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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ettlement-of-syrian-refugees-in-their-states/

Governors of Michigan, Alabama reject resettlement of Syrian refugees in their states

By Yanan Wang November 16
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The terrorist attacks in Paris have prompted two governors to announce that Syrian refugees will not be allowed to resettle in their states.

Gov. Rick Snyder of Michigan and Gov. Robert Bentley of Alabama, both Republicans, issued individual statements Sunday declaring that their states would not be open to refugees fleeing the conflict in Syria.

Snyder’s statement noted Michigan’s “rich history of immigration” and said, “but our first priority is protecting the safety of our residents.”

“It’s also important to remember that these attacks are the efforts of extremists and do not reflect the peaceful ways of people of Middle Eastern descent here and around the world,” he said.

[Obama: Screening refugees based on religion is ‘shameful’]

Snyder had previously been working with the federal government to determine a process for accepting refugees. “Isn’t that part of being a good Michigander?” he told the Detroit Free Press in late September, pointing out the economic and humanitarian benefits of welcoming Syrians.

Snyder said those efforts would now be suspended until further evidence of more rigid security measures.

His reversal follows a statement from Michigan state Rep. Gary Glenn, also a Republican, who said Saturday that the state “should not rush to offer an open door to the high-risk importation of individuals from a known hotbed of Islamic extremism.”

[Aaron Rodgers praised for criticizing fan’s anti-Muslim comments]

Michigan is home to a sizable Middle Eastern population, and the Detroit metro area has one of the largest in the country. Earlier this month, the city of Hamtramck, Mich., elected America’s first Muslim-majority city council.

According to the Free Press, many Syrians have already settled in Michigan, where 200 have been relocated by one agency in the past year.

In Alabama, no Syrian refugees have been relocated — and none will be allowed to settle there in the future, Bentley said in his statement.

“As your Governor, I will not stand complicit to a policy that places the citizens of Alabama in harm’s way,” he declared. “The acts of terror committed over the weekend are a tragic reminder to the world that evil exists and takes the form of terrorists who seek to destroy the basic freedoms we will always fight to preserve.”
Legally, the states have limited power to control the flow of foreigners into their states; that authority is reserved largely to the federal government under the Constitution. In early September, the Obama administration said it would at least accept 10,000 Syrian refugees during the federal government’s 2016 fiscal year.

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President Obama decried the calls from some to stop accepting Syrian refugees after the attacks in Paris, saying it would be "a betrayal of our values." (AP)
At the same time, leaders in Canada and Australia have so far stood their ground on promises to welcome refugees, though they acknowledge the situation has been complicated by the Paris attacks.

An official from the office of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said Saturday that the administration will move forward with its plans to accept 25,000 Syrian refugees by the end of the year. The announcement defies growing concern over the security risks of meeting such an early deadline.

Australia’s immigration minister, Peter Dutton, also denied a request from a member of Parliament to renege on a plan to accept 12,000 refugees from Syria and Iraq.

“Australia does not need Middle Eastern refugees or Islamic boat people!” MP Andrew Fraser wrote in a public Facebook message to Dutton, the BBCreports. “Close our borders we have enough anarchists already resident in Australia.”

Dutton told Australia’s Seven Network that while additional security checks may be implemented in light of the attacks, “Australia obviously faces a very different situation than in countries in Europe that have land borders.”

Police are investigating a Syrian passport found near the spot where suicide bombers blew themselves up outside France’s national stadium. Greek authorities have traced the passport to a refugee who was among the 198 that arrived at Leros, an Aegean island, by way of a migrant boat on Oct. 3.


http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/this-map-shows-the-24-states-rejecting-obamas-refugees/

This Map Shows The 24 States REJECTING Obama’s Refugees!

By TPIWriter



Governor Rick Snyder (R) of Michigan was the first to stand up to President Barack Obama’s dangerous plan to allow Syrian Muslim refugees into his state.

But in the past 24 hours, 23 other states as of tonight have joined Michigan in rejecting the refugees! Refugees are undocumented and put states at risk for the types of attacks we just saw happen in Paris, France. We now know 2 of those attackers were refugees.

These Governors are doing their Constitutional responsibility by protecting their citizens!

