The Enemy...

[Al_Asad_Al_Mulk]

You should stick to PDF rather than opening new threads over here conveniently abusing Hindus or feigning fake Paki superiority all under guise of short stories which are of the level of Zaid Hamid et al.

As far as ruining reputation goes, better be worried about your land instead of superficial concerns, that too of an online forum.

That makes me laugh. you are suffering from inferiority complex.

 

[Al_Asad_Al_Mulk]

No Paki, my lineage is clear but you should get yours traced. Seriously.
May be you were a Hindu once and thats' why your unnatural attraction to a kaffir forum like DFI.

So what about large Hindu population their on PDF are they illegitimate sons of Muslims ?

 

[thethinker]

HAHAHAHAHA!!

My name is Pakistan and I’m not an Arab

http://www.dawn.com/news/1032519

For example, attempts were made to dislodge ‘Hindu and Western cultural influences’ in the Pakistani society by adopting Arabic cultural hegemony that came as a pre-requisite and condition with the Arabian Petro Dollar.

The point is, instead of assimilating the finer points of the diverse religious and ethnic cultures that our history is made of and synthesise them to form a more convincing and grounded nationalism and cultural identity, we have decided to reject our diverse and pluralistic past and instead adopt cultural dimensions of a people who, ironically, still consider non-Arabs like Pakistanis as second-class Muslims.

 

[Al_Asad_Al_Mulk]

HAHAHAHAHA!!

My name is Pakistan and I’m not an Arab

http://www.dawn.com/news/1032519

For example, attempts were made to dislodge ‘Hindu and Western cultural influences’ in the Pakistani society by adopting Arabic cultural hegemony that came as a pre-requisite and condition with the Arabian Petro Dollar.

The point is, instead of assimilating the finer points of the diverse religious and ethnic cultures that our history is made of and synthesise them to form a more convincing and grounded nationalism and cultural identity, we have decided to reject our diverse and pluralistic past and instead adopt cultural dimensions of a people who, ironically, still consider non-Arabs like Pakistanis as second-class Muslims.

Come on why always off topic posts,


Discuss the article.

 

[AbRaj]

So what about large Hindu population their on PDF are they illegitimate sons of Muslims ?

Calm down, no need to indulge in fight

 

[thethinker]

That makes me laugh. you are suffering from inferiority complex.

Hilarious.

Next time, try getting some real education instead of trolling here based on your madarsa knowledge Paki.

And write better "stories" next time, I am sure even you can raise your IQ by a few points should you choose to avoid thinking about nukes and beheading all the time!

 

[Al_Asad_Al_Mulk]

Hilarious.

Next time, try getting some real education instead of trolling here based on your madarsa knowledge Paki.

And write better "stories" next time, I am sure even you can raise your IQ by a few points should you choose to avoid thinking about nukes and beheading all the time!

Again off topic trolling lets discuss the partition and Hindus role in creating riots.

 

[AbRaj]

He is not Jahil or Harami, yes he write it.

@Bornubus
@thethinker calm down bro...... No need for foul language

@Al_Asad_Al_Mulk


I read some portions of your lengthy unorganized imaginary trash and in my opinion you need a break brother .........
After that start afreash.

 

[thethinker]

Again off topic trolling lets discuss the partition and Hindus role in creating riots.

This gets repetitive when dealing with Pakis, but again :

‘Pakistan schools teach Hindu hatred’

http://www.dawn.com/news/672000/pakistan-schools-teach-hindu-hatred

ISLAMABAD: Text books in Pakistani schools foster prejudice and intolerance of Hindus and other religious minorities, while most teachers view non-Muslims as ''enemies of Islam,'' according to a study by a US government commission released on Wednesday.

The findings indicate how deeply ingrained hard-line Islam is in Pakistan and help explain why militancy is often supported, tolerated or excused in the country.

''Teaching discrimination increases the likelihood that violent religious extremism in Pakistan will continue to grow, weakening religious freedom, national and regional stability, and global security,'' said Leonard Leo, the chairman of the US Commission on International Religious Freedom.

Pakistan was created in 1947 as a homeland for the Muslims of South Asia and was initially envisaged as a moderate state where minorities would have full rights.

But three wars with mostly Hindu India; support for militants fighting Soviet-rule in Afghanistan in the 1980s; and the appeasement of hard-line clerics by weak governments seeking legitimacy have led to a steady radicalisation of society.

Religious minorities and those brave enough to speak out against intolerance have often been killed, seemingly with impunity, by militant sympathizers.

The commission warned that any significant efforts to combat religious discrimination, especially in education, would ''likely face strong opposition'' from hardliners.

The study reviewed more than 100 textbooks from grades 1-10 from Pakistan's four provinces.

Researchers in February this year visited 37 public schools, interviewing 277 students and teachers, and 19 madrases, where they interviewed 226 students and teachers.

The Islamisation of textbooks began under the US-backed rule of army dictator Gen. Zia-ul-Haq, who courted Islamists to support his rule.

In 2006, the government announced plans to reform the curriculum to address the problematic content, but that has not been done, the study said.

