Fidayeen is common nomenclature for these attacks(where terrorists fight to death), don't think BD used it with religious connotation.Barkha Dutt Tweet -
The return of the Fidayeen attack. Militants strike in Srinagar in area that also has a public school. Delhi please pay attention.
Note the use of word Fidayeen - 'those willing to sacrifice themselves for God`- rather than terrorists. This lady is in the league of anti-nationals like Arundhati Roy.
Her name Burkha Dhatt is not given just like that only. Check her trail, journos choose their words carefully intended for the target audience.Fidayeen is common nomenclature for these attacks(where terrorists fight to death), don't think BD used it with religious connotation.
That may be the case. All I am saying is that BD is not wrong with the term Fidayeen here, she did not coin it.Her name Burkha Dhatt is not given just like that only. Check her trail, journos choose their words carefully intended for the target audience.
Now the question rises again :- Should India take out terror camps across the border ? How long we'll tolerate this?
Striking cross LOC terror camps have been avoided till now (except in special cases) because of the lack of any real impact on the ground. The terrorists are more like sacrificial lambs, of little cost to the PA &ISI, with much higher interests. They are extremely disposable.Now the question rises again :- Should India take out terror camps across the border ? How long we'll tolerate this?
Striking cross LOC terror camps have been avoided till now (except in special cases) because of the lack of any real impact on the ground. The terrorists are more like sacrificial lambs, of little cost to the PA &ISI, with much higher interests. They are extremely disposable.
And in any case, there is no dearth of radicalised youths in Pak who wants their 72 virgins. Even if we wipe out one or two terrorist camps, some more will simply crop up in different places. A lot lost and nothing gained for the operation of striking their bases.
The only way we will have hard impact is if the middle tier ranks of the terrorists and their handlets are hit and eliminated. Most preferrably by R&AW's SG, without the flash and noise of a Spec ops assault. This is what needs to be done. The upper levels of the terrorist outfits are not really useful candidates for assasination, as they don not hold operational control. They may be the masyerminds, but the plans are drawn up and perfected by the middle ranks.
There are indeed several rumours of SG being active in POK, but as of now, no whispers have emerged of them conducting such missions. What is their purpose in POK is anybody's guess. We also know that the ARC flies missions deep into LoC as a matter of routine.
I can recall a specific leak (very quickly plugged by the IA and GOI) of the presence of assets inside POK. The army CO stated that elements across the LOC had alerted the IA of a large infiltration party aporoaching the LOC. This later resulted in a big success. The GOI and the IA very quickly covered this up and several rumours were leaked to cover up this. This happened a few months after 26/11.
Extremely few cases of RAW operation have come into the public domain, especially against Pakistani terrorists.Any links? Am dying to get some news to convince myself that RAW does something more than 10-5 office with their big bellies flipping through paper files!
Extremely few cases of RAW operation have come into the public domain, especially against Pakistani terrorists.
But here are some notable ones
Yeah and perhaps some RAW agent(s) is also keeping a watch on india-pak forums as well to check how much of their cover is blown upThanks!
So RAW is alive everywhere except pakistan?
WRT pakistan, it seems either RAW is ineffective or their cover is too effective! Hope its the later...
Just now kurshid gave special lunch to pak pm and they have given back treat to usWhy is the GoI still so soft on pakistan sponsored terror attacks. I think it is high time that IAF destroyed all the terror camps identified in the PoK region.
Actually bombing terror camps may result into a full scale war with Pak, and this is the only fear that has kept us away from doing do. But within 2 years the scene will be different, US forces will leave Afghanistan, so such terror attacks will only increase and the question I asked will become highly relevant. Your suggestion is good but I doubt R&AW will be able to do that in Pakistan, the only possible scene which comes into my mind is India getting attacked every now and then; but are we ready to tolerate them ?Striking cross LOC terror camps have been avoided till now (except in special cases) because of the lack of any real impact on the ground. The terrorists are more like sacrificial lambs, of little cost to the PA &ISI, with much higher interests. They are extremely disposable.
And in any case, there is no dearth of radicalised youths in Pak who wants their 72 virgins. Even if we wipe out one or two terrorist camps, some more will simply crop up in different places. A lot lost and nothing gained for the operation of striking their bases.
The only way we will have hard impact is if the middle tier ranks of the terrorists and their handlets are hit and eliminated. Most preferrably by R&AW's SG, without the flash and noise of a Spec ops assault. This is what needs to be done. The upper levels of the terrorist outfits are not really useful candidates for assasination, as they don not hold operational control. They may be the masyerminds, but the plans are drawn up and perfected by the middle ranks.
There are indeed several rumours of SG being active in POK, but as of now, no whispers have emerged of them conducting such missions. What is their purpose in POK is anybody's guess. We also know that the ARC flies missions deep into LoC as a matter of routine.
I can recall a specific leak (very quickly plugged by the IA and GOI) of the presence of assets inside POK. The army CO stated that elements across the LOC had alerted the IA of a large infiltration party aporoaching the LOC. This later resulted in a big success. The GOI and the IA very quickly covered this up and several rumours were leaked to cover up this. This happened a few months after 26/11.
Not true. Raw is indeed very active inside Pak. From its inception until the late 90s the R&AW had a very agressive capability against Pak. You might want to read about Counterintelligence Team-X(CIT-X)-and-Counterintelligence Team-J(CIT-J) to learn more about its ops and mandate.Thanks!
So RAW is alive everywhere except pakistan?
WRT pakistan, it seems either RAW is ineffective or their cover is too effective! Hope its the later...
You are right that the threat of escallation is a huge factor in our decision to not target Pak camps, but the other reasons hold similar weight, if not more.Actually bombing terror camps may result into a full scale war with Pak, and this is the only fear that has kept us away from doing do. But within 2 years the scene will be different, US forces will leave Afghanistan, so such terror attacks will only increase and the question I asked will become highly relevant. Your suggestion is good but I doubt R&AW will be able to do that in Pakistan, the only possible scene which comes into my mind is India getting attacked every now and then; but are we ready to tolerate them ?
You dont expect rats to turn Lions on getting hold of power. No matter where they are, cowardice follows them.This threat of escalation thing has only exposed the cowardice in the govt. The threat for escalation works both ways and we know who has won all the wars that escalated.
There is something called limited response and covert action. What stopped India from killing Hafiz Saeed? What stops India from bombing known terror camps in PoK?
The onus will be on Pakistan if it wants to escalate and as a powerful army that we consider ourselves, we should be more than ready to respond.
Current position on LOC is very much dependent on who holds dominating position and differs sector to sector. This is coupled by the fact that the Pak army donot discriminate between military and civilian target while shelling. Also if tables are turned would run to hid their as**s inside civilian villages and fire from there.This threat of escalation thing has only exposed the cowardice in the govt. The threat for escalation works both ways and we know who has won all the wars that escalated.
There is something called limited response and covert action. What stopped India from killing Hafiz Saeed? What stops India from bombing known terror camps in PoK?
The onus will be on Pakistan if it wants to escalate and as a powerful army that we consider ourselves, we should be more than ready to respond.