Here’s the full map of states which just rejected ALL refugees. Good!





http://www.vox.com/explainers/2015/11/17/9749484/governors-refugees-syria

Governors can’t keep out refugees. But they can make their lives miserable.
And by doing that, they'd destroy part of what makes US refugee policy so unique.
Updated by Dara Lind on November 17, 2015, 12:02 p.m. ET @DLind [email protected]

TWEET (205) SHARE (699) 27 states that have declared they won't admit Syrian refugees in the wake of the Paris terror attacks can't actually prevent refugees from entering their territory. But they can make it much harder for them to learn English or get jobs.
States have a much bigger role in helping refugees settle in the US than they have with other kinds of immigrants. Usually, that's what makes US refugee policy special. But if governors really wanted to make life harder for refugees, they could seriously damage the US's ability to turn refugees into Americans.

RelatedHow the US screens Syrian refugees
Governors have nothing to do with whether Syrian refugees are allowed into the US or where they choose to move
The federal government has sole authority to decide who gets allowed into the United States. Period. That's true for refugees and for every other type of immigrant. And once people have been formally "admitted" to the US, they're not obligated to stay in one place. Other types of immigrants might have to stay in one place to satisfy the terms of their visas (temporary workers have to stay with a single employer, for example), but refugees don't have anything like that. They can move wherever they like, and many do.

When governors say they're telling their state governments not to "admit" Syrian refugees, they're using the term for officially letting the refugees into the country — which is something they don't have the authority to do. That's why a lot of the immediate analysis in the press has been a black-and-white declaration that the states can't actually do anything to restrict Syrian refugees.

For most types of immigrants, that would, in fact, be that — the government admits them into the country, and then they're on their own. But refugees (and asylum recipients) are different. And state governments really are involved in helping refugees settle in the US — which gives significant opportunities to try to restrict or reject Syrian refugees.

The federal government consults with states when deciding where to resettle a refugee
Most of the time, the government doesn't allow people to settle permanently in the US unless it's assured they can support themselves here. To get permanent residency, immigrants (almost always) have to show that they can support themselves, and they either have to have family in the US, a lot of money, or a long job record here.

Refugees are different. When the US allows a refugee into the country, it accepts that the refugee might want or need to settle down permanently. And refugees aren't admitted based on how well they can support themselves or assimilate within the US — they're admitted because they're fleeing persecution and danger, and the US is taking them in as a humanitarian gesture.

Because of that, the government doesn't just let refugees into the country and set them out on their own. Refugees aren't just admitted but resettled: The federal government works with nonprofit organizations, states, and local governments to secure whatever refugees need to support themselves — things like housing, job training, and English classes.

The government actively chooses where to resettle a refugee based on whether he or she has family in the US, and where he or she will get the most support. At the end of the day, the State Department — and the nonprofit contractor that is assigned to resettle the refugee — makes that decision. But each state has a refugee coordinator responsible for working with the federal Office of Refugee Resettlement and with the state agencies that help integrate refugees, and the State Department consults with him or her to make sure that the state has enough capacity before deciding to resettle a refugee there.

In practice, this is what the governors are directing their states to do. The next time the State Department calls up and says, "Hey, can you take a dozen Syrian refugees?" the state refugee coordinator has been directed to say, "Nope, sorry."

The State Department is free to ignore that and resettle refugees in the state anyway. And while the Obama administration hasn't explicitly declared that's what it's going to do, it certainly seems likely (since the president has had zero patience for attempts to restrict Syrian refugees). Arguably, if a state tried to pick and choose which countries it was willing to accept refugees from, it would run afoul of federal anti-discrimination law: It's illegal to discriminate based on nationality, and a refugee from Syria has the same immigration status as a refugee from China.

But when states claim they have no more room for refugees at all, refugee experts say it's not unheard of for the State Department to accede to the state's request — and agree to (for example) only resettle refugees whose families already live in the state. So what the governors are trying isn't a total shot in the dark.

Governors can block state agencies from getting money to help integrate refugees
After a refugee has been placed in the US, the real work begins: integrating refugees into their communities, and helping them support themselves, is a process that takes months or years. Once a refugee is self-sufficient, she usually ends up an economic asset to the community — but that requires that initial investment.

A lot of that work is done by the nonprofit organization that's federally contracted to resettle the refugee (usually a local affiliate of a larger organization like HIAS). But much of it is done by government — mostly local government, like school district officials, but also state social services agents and such.