Pakistan's Islamist and right-wing polity would likely oppose any efforts to change the curriculum, and the government has shown no desire to challenge them on the issue.

The report found systematic negative portrayals of minorities, especially Hindus and to a lesser extent to Christians.

Hindus make up more than one per cent of Pakistan's 180 million people, while Christians represent around two per cent. Some estimates put the numbers higher.

There are also even smaller populations of Sikhs and Buddhists.

''Religious minorities are often portrayed as inferior or second-class citizens who have been granted limited rights and privileges by generous Pakistani Muslims, for which they should be grateful,'' the report said.

''Hindus are repeatedly described as extremists and eternal enemies of Islam whose culture and society is based on injustice and cruelty, while Islam delivers a message of peace and brotherhood, concepts portrayed as alien to the Hindu.''

The books don't contain many specific references to Christians, but those that ''that do exist seem generally negative, painting an incomplete picture of the largest religious minority in Pakistan,'' the report said.

Attempts to reach Pakistan's education minister were not successful.

The textbooks make very little reference to the role played by Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in the cultural, military and civic life of Pakistan, meaning ''a young minority student will thus not find many examples of educated religious minorities in their own textbooks,'' the report said.

''In most cases historic revisionism seems designed to exonerate or glorify Islamic civilisation, or to denigrate the civilisations of religious minorities,'' the report said.

''Basic changes to the texts would be needed to present a history free of false or unsubstantiated claims which convey religious bias.''

The researchers also found that the books foster a sense that Pakistan's Islamic identity is under constant threat.

''The anti-Islamic forces are always trying to finish the Islamic domination of the world,'' read one passage from social studies text being taught to Grade 4 students in Punjab province, the country's most populated.

''This can cause danger for the very existence of Islam. Today, the defense of Pakistan and Islam is very much in need.''

The report states that Islamic teachings and references were commonplace in compulsory text books, not just religious ones, meaning Pakistan's Christians, Hindus and other minorities were being taught Islamic content.

It said this appeared to violate Pakistan's constitution, which states that students should not have to receive instruction in a religion other than their own.

The attitudes of the teachers no doubt reflect the general intolerance in Pakistan.

The 2011 Pew Research Center study found the country is the third most intolerant in the world, but because of the influence they have, they are especially worrisome.

Their views were frequently nuanced and sometimes contradictory.

 

[thethinker]

What is the most blatant lie taught through Pakistan textbooks?
http://www.dawn.com/news/1125484

'History in Pakistan has been badly treated'
http://www.dawn.com/news/1204953

In-depth: What students are being taught about the separation of East Pakistan
http://www.dawn.com/news/591514/in-...-taught-about-the-separation-of-east-pakistan

 

[AbRaj]

I am very habby to rebort that when they return, they will be in brison.

Sir kindly keep the discussion civil....
Its very much desirable not to make forum trash pile like
It's a well known phenomena that posters resort to abusive language out of anger and stupid posts
But I think it's better to let everyone (including Pakistani members too) to express their views in civilized way

 

[Bornubus]

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...onspiracy-theories-hoaxes.75160/#post-1125899

 

[Bornubus]

Again off topic trolling lets discuss the partition and Hindus role in creating riots.

Very proud of partition and sincere thanks to Jinnah and congress otherwise filth from Peshawar and Dhaka would've ride our Metro trains and Salwar kameez wearing Jihadi looking Pakis roamed in our Malls.

 

[Bornubus]

The New York Times News Blog


A Grand Conspiracy Theory From Pakistan
By ROBERT MACKEY MAY 12, 2009 5:38 PMMay 12, 2009 5:38 pm


The Web site Pakistan Daily is an Islamabad-based hub for Pakistani citizen journalism, promising Pakistani readers: “Your News. Powered by You.” It is also an excellent place to turn if you want to read in on the latest conspiracy theories making the rounds in that country. Or just get very scared.

Somewhat disturbingly, the source for the “top story” on Pakistan Daily today is Pakistan’s president, Asif Ali Zardari. As an anonymous article on the site reports accurately, in an interview with NBC News which aired on Sunday, Mr. Zardari claimed that he “knew” that Osama bin Laden was an American “operator” during the 1980s.

Mr. Zardari told David Gregory, in the part of the interview embedded below, that this knowledge dates from 1989, when, he said, his late wife, Benazir Bhutto, who was then Pakistan’s prime minister, had called the first President Bush to complain about Mr. bin Laden’s efforts to destabilize Pakistan, presumably on behalf of the government of the United States.



Since Mr. Gregory made no effort to follow up on this statement by Mr. Zardari, we have no idea what information his belief about Mr. bin Laden is based on, but his statement does closely echo one he made in an interview with Fox News last September. In that earlier interview, Mr. Zardari displayed a shaky grasp of where exactly the line between fact and fiction lies, since he also recounted a story about Oliver North having supposedly warned Congress about the dangers posed by Mr. bin Laden in 1987 — a story that, as my colleague Brian Stelter pointed out, is based on a hoax e-mail message that circulated widely after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

While most of the conspiracy theories posted on Pakistan Daily seem easy to debunk — like allegations that “Osama bin Laden may be Jewish” or that Islamist militants in Pakistan’s Swat Valley areIndian intelligence agents — it is not hard to understand why some Pakistanis are so willing to believe that unseen forces are behind their current troubles. After all, during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, the United States did in fact work closely, and secretly, with Pakistan’s spy service, the Directorate for Inter-Services Intelligence, or ISI, to destabilize that country’s government by supporting Islamic extremists like Mr. bin Laden.

