The Greatest Kings in Indian History

[warriorextreme]

Does that make Hinduism and its society any less bigotten?

what i am trying to say is none of this has anything to do with certain religion being good or bad...

 

[Mad Indian]

what i am trying to say is none of this has anything to do with certain religion being good or bad...

Oh please. The hindu Kings did infact have killed in the name of religion- for instance A Pandyan king Koon pandyan(Sry for the misinformation before) killed 3000 jains on the advice of Sambandar, in the name of religion. Much like the way Mughals killed in the name of religion Islam. so how does the statement that Hinduism was a tolerant religion hold true? Not just that, Hindus subjugated thier own people against the other religions like Buddhism/Christianity et al?

Anyway, carry on. My point was, the history we learn is crap. Time to re-write the History books objectively

 

[warriorextreme]

Oh please. The hindu Kings did infact have killed in the name of religion- for instance A Pandyan king Koon pandyan(Sry for the misinformation before) killed 3000 jains on the advice of Sambandar, in the name of religion. Much like the way Mughals killed in the name of religion Islam. so how does the statement that Hinduism was a tolerant religion hold true? Not just that, Hindus subjugated thier own people against the other religions like Buddhism/Christianity et al?

Anyway, carry on. My point was, the history we learn is crap. Time to re-write the History books objectively

can we use killing in the name of religion as measuring tool for religions??
I mean unless it is specifically mentioned to kill people of other religions in holy books..

 

[Mad Indian]

can we use killing in the name of religion as measuring tool for religions??
I mean unless it is specifically mentioned to kill people of other religions in holy books..

And so what do you think was the reason the Buddhists and Jains were killed in the name of Hinduism?

 

[warriorextreme]

And so what do you think was the reason the Buddhists and Jains were killed in the name of Hinduism?

same reason why budhists king ashoka killed nirgranthas aka ajivikas,they all were fans of their religions and not followers..

 

[Bhoja]

Oh please. The hindu Kings did infact have killed in the name of religion- for instance A Pandyan king Koon pandyan(Sry for the misinformation before) killed 3000 jains on the advice of Sambandar, in the name of religion. Much like the way Mughals killed in the name of religion Islam. so how does the statement that Hinduism was a tolerant religion hold true? Not just that, Hindus subjugated thier own people against the other religions like Buddhism/Christianity et al?

Anyway, carry on. My point was, the history we learn is crap. Time to re-write the History books objectively

Ancient and early medieval India was great because most of these dynasties were tolerant and quite liberal which
doesn't mean that all Indian kings were great. But the ancient Indian society had a code of conduct during war time which
is described in the ancient Indian text Manusmrti but which is also confirmed by foreign travelers like the Greek
ambassador Megasthenes or the Chinese traveler Xuanzang.

Megasthenes said about India this: "Whereas among other nations it is usual, in the contests of war, to ravage the soil and thus to reduce it to an uncultivated waste, among the Indians, on the contrary, by whom husbandmen are regarded as a class that is sacred and inviolable, the tillers of the soil, even when battle is raging in their neighborhood, are undisturbed by any sense of danger, for the combatants on either side in waging the conflict make carnage of each other, but allow those engaged in husbandry to remain quite unmolested"

The Chinese traveler Xuanzang said this about India: "Although there were enough of rivalries and wars in the 7th century A.D. the country at large was little injured by them."

 

[devgupt]

Ancient and early medieval India was great because most of these dynasties were tolerant and quite liberal which
doesn't mean that all Indian kings were great. But the ancient Indian society had a code of conduct during war time which
is described in the ancient Indian text Manusmrti but which is also confirmed by foreign travelers like the Greek
ambassador Megasthenes or the Chinese traveler Xuanzang.

Megasthenes said about India this: "Whereas among other nations it is usual, in the contests of war, to ravage the soil and thus to reduce it to an uncultivated waste, among the Indians, on the contrary, by whom husbandmen are regarded as a class that is sacred and inviolable, the tillers of the soil, even when battle is raging in their neighborhood, are undisturbed by any sense of danger, for the combatants on either side in waging the conflict make carnage of each other, but allow those engaged in husbandry to remain quite unmolested"

The Chinese traveler Xuanzang said this about India: "Although there were enough of rivalries and wars in the 7th century A.D. the country at large was little injured by them."

Adding to that, AL Basham an Australian whose book 'The wonder that was India' is considered to be a seminal work on ancient Indian history confirms this fact.

 

[civfanatic]

Ancient and early medieval India was great because most of these dynasties were tolerant and quite liberal which
doesn't mean that all Indian kings were great. But the ancient Indian society had a code of conduct during war time which
is described in the ancient Indian text Manusmrti but which is also confirmed by foreign travelers like the Greek
ambassador Megasthenes or the Chinese traveler Xuanzang.

Megasthenes said about India this: "Whereas among other nations it is usual, in the contests of war, to ravage the soil and thus to reduce it to an uncultivated waste, among the Indians, on the contrary, by whom husbandmen are regarded as a class that is sacred and inviolable, the tillers of the soil, even when battle is raging in their neighborhood, are undisturbed by any sense of danger, for the combatants on either side in waging the conflict make carnage of each other, but allow those engaged in husbandry to remain quite unmolested"

The Chinese traveler Xuanzang said this about India: "Although there were enough of rivalries and wars in the 7th century A.D. the country at large was little injured by them."