Both of these arms are funded through the federal government, but each is funded separately. The federal government contracts directly with the nonprofits. But it also sends "pass-through" money to the states based on the refugees they've accepted — and it's then the state government's responsibility to award grants to various state agencies based on what they promise to do with refugees.

A governor can't stop the nonprofit organizations from getting their funds. But if she wants to send a message to the federal government that the state won't help refugees, she can stop the "pass-through" money from, well, passing through. In fact, in 2010,Georgia Gov. Nathan Deal attempted to do just this: He simply refused to issue contracts for English classes, after-school programs, and job training for refugees in the state, even though those contracts were already paid for with federal money.

Deal eventually released the contracts at the end of 2011 — but it took a sustained lobbying campaign from the refugee nonprofits working in the state, which means they had to take resources away from helping refugees. Had Deal held out for longer — preventing state agencies from getting the money to integrate refugees and forcing the nonprofit groups to spend some of their energy on lobbying him to change his mind — it's theoretically possible that the nonprofits could have reached their limit and asked the federal government to stop sending refugees to Georgia.

Working with states and cities to integrate refugees is what makes America's refugee program special
The irony of what Deal did — or what any governor blocking state refugee funds would do — is that it doesn't stop refugees from coming, but it does make it harder for them to integrate. Refusing to help refugees get job training means it will take longer for them to find jobs and get off government assistance; refusing to help them learn English, or to help their children adjust to US schools, means they're less likely to feel invested in their communities. It means they're less likely to feel truly American.

In other words, these governors are turning their backs on what makes American refugee policy special.

The government doesn't take many refugees — at least compared with the number of refugees forced to live in temporary camps around the world. But when it does, it makes sure they get as much support as possible to become Americans who work and thrive in the US.

When immigrants don't get that support — when they have no reason to feel that they're members of their new community, and can only rely on their fellow immigrants for support — we know what happens. That's exactly what France and other European countries are dealing with right now with their Muslim immigrant communities: second- or third-generation immigrants who have absolutely no reason to feel French. There are a lot of reasons Europe has struggled to integrate its immigrants, but it's certainly true that the government didn't take an active role in integrating them when they first arrived.

This isn't a perfect parallel: The European immigrants in question largely weren't refugees when they arrived. But the governors trying to restrict Syrian refugees, out of fear that they'll be a "fifth column" loyal to ISIS rather than the US, are looking to Europe for their evidence that this could happen (since they certainly can't find it in the US). Using the Paris attacks as a reason to starve Syrian refugees in the US of funds is one of the thingsmost likely to make refugees disaffected and isolated that a state could possibly do.






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Obama will likely leave office by allowing these refugees asylum. After all he doesn't have anything to loose anymore.

 
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Obama does not represent the majority of Americans. A disgraceful leader.


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A disgraceful nation(post WW2) deserves a disgraceful 'leader' like Owbaama.
Most leaders after ww2 cared about the middle class and made favorable policies.
In 2 terms Obama has wiped out the middle class in USA pushing the nation towards socialist policies of public assistance and healthcare.


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Why disgraceful? Because US managed to destroy the epitome of communism- ie USSR?
Because USA is like a bad omen. It destroys whatver it touches. It has destroyed so many countries and created so much havoc worldwide, that only can be compared perhaps with the colonial Europe. But then it indeed is a successor to that colonial Europe.

It destroyed too many democracies to represent democracy, but it boasts to be the forebearer of democracy in the world. It had caused too many deaths to be a peacekeeper, but still claims to be the pioneer of peacekeeping worldwide. I caused too much distress and despair to be considered humanitarian, but still thumps on its chest to be the protector of humanity.

It could not even become a true capitalist nation where hardwork and merit gets prized, but has turned into an oligarchy.

It is an epitome of failure in grand scale. Its only saving grace is its past when USA managed to put its own currency, the $, as the global currency. And today to keep $ to be all powerful tool, it is keeping the world's largest abnormally sized armed forces and to justify that spending, is causing even more conflict worldwide.

Today, it is possibly the single most hated nation in the world.

So, yes, if not disgraceful, but at least a thoroughly corrupt and malignant nation.
 

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Because USA is like a bad omen. It destroys whatver it touches. It has destroyed so many countries and created so much havoc worldwide, that only can be compared perhaps with the colonial Europe. But then it indeed is a successor to that colonial Europe.