Elements of Pakistan’s government have also obviously played on the fears of the population to win their cooperation at certain times. In fact, they have done it as recently as last week. As my colleagueDexter Filkins pointed out, the prominent Pakistani newspaperDawn reported last Friday reported that Pakistani soldiers were using the threat of shadowy foreign forces to encourage citizens to support their current battle with the Taliban. According to Dawn:

The security forces also distributed pamphlets in various areas accusing the Taliban of playing in the hands of anti-Pakistan elements. ‘They are the same as Jewish forces who are against the existence and security of the country and wanted to create disturbance in the region,’ read a leaflet.

But one of the most interesting conspiracy theories posted recently on Pakistan Daily is the grand, unified theory in a signed essay by a Pakistani blogger and journalist named Ahmed Quraishi, headlined “Barack Obama Is Lying About Pakistan.” In his essay Mr. Quraishi, who has worked as a television journalist for PTV, Pakistan’s state broadcaster, outlines a supposed plot against Pakistan by the American government and media.

According to Mr. Quraishi, the entire battle against militants in Pakistan is nothing less than a huge “American psy-ops” campaign to distract from the failures of the United States in Afghanistan. Mr. Quraishi writes:

In less than two years, the United States has successfully managed to drop from news headlines its failure to pacify Afghanistan. The focus of the Anglo-American media – American and British – has been locked on Pakistan. In order to justify this shift, multiple insurgencies and endless supply of money and weapons has trickled from U.S.-occupied Afghanistan into Pakistan to sustain a number of warlords inside Pakistan whom the American media calls ‘Taliban’ but they are actually nothing but hired mercenaries with sophisticated weapons who mostly did not even exist as recently as the year 2005.

Mr. Quraishi’s reading of events hinges on the idea that a statement by President Obama, during the news conference on his 100th day in office, that he was concerned that Pakistan’s “civilian government right now is very fragile,” was a veiled call for a military coup and “essentially amounts to a declaration of war against another country.” Mr. Quraishi also claims that “academic programs are being launched in the U.S. that advocate the breakup of Pakistan and the creation of smaller entities.”

How you might ask, has Mr. Obama been able to get away with this huge psy-ops campaign against Pakistan? That’s where we come in. In Mr. Quraishi’s view, alarming reports on the progress of Taliban militants in Pakistan are all part of the plot, in which, he says, “the U.S. media and officials are single-handedly tarnishing Pakistan’s image worldwide to justify a military intervention.” According to Mr. Quraishi:

The most spectacular, anti-Pakistan media campaign ever against our country has been launched by the U.S. media and continues unabated, with the purpose of softening the international opinion for a possible military action against Pakistan. And there is no question that this campaign has some backing from official U.S. quarters as was the case in the propaganda that preceded the invasion of Iraq.

Your Lede blogger can only say that if there is a plot like this someone forgot to send us the memo. That said, we have seen signs that some readers of this blog seem to agree with Mr. Quraishi that the fix is in. Here, for instance, is a recent comment from a reader named Chithra KarunaKaran, explaining the purpose of my work, and that of my colleagues Dexter Filkins and Alan Cowell:

It is disturbing but predictable that Mackey, Filkins and Cowell would file articles and blog posts that hide the US hand in the vast internal displacement of Pakistanis within their own homeland. Despite their claims of objectivity, their job is in accordance with the diktat of the Obama administration and Congress.

Clear evidence that the Pakistani public is not buying the Western media’s explanation of recent events is also offered by the results ofa recent poll conducted in Pakistan of 3,500 adult men and women by the International Republican Institute, a nonprofit group based in Washington that is affiliated with the Republican Party and promotes democracy abroad. Despite strong indications that the attacks in Mumbai last November were the work of a militant group based in Pakistan, Pakistanis surveyed overwhelmingly said that they did not believe the media reports:

International Republican Institute Results from a survey of Pakistan public opinion conducted in March, 2009.
Asked, by the same pollsters, to say who they believed was behind the attacks in Mumbai, the largest number of Pakistanis pointed the finger at the Research and Analysis Wing, India’s intelligence service. Just one per cent of the sample said that terrorists were responsible, while 20 times that many Pakistanis blamed America:

International Republican Institute Results from a survey of Pakistan public opinion conducted in March, 2009.
Update: A reader notes that Mr. Quraishi’s biography on his Web site says that since 2003 he has worked for FurmaanRealpolitik, Inc., which is a political consulting firm that designs media campaigns. Mr. Quraishi says on his site that he “tailored and executed government-assigned public outreach projects,” for that firm. The firm’s Web site brags of “practical experience of using the internet as a campaign-management and issue-advocacy tool.”