Yes, this is true, and it is exactly this code of conduct which the Cholas violated or disregarded.

 

[panduranghari]

Ancient and early medieval India was great because most of these dynasties were tolerant and quite liberal which
doesn't mean that all Indian kings were great. But the ancient Indian society had a code of conduct during war time which
is described in the ancient Indian text Manusmrti but which is also confirmed by foreign travelers like the Greek
ambassador Megasthenes or the Chinese traveler Xuanzang.

Megasthenes said about India this: "Whereas among other nations it is usual, in the contests of war, to ravage the soil and thus to reduce it to an uncultivated waste, among the Indians, on the contrary, by whom husbandmen are regarded as a class that is sacred and inviolable, the tillers of the soil, even when battle is raging in their neighborhood, are undisturbed by any sense of danger, for the combatants on either side in waging the conflict make carnage of each other, but allow those engaged in husbandry to remain quite unmolested"

The Chinese traveler Xuanzang said this about India: "Although there were enough of rivalries and wars in the 7th century A.D. the country at large was little injured by them."

I agree.

Kindly read this post.
http://2ndlook.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/indian-classical-texts-are-they-history-mystery-or-mythology/

 

[Tolaha]

I agree.

Kindly read this post.
Indian Classical Texts: Are they History, Mystery or Mythology? « 2ndlook

A brilliant article! Thanks for the link!

 

[skumar7777]

I agree.

Kindly read this post.
Indian Classical Texts: Are they History, Mystery or Mythology? « 2ndlook

Beautiful and inconvenient.

 

[Bhoja]

I agree.

Kindly read this post.
Indian Classical Texts: Are they History, Mystery or Mythology? « 2ndlook

Great link

 

[Virendra]

And so what do you think was the reason the Buddhists and Jains were killed in the name of Hinduism?

Reasons were circumstantial and superficial, not doctrinal as in some of the religions. The blood is not on Hinduism but instead on the King who killed in (supposedly) the name of religion without even checking if its doctrine indeed warranted it.
That your minister adviced you to kill xx number of Jains and you do it, is an example of your madness not the fault of some religion. Hinduism doesn't even indirectly suggest killing on basis of religion.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Virendra]

Does that make Hinduism and its society any less bigotten?

a) Hinduism nowhere told those Kings to do the things they did
b) The Kings did not use Hinduism as the reasoning for what they did.
One could easily find hundreds of literary evidence where Men like Mahmud Ghazni gave open ultimatums of "Islam or Death" to the people. They rightly/wrongly carried the banner of a religion as their sponsor.
Can you name even a single one on our side who said "Hinduism or Death"?
What the Pandyan or Ashoka did were not derivatives of a religious doctrine. Besides, I've already said it before - I don't count Hinduism as a religion.
Ray Sir put it rightly once - every race has its own share of heroes and downtrodden scoundrels.
Blame the actor and his actions, but Hinduism doesn't appear anywhere on the wrong side of the line.

Regards,
Virendra

 

[Blackwater]

The Greatest Kings in Indian History

:cool2::cool2::shocked::shocked:


The only king who is alive and is fighting in Panipat alone

 

[Mad Indian]

a) Hinduism nowhere told those Kings to do the things they did
b) The Kings did not use Hinduism as the reasoning for what they did.
One could easily find hundreds of literary evidence where Men like Mahmud Ghazni gave open ultimatums of "Islam or Death" to the people. They rightly/wrongly carried the banner of a religion as their sponsor.
Can you name even a single one on our side who said "Hinduism or Death"?
What the Pandyan or Ashoka did were not derivatives of a religious doctrine. Besides, I've already said it before - I don't count Hinduism as a religion.
Ray Sir put it rightly once - every race has its own share of heroes and downtrodden scoundrels.
Blame the actor and his actions, but Hinduism doesn't appear anywhere on the wrong side of the line.

Regards,
Virendra

So Hinduism's only fault is Caste System. Fine.

Please continue with the discussion. I have learnt a lot in this thread

 

[balai_c]

^^His holyness!!

 

[Bhoja]

There are several reasons why many people hate the Delhi Sultanate.
The Delhi Sultanate was responsible for the decline of north India in the 13th century. Many people were
killed, several cities were destroyed and several ancient and medieval Universities were destroyed because
of the invasions of the Delhi Sultanate in the 13th century. Indian Universities and schools of Nalanda, Vikramasila,
Ujjain, Dhar and Devagiri collapsed because of the Delhi Sultanate.
Indian science and particularly Indian mathematics declined in north India in the 13th century because
of the Delhi Sultanate which is seen by the fact that the last great Indian mathematicians of
north India like Acharya Hemachandra, Bhaskara and Gopala lived in the 12th century. After the
12th century there weren't any great Indian mathematicians in north India. Indian mathematics only
flourished in south India like Kerala after the 13th century because south India was protected
by the Vijayanagar Empire against the Turkic invasion. During the 13th to 17th century all the
great mathematicians of India like Parameshvara, Neelakanta Somayaji, Jyeshtadeva are from
south India .

 

[KS]

for instance A Pandyan king Koon pandyan(Sry for the misinformation before) killed 3000 jains on the advice of Sambandar,

Sambandar as in Thirugnanasambandar as in one of the four most famous nayanmars ?

 

[Mad Indian]

Sambandar as in Thirugnanasambandar as in one of the four most famous nayanmars ?

Yep. The very same fellow whose songs we learn in Tamil Books