness of the people who belong to the minorities in India, they tend to jump in to denounce any thing labelled Hindu.
Pot calling Kettle Black. The irony.f it shouldn't be seen with the communal point of view they do see so. :-
Marketing gimmick.From OP - ...Many, many athletes who changed from a routine of weight training to Hindu squats, Hindu pushups and bridging, soon found that they were able to trounce those who used to beat them - and in each and every case, the people state that they have far more functional strength than ever before. It was not just endurance. It was strength AND endurance - as well as a heightened sense of one's body and energy field - one of the unspoken benefits of Hindu pushups that no one but Matt Furey talks about...
Classic confirmation bias. Because Uthak Baithak biomechanically inferior to Squats, (imho), I am anti-Hindu, because some Gora calls it Hindu Squats.Thanks for conforming my doubts that you are pissed off at the term "Hindu" and posting for the sake of denounce it.
Realizing one's idiocy is good. Working to change one's bigotry better.How idiot I am and how intelligent you are !
In fact it was your aim always to show the superiority of Hindu Strenghtbuilding and Uthak Baithaks. Which I have tried to show, is neither Hindu nor biomechanically superior.You guys have derailed the thread to denounce the term "Hindu" and it's very sad.
It is your non-Hindu Phobia and being slaves to the labels of a white man.It is your Hinduphobia,
So more worms of cans open.and you think that I am defending it because it has been called "Hindu", not mine. I opened the thread to know the benefits of Dands as I am doing Dands apart from my Gym schedule and I want to do it in a perfect manner to get a good benefit out of it,
So I am now anti-Hindu ? And because you are disagreeing with me, you are anti-Delhite, anti-Science, anti-Intellect, anti-Sikh, anti-Equality, anti-good quality Single Malts, pro-Dowry, pro-Incest, pro-antiboticsBut some anti-Hindu people are pissed off
Absolutely. In fact you should mail that guy, tell him that.at the term "Hindu" which is not named so by me.
Pot.Kettle.Black Redux.@pmaitra , mate please merge this thread with the fitness thread or close it, it seems no one is interested to discuss On topic, everyone seems to be interested in trolling the term "Hindu". Hence this is my last post on this thread.
Few Critiques.@Singh You said it better than I could. I have neither the time nor the patience to argue with @A chauhan. To each his own. I am convinced what I'm saying is right because I have a few years of experience, and nothing is a better educator than practical experience.
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My current schedule:
Cycling 5 Miles Mon-Fri (after workout)
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Monday: Chest
Flat Bench press 160-150 lbs x 5 sets, 6-7 reps each
Flyes 40-30 lb dumbbells x 5 sets 6-8 reps each
Incline Bench 55-45 lb dumbbells x 5 sets 6-7 reps each
Machine press 120 lbs x 5 sets 6-8 reps each
Dumbbell pullover 50 lb dumbbell x 5 sets 6-8 reps
Wednesday: Back
Deadlift 200-195 lbs x 5 sets 7-8 reps
Seated rows 150 lbs x 5 sets 6-8 reps
Lat pulldown 130-120 lbs x 5 sets 6-8 reps
Pull ups: As many as I can, usually 8-10
Standing overhead press: 100 lbs x 5 sets 6-7 reps
Friday: Arms
Bicep curls 45-35 lb dumbbells x 5 sets 5-7 reps
Hammer curls: same as above
Preacher curls 30 lb dumbbells x 5 sets 5-7 reps
Tricep pulldown 140-130 lbs x 5 sets 5-7 reps
Machine tricep pullover 130-120 lbs x 5 sets 5-7 reps
Forearm curls 130 lbs x 5 sets 5-7 reps
By the end of my workout, I'm usually so tired, I just go home, east something and sleep for 9-10 hours lol.....anything less and I'm drowsy and tired the whole of the next day.
OHP if done seated targets mainly shoulders, and I really want to focus as much as I can on chest exercises. That's why I do the standing OHP on Wednesday because when done standing, it targets everything from shoulders to back to even legs. Some weeks I am so tired and sore after doing chest and back that I am unable to spend a day on arms. It's important to listen to and be in tune with your body....some weeks, it may take me longer to recover than some others, so I adjust my exercises accordingly.Few Critiques.