In 2007 the blog MicroPakistan cast some doubt on another elaborate theory of Mr. Quraishi’s. Reader comments on that blog post echoed some posted here by readers who suggest that there may be some connection between Mr. Quraishi’s “government-assigned public outreach projects” and his writing online.

 

[Bornubus]

Abdul Al-Okullah May 14, 2009 · 2:47 pm
Yes, Harry, Zaid Hamid is indeed scary. He lays out lies with such conviction that they begin to penetrate even the most cynical of minds. Pakistani elite love that show. I suspect that you have seen him on Al Jazeera where he appears occasionally and comments in English. However, to get his true flavor you have to hear him in Urdu — YouTube is full of his videos.

The amazing thing here is not that someone like Hamid exists, but that the elite of Pakistan (the educated minority) lap it up! The grandiose illusions and webs of conspiracy are interconnected. n fact one leads to the other … you see, “we are such a great race of people, citadel of Islam, owners of nuclear bombs, painters of missiles, etc, how can we be wrong about anything? So, if someone is proving us to be wrong, it must be a western plot to defame us”

Makes perfect sense, doesn’t it?

Now, you may ask why the educated are fooled so easily. The answer is simple. The so-called “education” is also full of lies. Pakistani history texts are replete with errors, concoctions and half-truths. The system turns the meaning of “education” on its head by producing masses of ignorance.

I don’t think Pakistan needs helicopters or guns. What Pakistan needs very badly is new text books. A $10B program of re-educating Pakistanis will pay more dividends for all donor countries.

 

[Bornubus]

According to Mehdi Hasan "I once asked the Pakistani politician Imran Khan why his fellow citizens were so keen on conspiracy theories. “They’re lied to all the time by their leaders,” he replied. “If a society is used to listening to lies all the time . . . everything becomes a conspiracy.”

 

[pmaitra]

Sir kindly keep the discussion civil....
Its very much desirable not to make forum trash pile like
It's a well known phenomena that posters resort to abusive language out of anger and stupid posts
But I think it's better to let everyone (including Pakistani members too) to express their views in civilized way

There is nothing uncivil or abusive in any of my posts.

These Pakistanis always imitate the Arabs. I am imitating their imitation of the Arabs.

This al-whatever (imitating Arabs, again), is free to post. If you haven't noticed yet, this thread is not yet locked up.

If you are referring to others' posts, well, I am going to bed now. I'll ask @Sakal Gharelu Ustad and/or @sob to keep an eye.

 

[Bornubus]

The Enemy

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, And he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere." Hazrat Ali Abn e Abi Talib R.A

Muslims invade and conquer Hindu dominated sub continent and ruled 1000 years and at the end the fall and take a part of the Indian empire as their own country in 1947 Pakistan.

Partition:
In 1947 British decided to leave the subcontinent and want to hand over control to Indian leaders but fail to make big Parties Hindus and Muslims satisfied on power handover. Hindu want pre-Muslim invasion Akhand Bharat but Muslims demand separate nation on the basis of two nation theory. Lord Mountbatten was sent to divide India after failing the negotiations British decided for the partition a new nation appears on the map of earth Pakistan which shatters the Akhand Bharat dream of Hindus and here starts the main story which based on historical truths.

When partition agenda announce since then extremist Hindu started a hidden war first they started riots in Muslim areas in Punjab and other parts to flood newly developed nation with huge migrants so that their tiny economy and meager resources crushed and state fails, then by force the rejoined Hindustan (Akhand Bharat) but that idea fails miserably under the great leader ship of Mohammad Ali Jinnah (Father of the Nation) they succeeded to coup with the huge problem even migrant community proves very helpful they took the best part in developing Pakistan. They tries hard to block the much needed funds transfer but after the intervention of Mr. Mohandas Gandhi the force to release the funds which eventually led to the killing of Mr. Gandhi by the ultra right wing Hindus (Nathuram Godse) todays RSS.

Akhand Bharat:
It is historical fact that Indian subcontinent never in history ruled by single power which could be called Akhand Bharat but after Muslim rulers Hindu starts dreaming to establish it but their dreams shattered in 1947. but they never loose hope and start smear hidden war against Pakistan to weaken it along with that they annexed many small states Kashmir, Hyderabad and Goa etc

Their campaign and Hidden war:
To achieve their dream they started multi dimensional war against Pakistan. Their big achievement is so far War of 1971.
War of 1971:

After famine in east Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and political turmoil in the country India sees a chance and strike first they started filling young brains of west Pakistan with hate by using Hindu teachers and professors as a proxy to create grounds for next attack then they hired Mujeeb to do their Job by not agreeing on any point with west Pakistan.