It destroyed too many democracies to represent democracy, but it boasts to be the forebearer of democracy in the world. It had caused too many deaths to be a peacekeeper, but still claims to be the pioneer of peacekeeping worldwide. I caused too much distress and despair to be considered humanitarian, but still thumps on its chest to be the protector of humanity.

It could not even become a true capitalist nation where hardwork and merit gets prized, but has turned into an oligarchy.

It is an epitome of failure in grand scale. Its only saving grace is its past when USA managed to put its own currency, the $, as the global currency. And today to keep $ to be all powerful tool, it is keeping the world's largest abnormally sized armed forces and to justify that spending, is causing even more conflict worldwide.

Today, it is possibly the single most hated nation in the world.

So, yes, if not disgraceful, but at least a thoroughly corrupt and malignant nation.
Yes.

Unlike USSR who sent no one to gulags and didn't interfere in internal affairs of any country.

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Yes.

Unlike USSR who sent no one to gulags and didn't interfere in internal affairs of any country.

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OK, is there any connection between jnu morons and USSR? I mean did USSR finance jnu thugs? Or was jnu just a product of Indian self esteem by itself, from the likes of @nik141991
 

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OK, is there any connection between jnu morons and USSR? I mean did USSR finance jnu thugs? Or was jnu just a product of Indian self esteem by itself, from the likes of @nik141991
You didn't get admission in JNU right because of p$$ poor score in entrance exam well that expected from a guy with IQ of below 50
 

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Yes.

Unlike USSR who sent no one to gulags and didn't interfere in internal affairs of any country.

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What a chilidish reply.

Never said USSR was a saint or for the matter Russia is. Why would I? In its own days USSR was far far worse than USA.

But, USSR received its due justice for all the misdeeds. When would USA?

Why would you think that if someone criticizes USA, he has to be communist or USSR fan? Wake up and smell the coffee. Even a large no. of people in USA itself has come to despise its interventionist gung-ho diplomacy.
 

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Superpowers are not made to collapse externally. They collapse due to their own internal corruption. Every Empire has a rise and demise, e.g. Egypt, Hellas, Maurya, Rome, Byzantium, Britain, USSR. This is the law of nature.

I don't think the US will collapse any time soon, because its constitution is very robust and allows checks and balances, but the US is certainly getting weaker and weaker, and faces a real risk of its constitution being subverted by vested interests, banking cartels, and the defense contractors.

Coming back to the refugee crisis, does anyone think the refugees could cause the EU to collapse?
 

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Japan,SKorea,Taiwan in Asia and all EU countries are a few examples of developed,thanks to USA.
You need to learn history a little bit. Also, learn about geography and society, too. Japan was already a developed nation before WWII. If it played its hand well, it would have occupied a large part of USA today. S. Korea still is to taste true democracy. Taiwan is a tiny island.

And don't claim ALL EU countries are developed because of US!!! That is sheer lunacy. It was a mutual thing for USA and European allies. Both provided support to each other for economical development.

USA has a simple policy 'either with me or bomb to stone ages',simple. :D
This simple policy it has is vis-a-vis the weaker nations. It even didn't dare to attack Iraq during 1st Gulf war alone, but took the whole entourage of NATO with them. Even then, it would not have done so if USSR was there. It got a window of unchecked rampage for about 2 decades, and look where the world is.

2.Most NRI's loved,Successful &respected in USA more than any country because our values some how match with Americans.
:lol: The NRIs that are there are mostly high skilled workforce, so they obviously are respected. But, they are not what India is. They are the cream of our society who have gone out for greener pasture. Have you read the twits and facebook posts by those husband-wife duo from USA embassy? That is what white US citizens think of India.

USA is the biggest Gunda
Yeah, that is what I said. SO what are you countering?

India is slave.
You think so? India never was and I doubt it will ever be. But then for your kind of people with reverence for white asses, India can never be free. Yes, India doesn't have too much muscle to dominate half the world, but it has enough muscle to say fuck off to USA too many times to count.

USA with just one phone call controls world,
So we see. It is controlling Middle-east, is it? Controlling South-Asia, is it? Latin America, is it? Africa? It has influence over very few nations to such degree that it controls them with a phone call. Most others, it is wheeling dealings. Some times they win, sometimes they don't - just like every other nation in international diplomacy, only with a greater success rate and that too is reducing. It has its own sphere of influence, as do Russia, and as do China and India to a degree.

