Surgical strikes inside Pak. Possibility?

[A chauhan]

What are terror camps and how much cost it takes to build such camps ? I guess not much, so if you want to destroy those camps to just end CBT then it's a no answer since they will recreate the camps.

Those camps should be destroyed so that Pakistan could be taught a lesson before international community against CBT.

BTW 4th vote option is what we are doing for decades !!

 

[Mad Indian]

in case of any escalation, both Indian and porki economy could face serious decline in FDI and International boycott which obviously would hurt us more.

Dude, no one gives a damn about what we do to pakis. China has been oppressing Tibet and Xinjian for the past 50 years. has it stopped FDI into China? No. Business is business. Only $$$ speak. So stop this == with Pak saying that our economy will go down. It wont, so long us we dont burn ourselves down by electing CONs/AAP

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

Dude, no one gives a damn about what we do to pakis. China has been oppressing Tibet and Xinjian for the past 50 years. has it stopped FDI into China? No. Business is business. Only $$$ speak. So stop this == with Pak saying that our economy will go down. It wont, so long us we dont burn ourselves down by electing CONs/AAP

And all these guys are crying over economy when trade is a very small part of Indian economy unlike China which is largely dependent on trade and can be screwed big time.

 

[Indibomber]

Use the Proxy, intensify the azadi moments in Sindh, BLA and POK. Provoke porkies to attack India like 1971.

 

[LalTopi]

Fans of covert only operations fail to realise that this is not a valid option against a major terrorist attack. Covert operations is a long term strategy with a long term payoff of balkanisation/instability, it has no effect on single terrorist incidents. Look at the perpetrators of the previous Mumbai incidents, they are still roaming freely in Pakistan.

Also as @Sakal Gharelu Ustad has already pointed out, covert operations does not preclude overt operations. Nobody is arguing against covert operations, we are all for this option, but as a background longer term strategy.

Given that covert operations have no effect on single terrorist incidents, what Fans of covert only operations are really proposing is that they will do nothing at all in response to single terrorist incidents, but will grin and bear it.

Fortunately I get the feeling that the new Modi regime is taking more overt action, what with the Artilery strikebacks on the borders, and the purchase of the Isreali combat drones. We can sit back now and enjoy the show as it unfolds.

 

[sorcerer]

Many of the above post before mine now, have made great points .... in the face of another major terrorist attach on india, in india , we have basically 4 alternatives :- (a) as in the past talk tough but in the end do nothing ....which isi-packland has gotten used to by now, which is why they keep at it (b) overt action like israel and (c) covert action (d) combination of these ...

I basically would go along with those who prefer covert action , but not for the same reasons that member @aliyah has stated in the quote ....not "because india is unable" ( or words to that effect ) .

Even if india was "as strong as China" i would still prefer covert action because....(a) we can play the same hypocritical game the west and others are playing ....we can show them 2 can play the same game .. (b) for obvious reasons we are protected name wise (c) just as we see prcchina being dislike by almost all asean countries we can avoid any possibility of that happening to us and more importantly (d) we will have organizations or people whom we can use repeatedly INSIDE their systems , which we would not have if we did a military style open attack or even surgical strike.....

Its a stratagem used even before the new world order came into existance. With pakistan every other nation will understand the crisis India is facing and India has every right to protect its interest from the scum nation called pakistan.

India now has a pro active leadership which is giving the paki establishment the hibijibees. India should reactivate all the deep assets inside pakistan to create an asymmetry which can be used as and when of India's choosing.

pakistani pansies has overtly acknowledged the congress pansies to be governing in India for resuming "NORMALCY". This exposes the paki inability to arm-twist the current BJP Govt in power and getaway with it.

Well...India is on the right track...every reaction from pak says that.
We have to resume Covert ops inside pakistan, this saves our precious reserves and help avoid costly wars.

 

[rockey 71]

How prepared is India to absorb Pakistan's inevitable response, is a question that needs to be considered before rushing to the surgical ops option.