1. Maybe do some OHPs instead of Incline Benches on Monday. Snce you are doing Push Exercies on Monday, then you can devote Pull exercises on Wednesday (OHP is Push)
2. If you are doing compound exercises like Heavy Bench Press, Heavy Pullups and Lat Pulldowns, and Deadlifts, you need not devote full day on accessories like Bis and Tris. They can be done after your main exercises.
3. No Legs ? Legs make up more than a third of your muscle mass ! Start with some Squats, if you can't do squats, do leg press, leg curls and leg extensions.
Impressive poundages, though. :thumb:
I also remember your earlier story about your dedication, grit and focus in getting healthy.
I used to be a weakling until a couple of years ago with a bit of a beer belly too lol. All one needs is hard work, consistency and the proper diet and slowly but surely, one will get bigger and stronger.@Known_Unknown,
You are doing a great job. You must be a very well built man. You lift far more weight than I do.
Keep it up and never lose sight. Working out is a lifestyle, and not a goal. You never stop.
I have a different conundrum.I used to be a weakling until a couple of years ago with a bit of a beer belly too lol. All one needs is hard work, consistency and the proper diet and slowly but surely, one will get bigger and stronger.
I am in a conundrum though, because I'm not sure when one should stop. As long as I keep seeing gains, I keep working out and if I hit a plateau, I just try to change things up a bit or work harder to get over it.....as I see it, one needs to be satisfied at *some* point. I don't think it would be practical to keep going to the gym my whole life....there needs to be a better way of maintaining my fitness level after I quit, and that is something I need to look into.
Nice, I don't have a six pack or even a four pack lol! Either you are very thin or you have massive abs from doing tons of crunches and sit ups. Pull ups are indeed very difficult to do...even the strongest bodybuilders can't manage more than 15-20 at a stretch. The key to improving your performance there is to have strong lats and biceps. Do wide-grip deadlifts for that.I have a different conundrum.
One day, while playing soccer, I hurt my tendon. Since then, I have a slight Achilles Heel. I have quit playing soccer since.
I do, however, run on the treadmill. I was very fat at one point. Now, I have a six pack. Let me tell you, it has been a torture to lose that fat belly. Right now, I am working on pull-ups with a wide grip. I can do 5 at a stretch, and I am trying to increase the count. Pushups, not a problem. I can keep going.
Crunches help strengthen your abdominal muscles, but they do not help drive out that fat layer covering those abdominal muscles.Nice, I don't have a six pack or even a four pack lol! Either you are very thin or you have massive abs from doing tons of crunches and sit ups. Pull ups are indeed very difficult to do...even the strongest bodybuilders can't manage more than 15-20 at a stretch. The key to improving your performance there is to have strong lats and biceps. Do wide-grip deadlifts for that.
One only needs to focus on a few basic exercises which have the most utility in everyday life to increase their "functional" strength. Among those are deadlifts, bench press, overhead press, squats and pull ups. These are most frequently used in real-life scenarios, the rest are just for increasing overall strength and aesthetic appeal.
Interesting. Never tried that. In the past, what's worked for me is taking multi-vitamin supplements, increasing my protein intake, increasing my total calories and even just sleeping longer! Another thing that worked was increasing the variety of my workout....for e.g I was stuck at bench-pressing 120 lbs for months, but then I switched completely from barbells to dumbbells and I started progressing again. That makes sense too because if you do the same exercises, only certain muscles will be worked out in a certain way, while the rest may remain weak. When you hit a plateau, its those weak muscles that are holding you back from progressing. Do you need to change your exercises so you target those weak muscles to make them stronger and hence improve your overall lift.@Known_Unknown De-conditioning. You taper off/stop lifting, you increase calories and rest for a few days, and then you again start increasing weights to push through the plateau.
For eg if you are stuck at 200lbs deadlift, take a break, pig out and then after a few days start at 170, then increase gradually till you are able to break your previous record.
LOL yep, you're right. But since I'm in my bulking phase (don't ever want to cut lol), I am putting on both muscle and fat. It's unavoidable. Only thing one can do is minimize the fat addition by doing a lot of cardio, and I am doing that.Crunches help strengthen your abdominal muscles, but they do not help drive out that fat layer covering those abdominal muscles.
The only thing that worked for me is running.
However, different people's bodies respond to different things.
If you are bulking, you must do legs.LOL yep, you're right. But since I'm in my bulking phase (don't ever want to cut lol), I am putting on both muscle and fat. It's unavoidable. Only thing one can do is minimize the fat addition by doing a lot of cardio, and I am doing that.