It is only controlling Western Media, which shows it in a much bigger profile than it actually is.

India from last 66 yrs failed to control Terrorist Failed taliban country.
Sure. Because that Taliban nation is arch enemy of India, and unless it is a radioactive crater, India can never have influence, much less control that. That is basic understanding. Same as USA can not control Russia, ever.

India on the other hand has a huge influence in the South Asian nations and it only diminished because of an eunuch called MMS was in office for decade, who btw, were as anglophile as it comes! MMS only left out kissing collective western asses and sucking them off, only I guess because SPG did not allow it! We lost huge diplomatic influence during that period. Sri Lanka went to Chinese pockets, Maldives went rogue, Nepal went rogue - and that thanx to a regime which were deeply in love with USA.

Choice is y/ours you want to make India another Japan, SKorea or Syria. :p
Just check the difference between Japan, SK and India in relation to size of the population to demography to society. No rational person would compare India to them. The scale is too wide for that. And, Syria? That is a whole different ballgame.

Or have you forgotten Pakistan, the lap dog of USA? How much benefit has it reaped? It is a failed state today and a large part of it because of USA and its policy of using it as a strategic tool rather than a partner.

India is its own country and it will stay that way, unless anglophilia for USA rises to such a degree, that people forget what being Indian means - something like Japan. I for one, will never let India become a whore for USA, like you guys want it to be - and for what? Do you have any idea if India starts following WTO rules to the tee, most of the people in India wouldn't be able to afford medicines!? What happened during last recession, you remember? India was saved from the worst of the fall outs, only because it was out of the influence of USA.
 

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You need to learn history a little bit. Also, learn about geography and society, too. Japan was already a developed nation before WWII. If it played its hand well, it would have occupied a large part of USA today. S. Korea still is to taste true democracy. Taiwan is a tiny island.

And don't claim ALL EU countries are developed because of US!!! That is sheer lunacy. It was a mutual thing for USA and European allies. Both provided support to each other for economical development.



This simple policy it has is vis-a-vis the weaker nations. It even didn't dare to attack Iraq during 1st Gulf war alone, but took the whole entourage of NATO with them. Even then, it would not have done so if USSR was there. It got a window of unchecked rampage for about 2 decades, and look where the world is.



[emoji38] The NRIs that are there are mostly high skilled workforce, so they obviously are respected. But, they are not what India is. They are the cream of our society who have gone out for greener pasture. Have you read the twits and facebook posts by those husband-wife duo from USA embassy? That is what white US citizens think of India.



Yeah, that is what I said. SO what are you countering?



You think so? India never was and I doubt it will ever be. But then for your kind of people with reverence for white asses, India can never be free. Yes, India doesn't have too much muscle to dominate half the world, but it has enough muscle to say fuck off to USA too many times to count.



So we see. It is controlling Middle-east, is it? Controlling South-Asia, is it? Latin America, is it? Africa? It has influence over very few nations to such degree that it controls them with a phone call. Most others, it is wheeling dealings. Some times they win, sometimes they don't - just like every other nation in international diplomacy, only with a greater success rate and that too is reducing. It has its own sphere of influence, as do Russia, and as do China and India to a degree.

It is only controlling Western Media, which shows it in a much bigger profile than it actually is.



Sure. Because that Taliban nation is arch enemy of India, and unless it is a radioactive crater, India can never have influence, much less control that. That is basic understanding. Same as USA can not control Russia, ever.

India on the other hand has a huge influence in the South Asian nations and it only diminished because of an eunuch called MMS was in office for decade, who btw, were as anglophile as it comes! MMS only left out kissing collective western asses and sucking them off, only I guess because SPG did not allow it! We lost huge diplomatic influence during that period. Sri Lanka went to Chinese pockets, Maldives went rogue, Nepal went rogue - and that thanx to a regime which were deeply in love with USA.



Just check the difference between Japan, SK and India in relation to size of the population to demography to society. No rational person would compare India to them. The scale is too wide for that. And, Syria? That is a whole different ballgame.

Or have you forgotten Pakistan, the lap dog of USA? How much benefit has it reaped? It is a failed state today and a large part of it because of USA and its policy of using it as a strategic tool rather than a partner.