 

[bose]

How prepared is India to absorb Pakistan's inevitable response, is a question that needs to be considered before rushing to the surgical ops option.

Whenever India decides to carry out surgical strikes inside Pakistan ... probable Pakistanis response will be definitely be factored in / out...

If Pakistan continues to use terrorists as one of their instruments to engage India the very reason for such surgical attacks will be live and kicking...

BTW there are another type of surgical strikes ... those are carried out by non state actors as defined by Pakistanis themselves...

 

[A chauhan]

How prepared is India to absorb Pakistan's inevitable response, is a question that needs to be considered before rushing to the surgical ops option.

We are talking about surgical strikes which itself proves that we are prepared !

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

We are talking about surgical strikes which itself proves that we are prepared !

@rockey 71 - you are talking like a Paki proves India is prepared!!

 

[rockey 71]

@rockey 71 - you are talking like a Paki proves India is prepared!!

You say India is prepared but with the sate of eqpt we have discussed in this Forum itself, I wouldn't say India is prepared. And te other thing is, is she willing? That is, is their a Political Will to carry out a surgical strike?

 

[Sakal Gharelu Ustad]

You say India is prepared but with the sate of eqpt we have discussed in this Forum itself, I wouldn't say India is prepared. And te other thing is, is she willing? That is, is their a Political Will to carry out a surgical strike?

When compared to Pak, it is more prepared than needed in terms of tactics and weapons. But probably political will is missing.

 

[Nicky G]

How prepared is India to absorb Pakistan's inevitable response, is a question that needs to be considered before rushing to the surgical ops option.

You should actually be more worried about Paki's ability to respond considering that they don't even seem to be capable of successfully carrying out their zarb-e-nonsense given the recent attack on their air base/camp among the numerous ones that regularly take place across Pakland.

 

[rockey 71]

You should actually be more worried about Paki's ability to respond considering that they don't even seem to be capable of successfully carrying out their zarb-e-nonsense given the recent attack on their air base/camp among the numerous ones that regularly take place across Pakland.

1.On the other hand I would feel a conflict with India - of any magnitude, would instantly unite all shades of Pakistanis. Even the tribesmen and Afghans would loose no time in coming to Pakistan's aid. And it must not be forgotten that Pakistan enjoys immense support in the Muslim world. In the past conflicts eqpt flowed in from Turkey, Jordan, Iran, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Funds is additional.
2. SA needs amity between India and Pakistan so that there is peace and prosperity.

 

[Srinivas_K]

1.On the other hand I would feel a conflict with India - of any magnitude, would instantly unite all shades of Pakistanis. Even the tribesmen and Afghans would loose no time in coming to Pakistan's aid. And it must not be forgotten that Pakistan enjoys immense support in the Muslim world. In the past conflicts eqpt flowed in from Turkey, Jordan, Iran, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Funds is additional.
2. SA needs amity between India and Pakistan so that there is peace and prosperity.

At what cost?
Pakistan is been waging proxy war and when it is exposed it will do rona in front of world


Border violations to cover the infiltrations.

Martyring of Brave police officers using terror proxies.

India is Spending 1000 of crores of tax payer money to kill the terror rats in Kashmir.

Pakistan is at war with India for decades and it is India that is showing patience all these years. You should be telling these words to Pakistanis.

 

[LordOfTheUnderworlds]

I don't think these options can be executed in isolation. Option 1&2 need to go hand in hand simultaneously. At the same time mobilization of forces started (+ naval block).

Further movement will depend on whether Pakistan decides to escalate or surrender and whether Indian establishment has clear strategy and will for medium to long term occupation/administration of Pakistani heartland and political reorganization of what is currently known as Islamic state of Pakistan.

In any case India should be ready to accept whatever the consequences of potential escalation, and not be deterred by it.

