Tata Aerospace C 295

[Maharaj samudragupt]

That picture of SU 30 mki has 26 bombs in total.
Which are visible.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Total su 3o can carry 28 ofab 250 bombs , 32 fab 100 bombs , 20 drdo SAAW , 3 sudarshan LGB , 8 fab 500 bombs.
India has a bomb truck in the form of su 30 mki

 

[Tactical Doge]

This type of bombing by bombers and transport aircraft only happens with complete air superiority.
Maybe after annihilation of PAF and their air defences. Hope they procure the gunship varient of C295. Will be first in Asia.

In an uncontested enemy airspace
These babies can carpet bomb and delete Sq Kms worth of area

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

That picture of SU 30 mki has 26 bombs in total.
Which are visible.

Total su 3o can carry 28 ofab 250 bombs , 32 fab 100 bombs , 20 drdo SAAW , 3 sudarshan LGB , 8 fab 500 bombs.
India has a bomb truck in the form of su 30 mki

OT But proper strategic bombers like B-2 Spirit or B1B Lancer can carry three times the bomb load of Su-30MKI. Maybe post-2040, we'll have our own Stealth Bomber Program. All depends on our progress with Aircraft Engines though. Last bomber IAF had was Canberra which had less payload capacity than Tejas. Would be really funny if this actually happens though. India built a 4++ generation fighter jet before it built Saras aircraft. Then India is building a 5-minus generation (TEDBF) and a 5th Generation (AMCA) jet before it builds RTA-70. So imagine if we build a B-21 Raider type of stealth bomber before we make a C-17 type transport plane.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Tactical Doge]

Delivery to be completed by 2031

For 56 aircrafts

 

[Nationalist Manasvi Papa]

Delivery to be completed by 2031

For 56 aircrafts

Maybe they'll give more orders to increase production

 

[Tactical Doge]

Maybe they'll give more orders to increase production

Less likely
The intial batch of 16 (one squadron) will be directly bought from Airbus in fly away condition
Which will be delivered in 4 years i.e by 2025
And the next 40 will be manufactured by Tata here in Hyderabad
The gap of 4 years and 16 aircrafts which is bought directly is for Tata and Airbus to set up the manufacturing infra in Hyderabad within the 4 year timeline
If by some miracle they pull it off in a lesser timeframe........

People would obviously remember the K-9 Vajra episode by L&T where deliveries were made ahead of schedules stipulated by the army
Same if done by some PSU would have instead drag on the delivery by a year or two

I may be naive, mixed with some wishful thinking, but in the hands of people who actually has done something and has a global footprint like tata, you may expect the delivery to complete 2-3 or more years ahead of 2031 timeframe

Maybe they'll give more orders to increase production

Maybe after deliveries finished we can dish out 200 of these babies and make them our work horse
People regularly say C17 is a tremendous bolster to our capabilities, America has 230 C-17s we have just 11
Hopefully With this Tata becomes a "valued partner in the Asia Pacific" of Airbus and make some heavy category Cargo aircrafts here locally
Insha Muruga
Atmanirbharta at its peak
Bharat Suppa pawa

 

[abingdonboy]

This is Mega for Indian Aerospace Industry complex. Tata will leverage this opportunity to create a giant entity in Asia. C 295 should be our go to aircraft for multiple requirements, starting from transport, gunship, naval surveillance and AWACS. Exporting this to friendly nation after 10 years can't be ruled out along with acting as the maintenance hub for this aircraft.
Save this post, this is a paradigm shift. Indian Aerospace industry is going to achieve exponential growth.

True to a degree- will make India the largest operator by far of the type and give it the ability to become the regional MRO hub for it as well as creating an entire supply ecosystem in India.

BUT this must be accompanied by TASL being willing to take the next step on from this and doing their own R&D

will be interesting to see if TASL markets it for the UDAN scheme- surely a no brainer.

domestic demand for C295 including military orders could far exceed 150 units

 

[abingdonboy]

Delivery to be completed by 2031

For 56 aircrafts

What do you expect? 3 years till first delivery (standard timeline) and then around 8/year after then. Doubt IAF can absorb many more than this annually

However if other orders come (from ICG/IN or others) they’ll expand annual production to deliver in parallel with IAF orders.

 

[Haldilal]

Delivery to be completed by 2031

For 56 aircrafts

Ya'll Nibbiars 48 months within the signing of the order. There are rumors of additional aircraft for the various roles and services.

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

True to a degree- will make India the largest operator by far of the type and give it the ability to become the regional MRO hub for it as well as creating an entire supply ecosystem in India.

BUT this must be accompanied by TASL being willing to take the next step on from this and doing their own R&D

will be interesting to see if TASL markets it for the UDAN scheme- surely a no brainer.

domestic demand for C295 including military orders could far exceed 150 units

But the IP is with Airbus, so TATA will have to negotiate getting DGCA type certification for C-295 in a civilian passenger variant for UDAN. Better if TATA ties up for Saras and RTA with NAL.