India is its own country and it will stay that way, unless anglophilia for USA rises to such a degree, that people forget what being Indian means - something like Japan. I for one, will never let India become a whore for USA, like you guys want it to be - and for what? Do you have any idea if India starts following WTO rules to the tee, most of the people in India wouldn't be able to afford medicines!? What happened during last recession, you remember? India was saved from the worst of the fall outs, only because it was out of the influence of USA.
Read @pmaitra's post above to understand what US is and how it reached that position.

It is true that post WW-2 US helped all the countries in its club to grow. All the countries on other USSR block failed to grow and hence were defeated. Japan and Europe gained a lot of monetary and other benefits from US. Of course, us had a lot to gain from it but you cannot whitewash US contribution to their development.

Being a global policeman comes as a cost. Sadly right now US made more mistakes in last decade. But it does not preach peace like India, who punches well below it's weight in world affairs.

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Read @pmaitra's post above to understand what US is and how it reached that position.

It is true that post WW-2 US helped all the countries in its club to grow. All the countries on other USSR block failed to grow and hence were defeated. Japan and Europe gained a lot of monetary and other benefits from US. Of course, us had a lot to gain from it but you cannot whitewash US contribution to their development.

Being a global policeman comes as a cost. Sadly right now US made more mistakes in last decade. But it does not preach peace like India, who punches well below it's weight in world affairs.

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You know even Chinese commies are smart in this regard- they used USA all they can for getting all they want before finally giving a middle finger when they no longer need the USA's help, too bad many Indians lack the courage or wisdom of the Chinese :tsk:

There is nothing wrong in playing USA for our benefits. The only thing that matters in this world is us and us only. Which ME shithole USA bombs is none of our business so long as it does not affect us in any way
 

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SKorea&Nkorea are same in 1945 one with USA and second with Rus&China.Do you want any other proof.[emoji38]

Nepal is fully dependent on India still it shows middle finger to India,that is India.Know your weakness(Indians r unable to rule themselves or even tiny country) and RESPECT STRENGTH(USA).If US wants it will BOMB India any day, can any Indian dream anything like that?

Be practical.US is fighting Rus+Muslims now later it will bomb China.Mus&Chi are our enemies one old saying 'enemy's enemy is my friend'.

PS India will stand on her feat after 15 yrs/2030 until wait&watch.
The IQ of Indians needed for survival is less than even Pakis. Let me not get into it to explain, but peace gesture at all costs explains it pretty well.

Coming back to US, even pak knows how to screw uncle Sam. They took their money, bombed NY and hid Osama. Now Pak is screwed because they act too smart. But fact of the matter is they know very well how to use US. If Indians learn even 50% of that, they can become super power in a decade.

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Take in more refugees France. You deserve these terrorists to bomb and rape your natives.
 
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Coming back to the refugee crisis, does anyone think the refugees could cause the EU to collapse?
Maybe collapse is not the appropriate word because it always implies an economic outcome. But it will definitely change EU ,
Maybe not now but in ten years. Culturally ,demographic ,governance and many other ways. Even now. There are many
Large ghettos and no go zones in EU cities that did not exist twenty years ago


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Maybe collapse is not the appropriate word because it always implies an economic outcome. But it will definitely change EU ,
Maybe not now but in ten years. Culturally ,demographic ,governance and many other ways. Even now. There are many
Large ghettos and no go zones in EU cities that did not exist twenty years ago


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Tell that to Europeans and they will hound you about no-go zones!! Remember how they went after the fox-news guy.
 

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Maybe collapse is not the appropriate word because it always implies an economic outcome. But it will definitely change EU ,
Maybe not now but in ten years. Culturally ,demographic ,governance and many other ways. Even now. There are many
Large ghettos and no go zones in EU cities that did not exist twenty years ago


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Few points from recent and distant history:
  • Prior to the collapse of the Roman Empire, the Mongols put so much pressure on what would be Germany today, that the Germans poured into the Roman Empire. Today, refugees are pouring into EU.
  • EuroZone has gone through several recessions.
  • EU cracks came out into the open after the Russian food sanctions.
  • There was the Greek crisis.
  • More EU cracks came out in the open after the refugee crisis.

It is to be seen how things unfold.
 
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