Along with their propaganda war they started to build anti state force name Mukti Bahini and by using them they started to slaughter nationalist and loyal Pakistanis in large number and east Pakistan left no choice but a military action against these Indian funded terrorism but situation become worse and India attack Pakistan with the help of terrorists. Pakistan resisted this terrorism but for the sake of people which are being slaughtered in large numbers by Mukti Bahini Pakistan surrendered. India achieved first major goal.
And now they already started a campaign to cut off Bangladesh with other Muslim nation specially Pakistan so that when Bangladesh weaken enough they can annexed it and merge it with Indian Bengal.

Baluchistan:
On the basis of their Bangladesh success Indian starts dreaming of cut Baluchistan from Pakistan and they start funding criminal nawabs but this time Pakistan managed to curb Indian funded terror. But they started it time to time with new hopes. To fulfill their Baluchistan dream now Indian using their consulates in Afghanistan to spread terror in Pakistan.


Sindh:
Same way like Baluchistan and Bangladesh they targeted Sindh province of Pakistan, they funded ultra right wing nationalist Jeay Sindh Qaumi Mahaz and this time they selected Gm Syed as a proxy to creat grounds for the master plan but Pakistani establishment come to know this on early stages and foil their plan.

Economic Terrorism:

After failing in baluchistan and Sindh our arch enemy strikes on Pakistan economy
Karachi (MQM):
To fulfill their economic agenda this time they selected our biggest economic hub, the only port city and largest revenue generator Karachi and as a proxy the created and fund MQM (Altaf Hussain). With the help of their mole which is now operating from London the hit us very hard, thousands of people killed and effected, large economic loss but with help of army and rangers we still manage to control them and cleaning is under process but Indian agencies trying hard to destroy peace and development of this big city.

International Lobbies and fake sab-standard Pakistani products by our enemy:

Their terrorism not limited to Pakistan only they spread it against us on international level to harm Pakistani economy and reputation. First they target Pakistani product importers through their lobbies and flood market with fake sab-standard products to defame our companies and products, with no time the introduce Indian products. Few years back after seeing successful rice export from Pakistan our arch rival strikes with their sab-standard rice marked as Pakistani but after investigation pakistan successfully foiled it.

this is one example keeping it short i posted one.

Sports:
Their terrorism even struck sports, Pakistan a big rival of India (Pakistan win more matches against India) and our bowlers are matchless. This time they hit Pakistani cricket by attacking Sri Lankan team in Pakistan to harm our cricket and cricketers, they succeeded in their heinous act and for a long time international cricket matched stopped In Pakistan which resulted big loss in PCB earning and eventually cricketers. Not only this but they also stopped playing with us in order to harm PCB and players earnings. They gain powerful position in ICC and often target our cricketers through paid proxies example is Saed Ajmal, hafeez and the trio which trapped by Indians.

Few other heinous acts of terrorism by our enemy:
Polio teams attacked:
To deprive Pakistani future much needed medical care and labelled Pakistan not polio free so that other countries refuse Pakistanis visa to deprive us from remittance and business.
Bomb Blasts In Hotels:
Many hotels and resorts targeted like Marriott, Malam Jaba, PC which are famous in foreigners and tourists reason is quite obvious.
Many bomb blasts in Past in Punjab:
terrorist arrested like Surbjeet Singh and others.
Waga Border Suicide Attack:

My Question:
After reading few facts by our neighbor do you people still think they ever change their attitude since they are against the existence of Pakistan.
my Suggestion:
Its time to act, Hit them back where the feel the PAIN THE MOST
We need surgical strikes in Afghanistan from where they are operating and funding terrorism in Pakistan

1.Yes we are proud of partition.A Musalman dominated tumor were cut out in 1947,the riches and development of present day India is for the people (all religions) who consider India their Homeland and their allegiance is not in Macca.This includes the patriot Indian Muslims who are aware of their Hindu roots and take pride in Bhartiya Culture.

2.Yes we should fund proxies In Pak like Pakis do in Kashmir,we want Pak to be terrorist shithole and a failed state in years to come begging for mercy licking Hindu Boots of present day India.

This means terrorism/Freedom struggle in every pak province and a bomb blast in every alternate day.

3.We also take pride if India did economically sabotage pak,although their is hardly any economy in pak,a cash starved sub $300 billion shithole living on foreign AID.

4.Lastly if gives us immense pleasure when senior Pakis like PCB Shahriyar khan came to India and lick Hindu Boots and begging for a cricket series,IPL and other lucrative sports league.

Musalman actress Veena malik happily accept to wash Ashmit patel's underwear on big boss while your other artist got beaten up in mumbai.

In short we don't want any Akhand Bharat unless you re convert to your ancestral faith for now we look down on Bangladeshi and Paki Musalman a low class Mallecha.

Rest of your post is just a pipe dream,kindly bomb a indian consulate in Afghanistan and have a APS Peshawar on Daily Basis after Half of lahore turned into a crater by Air strikes.

 

[sorcerer]

@Al_Asad_Al_Mulk

An Article from DAWN.

What is the most blatant lie taught through Pakistan textbooks?

Nationalism and patriotism in Pakistan are contested subjects. What makes us Pakistanis and what is it that makes us love our land and nation?