 

[Nicky G]

1.On the other hand I would feel a conflict with India - of any magnitude, would instantly unite all shades of Pakistanis. Even the tribesmen and Afghans would loose no time in coming to Pakistan's aid. And it must not be forgotten that Pakistan enjoys immense support in the Muslim world. In the past conflicts eqpt flowed in from Turkey, Jordan, Iran, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. Funds is additional.
2. SA needs amity between India and Pakistan so that there is peace and prosperity.

Their unity with terror outfits and funds from islamic countries is inconsequential. The conventional disparity is greater than it ever has been and considering none of this made any difference when Pakis lost all wars, it is not going to matter much now.

There is no amity possible as long as Pak exists in its current form, balkanization of the terror hub Pakland is the only permanent solution.

We are prosperous even with pak descending into chaos due to its own terrorist tendencies. We'll continue to be prosperous even with a war, short term hiccups notwithstanding.

 

[rockey 71]

Their unity with terror outfits and funds from islamic countries is inconsequential. The conventional disparity is greater than it ever has been and considering none of this made any difference when Pakis lost all wars, it is not going to matter much now.

There is no amity possible as long as Pak exists in its current form, balkanization of the terror hub Pakland is the only permanent solution.

We are prosperous even with pak descending into chaos due to its own terrorist tendencies. We'll continue to be prosperous even with a war, short term hiccups notwithstanding.

1.In 1962 when PLA entered into NE, Ayub had publicly offered a joint defense pact. Nehru had rejected this sincere move summarily. Again at Agra Musharraf and Bajpai had initialed a draft agreement to be formally signed next morning. Hawks in Indian establishment scrapped this causing an irritated Musharraf to leave without saying goodbye. Therefore, it is not correct to blame Pakistanis for the deteriorating Indo-Pak relations.
2. When India herself bleeds under insurgencies it is silly to talk about balkanizing others. Instead India must take the lead to establish peace and friendship in the region.

 

[Srinivas_K]

1.In 1962 when PLA entered into NE, Ayub had publicly offered a joint defense pact. Nehru had rejected this sincere move summarily. Again at Agra Musharraf and Bajpai had initialed a draft agreement to be formally signed next morning. Hawks in Indian establishment scrapped this causing an irritated Musharraf to leave without saying goodbye. Therefore, it is not correct to blame Pakistanis for the deteriorating Indo-Pak relations.
2. When India herself bleeds under insurgencies it is silly to talk about balkanizing others. Instead India must take the lead to establish peace and friendship in the region.

Pakistan is unpredictable The same Ayub khan initiated operation Gibraltar 3 years later.
When it comes to Kashmir issue, keeping the issue burning will help Pakistan.

Regarding peace in this region, SAARC is been hijacked and made a non functional organization by Pakistan.

 

[bose]

1.In 1962 when PLA entered into NE, Ayub had publicly offered a joint defense pact. Nehru had rejected this sincere move summarily. Again at Agra Musharraf and Bajpai had initialed a draft agreement to be formally signed next morning. Hawks in Indian establishment scrapped this causing an irritated Musharraf to leave without saying goodbye. Therefore, it is not correct to blame Pakistanis for the deteriorating Indo-Pak relations.
2. When India herself bleeds under insurgencies it is silly to talk about balkanizing others. Instead India must take the lead to establish peace and friendship in the region.

Nehru sent Sk Abdullah to Pakistan in 63 so that there can be a amicable solution Kashmir ... The Pakistani authorities immediately arrested the POK Kashmiri leader Qayuum [ I may be forgetting his name] thus a opportunity lost... Then came the 65 war started by Pakistan to take force fully which they failed miserably...

The same Pakistan came and occupied the un attended Kargil heights when Vajpayee made a historic bus journey to Pakistan for peace...

Pakistan has zero credibility in the eyes of Indians...

Did not India resolved boundary issue with Bangladesh to her satisfaction ? India has issue with Pakistan only ...