Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[chetan_chpd]

guys...this is exclusively a thread for IAF SU-30 MKI...
can you please create a new thread for such in depth knowledge?

 

[MiG-29SMT]

guys...this is exclusively a thread for IAF SU-30 MKI...
can you please create a new thread for such in depth knowledge?

sorry i will stop

 

[lixun]

guys...this is exclusively a thread for IAF SU-30 MKI...
can you please create a new thread for such in depth knowledge?

This is related to su30mki. Except for su35, all su27 series have transonic traps.

 

[lixun]

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you are just fantazing.

As speed increases in a turn just by the formula F=MA you will see all modern aircraft drop their turn rates, why? G overload will go up, A human can not stand such forces Air to air missiles can

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So most aircraft have trouble turning at higher speeds

, I seem to be back in middle school. After that, F16 is 9G at 0.8-1.2 Mach overload, and F15 is 8G.

 

[Haldilal]

This is related to su30mki. Except for su35, all su27 series have transonic traps.

Ya'll Nibbiars we are seeing more of the SU 27, SU 30 MKK, SU 35, J 11 rather than the SU 30 MKI in your discussions that why many memebers said about that.

 

[lixun]

Ya'll Nibbiars we are seeing more of the SU 27, SU 30 MKK, SU 35, J 11 rather than the SU 30 MKI in your discussions that why many memebers said about that.

Ok, over

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Ya'll Nibbiars we are seeing more of the SU 27, SU 30 MKK, SU 35, J 11 rather than the SU 30 MKI in your discussions that why many memebers said about that.

I think the question was if Su-30MKI will be upgraded, should it take the path of Su-30MS, which will be upgraded with Su-35 technology.

Some members said let us fit it with Indian hardware, and some claimed J-10 is a great threat to Su-30MKI.

In terms of Radar I am sure Su-30MKI has advantages over early J-10As, however latest variants might be able to erode this advantage if Su-30MKI does not have an upgrade in radar.


In my opinion as Russia is doing you just need to change the engine from Russia and add avionics and radar from India.

J-11s/Su-27SM, J-15/Su-33 clearly have inferior airframes to Su-30MKI.

even J-16 has an inferior airframe.

Su-30MKI in my personal opinion should follow a Su-30MS, making it like Su-35S is not possible or practical I mean delete the canards and second cockpit.

Su-30MKi should use 117s engines

 

[Tang]

I think the question was if Su-30MKI will be upgraded, should it take the path of Su-30MS, which will be upgraded with Su-35 technology.

Some members said let us fit it with Indian hardware, and some claimed J-10 is a great threat to Su-30MKI.

In terms of Radar I am sure Su-30MKI has advantages over early J-10As, however latest variants might be able to erode this advantage if Su-30MKI does not have an upgrade in radar.


In my opinion as Russia is doing you just need to change the engine from Russia and add avionics and radar from India.

J-11s/Su-27SM, J-15/Su-33 clearly have inferior airframes to Su-30MKI.

even J-16 has an inferior airframe.

Su-30MKI in my personal opinion should follow a Su-30MS, making it like Su-35S is not possible or practical I mean delete the canards and second cockpit.

Su-30MKi should use 117s engines

Good summary,

But I think only radar and avionics upgrade will happen. We will upgrade Su30MKI engine, if and only if, we have a substitute Indian engine.

Further very limited airframe upgrade could happen.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The Russian Defense Ministry gave the green light to the Su-30SM upgrade program, an aircraft that has been deployed in large numbers in the Air Force and Naval Aviation, to bring it to the SM2 version or as the Russian press calls it, Super Sukhoi.

As published by Izvestia, the modernization of the first prototype will begin in December this year, and by the same date next year, that first Su-30SM2 should be finishing the testing and certification campaign. With the update, aircraft will receive new engines, radars and smart weapons.


At the same time as successive batches of Su-30SM are upgraded to the new version, the Ministry of Defense will receive factory-new Sukhoi Su-30SM2s. Perhaps it is the 21 new Su-30SM2 fighters, contracted last year by the Ministry of Defense for Naval Aviation.