The answers to these questions vary widely depending on who is being asked. A large part of our national identity stems from our sense of history and culture that are deeply rooted in the land and in the legacy of the region's ancient civilisations. Religion has also played a big part in making us what we are today. But the picture general history textbooks paint for us does not portray the various facets of our identity.

Instead it offers quite a convoluted description of who we are. The distortion of historical facts has in turn played a quintessential role in manipulating our sense of self. What's ironic is that the boldest fallacies in these books are about the events that are still in our living memory. Herald invited writers and commentators, well versed in history, to share their answers to what they believe is the most blatant lie taught through Pakistan history textbooks.
[HR][/HR]
The fundamental divide between Hindus and Muslims

The most blatant lie in Pakistan Studies textbooks is the idea that Pakistan was formed solely because of a fundamental conflict between Hindus and Muslims. This idea bases itself on the notion of a civilisational divide between monolithic Hindu and Muslim identities, which simply did not exist.

The stress on religion ignored other factors that could cut across both identities. For instance, a Muslim from most of South India had far more in common, because of his regionally specific culture and language, with Hindus in his area than the Muslims in the north of the Subcontinent.

Similarly, the division of the historical narrative into a 'Hindu' and 'Muslim' period, aside from the ironic fact that this was actually instituted by the British, glosses over the reality that Islamic empires also fought each other for power. After all, Babar had to defeat Ibrahim Lodi, and thus, the Delhi Sultanate, for the Mughal period to begin.

Therefore, power and empire building often trumped this religious identity, that textbooks claim, can be traced linearly right to the formation of Pakistan.

These textbooks tend to have snapshot descriptions of the contempt with which the two religious communities treated one another. This is specifically highlighted in descriptions of the Congress ministries formed after the elections of 1937.

Other factors that contributed historically to these shows of religious 'contempt' in South Asian history are often ignored. Indeed, Richard Eaton's classic study of temple desecrations shows that in almost all cases where Hindu temples were ransacked, it was for political or economic reasons.

In most cases, it was because the Muslim ruler was punishing an insubordinate Hindu official. Otherwise, the Mughals protected such temples. Jumping ahead, this sort of inter-communal cooperation aimed at maintaining political control could also be seen in the Unionist Party, which was in power in Punjab all the way up until 1946.

As Pakistan was formed barely a year later, the notion that its formation was based on a long-standing and fundamental conflict between Hindus and Muslims is deeply problematic.
— Anushay Malik holds a PhD in history from University of London and is currently an assistant professor at the Lahore University of Management Sciences
[HR][/HR]
Eulogising leaders

In his preface to the Muqaddimah, Ibn Khaldun warned of seven mistakes that he thought historians often committed. One of the seven is "the common desire to gain favor of those of high ranks, by praising them, by spreading their fame."

This particular mistake, or lie rather, has plagued history writing for school texts in Pakistan since the 1950s and has been used as a political tool to project successive rulers – whether civilian or military – in a eulogistic format.

Moreover, another mindless inaccuracy is the absence of the 'other', where India and Congress are needlessly ignored and a one-sided version of history is deemed necessary for creating a nationalistic mindset.

This gap continues in the historical narrative for school students post-partition. Hence, some of the most blatant lies and subversion of historical facts exist in the textbooks mandated by the federal and provincial textbook boards.

Furthermore, maligning the 'enemy' is done quite overtly and mindlessly in official history school texts which, unfortunately, is also the case with some Indian school texts documented by discerning authors on both sides of the border.

Most nation states during the 19th and 20th centuries used official versions of history in order to create a homogenous and nationalistic identity. Pakistan's first education minister, Fazalur Rehman, set up the Historical Society of Pakistan in 1948 so that history for the new nation could be rewritten in a fair and balanced manner using authentic and reliable sources.

Successive governments did not further this goal and history written for schools in Pakistan became the victim of fossilized textbook boards ratifying the work of unethical and unscholarly authors for public school consumption. Vested interests continue to triumph despite the open door policy since 2004 for private publishers to bid for quality textbooks.

— Ismat Riaz is an educational consultant and author of the textbook, Understanding History
[HR][/HR]

Excluding and manipulating historical periods

The most blatant lie in textbook accounts of Pakistan's history is by virtue of omission, which is in effect the denial of our multicultural, multi-ethnic and multi-religious past. It is a common complaint that Pakistan's history is taught as if it began with the conquest of Sindh by the Umayyad army, led by the young General, Muhammad bin Qasim in 711 AD.
Most textbooks in Sindh at least do mention Moenjodaro and the Indus Valley civilization, but it is not discussed in a meaningful way and there is no discussion about its extent and culture. Important periods and events during subsequent centuries are also skimmed over, like the Aryan civilization which introduced its powerful social system and epic poetry (Mahabharata in which Sindh and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa play important roles), the Brahmin religion, a thousand years of Buddhism with its universities and the Gandharan civilization which was spread throughout present day Pakistan.

No students of Pakistani schools can tell us that Pakistan was once part of the empires of Cyrus the Great and Darius of the Achaemenid Dynasty and later of the Sassanian Empire with the legendary rule of Naushirwan, "the Just". Similarly, hardly anyone would be aware that Asoka whose capital was in Pataliputra in the east of the subcontinent also counted Sindh, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Punjab as part of his domain.

