The paradox of Missile Transfer and Control Regime

[SPIEZ]

From the official link

The Missile Technology Control Regime is an informal and voluntary association of countries which share the goals of non-proliferation of unmanned delivery systems capable of delivering weapons of mass destruction, and which seek to coordinate national export licensing efforts aimed at preventing their proliferation. The MTCR was originally established in 1987 by Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom and the United States. Since that time, the number of MTCR partners has increased to a total of thirty-four countries, all of which have equal standing within the Regime.

The MTCR was initiated partly in response to the increasing proliferation of weapons of mass destruction (WMD), i.e., nuclear, chemical and biological weapons. The risk of proliferation of WMD is well recognized as a threat to international peace and security, including by the UN Security Council in its Summit Meeting Declaration of January 31, 1992. While concern has traditionally focussed on state proliferators, after the tragic events of 11 September 2001, it became evident that more also has to be done to decrease the risk of WMD delivery systems falling into the hands of terrorist groups and individuals. One way to counter this threat is to maintain vigilance over the transfer of missile equipment, material, and related technologies usable for systems capable of delivering WMD.

Salient Features
prevent the proliferation of missile and unmanned aerial vehicle technology capable of carrying a 500 kg payload at least 300 km.
Member countries

However some of the founding members themselves have not practiced what they have are preaching

• For example the US Trident Missile UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In the hands of both US navy and the UK navy.
• Russia and it's sale of KH55 long range cruise missile Bypassing the NMD - the Cruise Missile Proliferation Problem
• China which is aiding and abetting proliferation by supplying weapons to N.Korea, Pakistan and Iran
• And last but not the least, N.Korea supplying Ballistic missiles to Pakistan

 

[Yusuf]

Salient Features
prevent the proliferation of missile and unmanned aerial vehicle technology capable of carrying a 500 kg payload at least 300 km.
Member countries

However some of the founding members themselves have not practiced what they have are preaching

• For example the US Trident Missile UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In the hands of both US navy and the UK navy.
• Russia and it's sale of KH55 long range cruise missile Bypassing the NMD - the Cruise Missile Proliferation Problem
• China which is aiding and abetting proliferation by supplying weapons to N.Korea, Pakistan and Iran
• And last but not the least, N.Korea supplying Ballistic missiles to Pakistan

[*]For example the US Trident Missile UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In the hands of both US navy and the UK navy.

Technicalities. The trident deal was "grandfathered". Same excuse china gives when it builds a nuclear reactor for Pakistan.


[*]Russia and it's sale of KH55 long range cruise missile Bypassing the NMD - the Cruise Missile Proliferation Problem

there are many versions of this missile including a 300 km version. Russia has not broken it's international obligations. If it wanted, it could have co-developed a longer range


[*]China which is aiding and abetting proliferation by supplying weapons to N.Korea, Pakistan and Iran:-

check the countries part of MTCR. If you are not part of it, you are not obliged to follow.


[*]And last but not the least, N.Korea supplying Ballistic missiles to Pakistan
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same as above.

 

[The Messiah]

[*]China which is aiding and abetting proliferation by supplying weapons to N.Korea, Pakistan and Iran

[*]And last but not the least, N.Korea supplying Ballistic missiles to Pakistan

Well they shouldn't be on the list because they aren't part of mtcr.

 

[SPIEZ]

Well they shouldn't be on the list because they aren't part of mtcr.

Yup! My mistake N.Korea isn't a member of MTCR. But what about the founding members themselves, USA, UK, Russia etc. And whats with China being a member there, despite their conman violation of the mtcr guideline ?

 

[Yusuf]

Trident deal was grandfathered Saar.

 

[SPIEZ]

Trident deal was grandfathered Saar.

China was added to the list later. Read the link I had provided.
Also what does grand fathered mean ?
How can you frame a rule that whichyou do not follow ?

 

[Yusuf]

China was added to the list later. Read the link I had provided.
Also what does grand fathered mean ?
How can you frame a rule that whichyou do not follow ?

Grandfather clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pankaj nema]

MTCR is a regime and is NOT a binding treaty like the NPT

Even NPT has been violated by China

Right Now USA is itself violating MTCR because Taiwan and South Korean scientists
are getting a lot of GUIDANCE and cooperation from US scientists

 

[SPIEZ]

Grandfather clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wouldn't that account to an epic fail ?
I understand that it is only a Regime, and doesn't bind, but think only USA/UK would be allowed to proliferate and none other.... Wouldn't that stand for a bad bargain ?

 

[asianobserve]

http://unidir.org/pdf/articles/pdf-art2596.pdf

 

[asianobserve]

Based on the above diagram China is the biggest proliferator of ballistic missile tech.

 

[SPIEZ]

Based on the above diagram China is the biggest proliferator of ballistic missile tech.

I m guessing China was forced onto the regime. What why wasn't this question raised by anyone/media/organisation?

 

[SPIEZ]

There is AAP document, which read that technology used for a cruise missile ciould be reverse engineered very easily, for eg the flight control system/ radar altimeter. The KH55 tarnsfer from Russia/Ukraine to China, falls into that category, I believe.

 

[SPIEZ]

There's more Tomahawk (missile) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The tomahawk cruise missile with a range greater than 2000km is again with two founder nations, despite the fact that it was acquired in 2004. Way ahead of the time after the formation of MTCR.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Israel is not a signatory, this is how they actively work with us in our missile programs. Also
many member countries can do their dirt work thru third countries:
China thru North Korea
Russia thru Ukraine
USA has also given missile technology to many NATO nations and nations under
USA's nuclear umbrella.
Everything looks good on paper but the reality can be a lot different.

 

[The Messiah]

Israel is not a signatory, this is how they actively work with us in our missile programs. Also
many member countries can do their dirt work thru third countries:
China thru North Korea
Russia thru Ukraine
USA has also given missile technology to many NATO nations and nations under
USA's nuclear umbrella.
Everything looks good on paper but the reality can be a lot different.

why are we playing by the rules ?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

why are we playing by the rules ?

who says we are?? Israelis and India working on projects beyond 300km (nirbhay).

 

[SPIEZ]

who says we are?? Israelis and India working on projects beyond 300km (nirbhay).

Is it so, are there any links ?
I hear we are only consulting the Israeli's on the Nirbhay cruise missile

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

Let us hope so SPIEZ. If it is true then it is good for INDIA and it is better to keep this as an open secret.......