 

[abingdonboy]

Less likely
The intial batch of 16 (one squadron) will be directly bought from Airbus in fly away condition
Which will be delivered in 4 years i.e by 2025
And the next 40 will be manufactured by Tata here in Hyderabad
The gap of 4 years and 16 aircrafts which is bought directly is for Tata and Airbus to set up the manufacturing infra in Hyderabad within the 4 year timeline
If by some miracle they pull it off in a lesser timeframe........

People would obviously remember the K-9 Vajra episode by L&T where deliveries were made ahead of schedules stipulated by the army
Same if done by some PSU would have instead drag on the delivery by a year or two

I may be naive, mixed with some wishful thinking, but in the hands of people who actually has done something and has a global footprint like tata, you may expect the delivery to complete 2-3 or more years ahead of 2031 timeframe

Maybe after deliveries finished we can dish out 200 of these babies and make them our work horse
People regularly say C17 is a tremendous bolster to our capabilities, America has 230 C-17s we have just 11
Hopefully With this Tata becomes a "valued partner in the Asia Pacific" of Airbus and make some heavy category Cargo aircrafts here locally
Insha Muruga
Atmanirbharta at its peak
Bharat Suppa pawa
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No one said that the 10 year timeline was the limitation of Airbus/TATA, it is what is stipulated in the contract by the MoD/IAF just like MMRCA 2.0/MRFA RFI says 114 over 8 years (14/year). The limitation here is not supply but how many IAF can afford to absorb, it’s not a simple task

IAF is really struggling to even keep up with LCA FOC production

C17 and C295 should not be spoken about in the same breath, no amount of C295s will make up for the shortfall of C17s.

 

[abingdonboy]

But the IP is with Airbus, so TATA will have to negotiate getting DGCA type certification for C-295 in a civilian passenger variant for UDAN. Better if TATA ties up for Saras and RTA with NAL.

I imagine Airbus has EASA/FAA clearances for the civil version already so it shouldn’t be much of an effort for DGCA to do the same especially as it’ll be a ‘made in India’ product.

pretty sure that the civilian versions do Saras are intended to be made by a private player anyway but first it has to be ready for production and has to be have orders- this is the elusive part for many Indian products.

it’s much easier simply to order a proven product like C295

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

I imagine Airbus has EASA/FAA clearances for the civil version already so it shouldn’t be much of an effort for DGCA to do the same especially as it’ll be a ‘made in India’ product.

pretty sure that the civilian versions do Saras are intended to be made by a private player anyway but first it has to be ready for production and has to be have orders- this is the elusive part for many Indian products.

it’s much easier simply to order a proven product like C295

I don't think they have a C-295 variant certified to fly civilian passengers yet.

 

[abingdonboy]

Ya'll Nibbiars 48 months within the signing of the order. There are rumors of additional aircraft for the various roles and services.

That’s obvious

can see there being demand from ICG, IN and a few CAPFs within the next 7 years easily. Production run of C295 in India is assured until 2031- by then india Will be a VERY different country and all forces will have spent vast sums so we can only imagine the kind of interest this thing will get across the board once it’s made in India. Just hope Airbus and Tata really seize on the opportunity and market it hard to every Tom dick and Harry- state govts, CAPFs, helimed companies, airlines etc etc. Vast untapped demand here

 

[Haldilal]

That’s obvious

can see there being demand from ICG, IN and a few CAPFs within the next 7 years easily. Production run of C295 in India is assured until 2031- by then india Will be a VERY different country and all forces will have spent vast sums so we can only imagine the kind of interest this thing will get across the board once it’s made in India. Just hope Airbus and Tata really seize on the opportunity and market it hard to every Tom dick and Harry- state govts, CAPFs, helimed companies, airlines etc etc. Vast untapped demand here

Ya'll Nibbiars what a coincidence I heard the same thing by 2021 India Armed forces would have higher Capital expenditure back in 2011 in the same month here on the DFI. Wake me then.

 

[abingdonboy]

I don't think they have a C-295 variant certified to fly civilian passengers yet.

No orders but they’ve got a degree of certification

Airbus C295 Wins Spanish Civil Certification | AIN

Business, Air Transport, Defense & General Aviation News

www.ainonline.com

50 pax in airline seats- in airliner version this thing is not in the same category remotely as Saras.

if the demand is there who would bet against the combined might of Airbus and TATA?

 

[abingdonboy]

Ya'll Nibbiars what a coincidence I heard the same thing by 2021 India Armed forces would have higher Capital expenditure back I in same month here on the DFI. Wake me then.

Huh?

 

[Tactical Doge]

No one said that the 10 year timeline was the limitation of Airbus/TATA, it is what is stipulated in the contract by the MoD/IAF just like MMRCA 2.0/MRFA RFI says 114 over 8 years (14/year). The limitation here is not supply but how many IAF can afford to absorb, it’s not a simple task

IAF is really struggling to even keep up with LCA FOC production

C17 and C295 should not be spoken about in the same breath, no amount of C295s will make up for the shortfall of C17s.

I did not equate C295 and C17
Our situation is better than countries like Qatar Australia Canada Kuwait etc when Spending is taken into consideration
We just settled for 11, whereas we could have aimed for atleast a few more

Hopefully In the future C295 can be our workhorse