The result of these omissions is disastrous on the minds of the youth in Pakistan. Instead of seeing themselves as heirs of many civilizations, they acquire a narrow, one-dimensional view of the world. This is contradicted by what they subsequently see in this global world of information technology and shared knowledge. That this is also in direct contravention of Islamic teachings does not occur to the perpetrators of a lopsided curriculum in our schools.

The first assertion in the Holy Quran is Iqra bi Ism I Rabik [and no restrictions are put on the acquisition of knowledge].

Instead, we have bans on books, digital platforms such as YouTube and even newspapers in this Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

— Hamida Khuhro is a historian and former education minister for Sindh

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The other view
To say a large part of Pakistan's history is shared with India would be stating the obvious. Yet it is this period of both our histories, or the portrayal of such, that is tampered with the most and has been used as a political tool by either side. The Herald invited renowned Indian historian and currently a Jawaharlal Nehru Fellow, Mushirul Hasan, to give his take on the lies taught through textbooks on both sides of the border.

History is only of use for its lessons, and it is the duty of the historian to see that they are properly taught. Very few in the subcontinent heed this advice. Both in India and Pakistan the intellectual climate has thrown the historical profession into disarray.

Such is the power and influence of the polemicists that a growing number of people are abandoning the quest for an objective approach. With the recent appointment of a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS)-oriented Chairman of the Indian Council for Historical Research, liberal and secular historians are worried about the future of their discipline.

The diversity of approaches has been the hallmark of Indian historiography. As a result, the making of Pakistan and its evolution as a nation state is interpreted differently in various quarters.

The ghosts of partition was put to rest and not exhumed for frequent post-mortems. Moreover, the liberal-left historians did not repudiate the idea of Pakistan. On the contrary, they criticised the Congress stalwarts for failing to guide the movements they initiated away from the forces of reactionary communalism.

This was true of Maulana Abul Kalam Azad and Ram Manohar Lohia, the Socialist leader. The Maulana, in particular, charged Nehru for jettisoning the plan for a Congress-Muslim coalition in 1937 and the prospect of an enduring Hindu-Muslim partnership.

Tara Chand's three-volume History of the Freedom Movement in India held its ground until the Janata government decided, in 1977, to rewrite the secular textbook. With the establishment of the BJP-led government in October 1999, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-RSS combination began its subversion of academia through its time-tested method of infiltration and rewriting of textbooks and 'fine-tuning' of curricula.

Saffronization of education will breed fanaticism, heighten caste and communitarian consciousness, and stifle the natural inclination of a student to cultivate a balanced and cautious judgement. Increasingly, it may be difficult for some of us to establish historical truths or to defend the cult of objective historical inquiry.

As the radical currents are being swept aside by the winds of right-wing discourse, it is pertinent to recall the Saidian (Edward Said) dictum that "nothing disfigures the intellectuals' public performance as much trimming, careful silence, patriotic bluster, and retrospective of self-dramatizing prophecy."

The story in Pakistan runs on different lines. Starting with I H Qureshi and Aziz Ahmad, scholars in our neighbours have tenaciously adhered to the belief that the creation of the Muslim nation was the culmination of a 'natural' process.

They have pressed into service the 'two-nation' theory to define nationality in purely Islamic terms. In the process, they have turned a blind eye to the syncretic and composite trajectory of Indian society, which began with Mohammad Iqbal's memorable lines Ae Aab-e-Rood-e-Ganga! Woh Din Hain Yaad Tujh Ko? Utra Tere Kinare Jab Karwan Humara [Oh, waters of the river Ganges! Do you remember those days? Those days when our caravan halted on your bank?].

The same poet talked of "Naya Shiwala", a temple of peace and goodwill. Again, the same poet gave lessons of religious understanding and tolerance in yet another poet.

Sadly, these thoughts are hardly reflected in our textbooks. We don't emphasize the virtue of living with diversity and sharing social and cultural inheritances. We don't introduce our students to the vibrant legacy of Kabir, Guru Nanak, Akbar, and Dara Shikoh. Instead, we dwell on the imaginary kufr-o-imaan ki jung, on the destruction of temples and forcible conversions. Increasingly, young students are introduced to the Islamist or the Hindutva world views that have caused incalculable damage to State and civil society.

Saadat Hasan Manto described an existentialist reality – the separation of people living on both sides who had a long history of cultural and social contact – and the paradoxical character of borders being a metaphor of the ambiguities of nation-building. He offered, without saying so, a way of correcting the distortions inherent in state-centered national histories.

Ayesha Jalal is right in pointing out that as "old orthodoxies recede before the flood of fresh historical evidence and earlier certitudes are overturned by newly detected contradictions", this is the time to heal "the multiple fractures which turned the promised dawn of freedom into a painful moment of separation."

In the words of the poet Ali Sardar Jafri:

Tum aao gulshan-e-Lahore se chaman bardosh, Hum Aayein subh-e-Benaras ki roshni le kar, Himalaya ke hawaaon ki taazigi le kar, aur uss ke baad yeh poochein ke kaun dushaman hai? .. [You come forward with flowers from the Garden of Lahore, We bring to you the light and radiance of the morning of Benaras, The freshness of the winds of Himalayas, And then we ask who the enemy is?].
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Wars with India
The most blatant lies in Pakistani history textbooks are about the events that are still in our living memory. Among the many examples, the three given below are about the wars of 1965 and 1971, and the partition carnage of 1947. The reason for the falsehood lies in our distorted view of nationalism. Rather than let children learn from our historical mistakes, we show them a false picture. Thus we are doomed to repeat the mistakes generation after generation.

The following excerpt regarding the 1965 war is taken from fifth grade reading material published by the NWFP Textbook Board, Peshawar in 2002 — "The Pakistan Army conquered several areas of India, and when India was at the verge of being defeated she ran to the United Nations to beg for a cease-fire. Magnanimously, thereafter, Pakistan returned all the conquered territories to India."

The Punjab Textbook Board published the following text on the causes for the separation of East Pakistan in 1993 for secondary classes — "There were a large number of Hindus in East Pakistan. They had never truly accepted Pakistan. A large number of them were teachers in schools and colleges.

They continued creating a negative impression among students. No importance was attached to explaining the ideology of Pakistan to the younger generation.

The Hindus sent a substantial part of their earnings to Bharat, thus adversely affecting the economy of the province. Some political leaders encouraged provincialism for selfish gains. They went around depicting the central Government and (the then) West Pakistan as enemy and exploiter. Political aims were thus achieved at the cost of national unity."

"While the Muslims provided all sorts of help to those non-Muslims desiring to leave Pakistan [during partition], people of India committed atrocities against Muslims trying to migrate to Pakistan. They would attack the buses, trucks and trains carrying the Muslim refugees and murder and loot them." The latter except was taken from an intermediate classes textbook — Civics of Pakistan, 2000.

Some more examples of totally contorted and misleading, yet ingenious and amusing, narrations of the history of Pakistan can be extracted from a single text, A Textbook of Pakistan Studies by M D Zafar.

"Pakistan came to be established for the first time when the Arabs led by Muhammad bin Qasim occupied Sindh and Multan. Pakistan under the Arabs comprised the Lower Indus Valley."

"During the 11th century the Ghaznavid Empire comprised what is now Pakistan and Afghanistan. During the 12th century the Ghaznavids lost Afghanistan and their rule came to be confined to Pakistan".

"By the 13th century Pakistan had spread to include the whole of Northern India and Bengal. Under the Khiljis Pakistan moved further South to include a greater part of Central India and the Deccan".

"During the 16th century, 'Hindustan' disappeared and was completely absorbed in 'Pakistan".

"Shah Waliullah appealed to Ahmad Shah Durrani of Afghanistan and 'Pakistan' to come to the rescue of the Muslims of Mughal India, and save them from the tyrannies of the Marhattas"¦"

"In the Pakistan territories where a Sikh state had come to be established, the Muslims were denied the freedom of religion."

"Thus by the middle of the 19th century both Pakistan and Hindustan ceased to exist; instead British India came into being. Although Pakistan was created in August 1947, yet except for its name, the present-day Pakistan has existed, as a more or less single entity for centuries."

— A H Nayyar is a physicist and retired professor. He co-edited an SDPI report titled "The Subtle Subversion: The State of Curricula and Textbooks in Pakistan.
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Pakistan was made for Muslims

The most blatant lie that covers page after page of history textbooks is that Pakistan was created for the promotion and propagation of religion. In fact when the Muslim League was established in Dhaka in 1906 one of the foremost principles was the creation of loyalty to the British rulers and to promote greater understanding between Muslims and the British government.

The idea of religion barely entered the discourse of the Muslim League until the elections of 1937, when the League lost elections and the Congress won decisively. It was at that time that religious nationalism was invoked vigorously to create a feeling of unity among the Muslims of Uttar Pardesh (UP), Bengal and Punjab in order to provide the League an ideational basis of support.
Pakistan was mainly created for the protection and promotion of the class interests of the landed aristocracy which formed the League. The meeting at which the League was formed was attended mainly by the landed elite which feared that if the British left India and representative government was established, the traditional power of the loyal Muslim aristocracy would erode, especially since the class composition of the Congress reflected the educated urban and rural middle classes seeking upward mobility and a share in political power.

The peasant movement in Bengal was mobilised for purely political purposes since its aims and ideology conflicted radically with those of the landed aristocracy.

The urban educated middle classes of UP which joined the League later and enunciated the Hindu-Muslim difference argument in 1940, eschewed Muslim nationalism soon after independence because it had outlived its political use. The nature of the state outlined by the educated urban class in 1947 was based on a pluralistic vision of a state based on religious and citizenship equality.

— Rubina Saigol is a scholar and has authored several books on education and society and co-edited books on feminism and gender.


Source:What is the most blatant lie taught through Pakistan textbooks? - Pakistan - DAWN.COM


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