Originally, the Su-30SM is the «Russified» version of the Sukhoi Su-30MKI developed for India, in which equipment of foreign origin is replaced by other of Russian origin. During these last years, the effort to modernize the Air Force and Naval Air Force focused on the incorporation of the Su-30SM to replace already obsolete aircraft, such as the Su-27 or Su-24.

The series aircraft began to be delivered in 2013, and it is the only fighter model that Russia has been buying in fairly consistent numbers. Currently, there are around 130 units of this model in operation, hence the importance of its modernization.

Belarusian Su-30SM.The Su-30SM also ended up becoming the de facto standard for arming Russia’s closest allies. The planes were purchased by Kazakhstan, Belarus and Armenia. At the MAKS 2021 show, Rostec confirmed that it will go ahead with the plans to acquire 6 Su-30SMs by Myanmar, despite the coup that disrupted political power in the Asian country.

The Super Sukhoi Su-30SM2
The upgraded version of the Su-30SM will not only have improved combat features but will also use various parts and equipment from the Su-35. As a result, the maintenance of a large fleet of both types of modern fighters will be simplified. This is especially important in relation to engines, the most expensive aircraft components.

The Su-30SM2 will receive the AL-41F-1S engine, which is also used in the Su-35S. Compared to the power plant used so far in the Su-30SM, its thrust will increase by more than 16%, to 14,500 kg at full post-combustion. In addition, it reduces the cost of maintenance, by doubling the interval between revisions, now reaching 4 thousand hours. Other improvements and plasma ignition made it more efficient, reducing its fuel consumption.

Su-30SM2
Changes to onboard electronics and software will allow the use of new missiles and bombs designed to arm the Su-35 and the fifth-generation Su-57 stealth fighter.

Other improvements include a new radar, the Irbis-E, a powerful PESA-type radar also inherited from the Su-35. It will allow the Su-30SM2 to detect ground and air targets from a greater distance, with certain anti-stealth capabilities. It will also allow the fighter to use the latest long-range missiles.

The Su-30SM2s will receive the latest integrated multi-channel communication, data exchange, navigation, and identification (OSNOD) system, developed for the Su-57 and to be installed on all combat aircraft. Among its advantages, it allows aircraft and drones to communicate with each other, maintain high-speed contact with ground control points, and integrate into modern combat networks.

Russia will upgrade its Su-30SM to the “Super-Sukhoi” standard

The Russian Defense Ministry gave the green light to the Su-30SM upgrade program, an aircraft that has been deployed in large numbers in the Air Force and Naval

www.aviacionline.com

 

[MiG-29SMT]

Good summary,

But I think only radar and avionics upgrade will happen. We will upgrade Su30MKI engine, if and only if, we have a substitute Indian engine.

Further very limited airframe upgrade could happen.

come on do not lie to your sel AL-41/117 is one of the top 5 engines now. you have not such engine and it is unlikely you have in the next 5 years, even decade.

 

[Tang]

come on do not lie to your sel AL-41/117 is one of the top 5 engines now. you have not such engine and it is unlikely you have in the next 5 years, even decade.

I am not lying, even not saying that we will have an AL-41 type engine in a 5 years term.

IAF got tasted blood in terms of modern western engines(F404), it will not settle for any less in terms of maintainability and robustness.

Further Russians were asking for an exorbitant fee for AL41, which India will not pay. India would not fund Russian R&D as it does in the 90s.


Indian Super Sukhoi upgrade will be better than Russian one due to better avionics upgrade.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

I am not lying, even not saying that we will have an AL-41 type engine in a 5 years term.

IAF got tasted blood in terms of modern western engines(F404), it will not settle for any less in terms of maintainability and robustness.

Further Russians were asking for an exorbitant fee for AL41, which India will not pay. India would not fund Russian R&D as it does in the 90s.


Indian Super Sukhoi upgrade will be better than Russian one due to better avionics upgrade.

time will tell, but I doubt it, many technologies remain hidden and not transfered, and modern engines take at least 10 years to mature, good luck in your endevours as a nation.

 

[lixun]

I am not lying, even not saying that we will have an AL-41 type engine in a 5 years term.

IAF got tasted blood in terms of modern western engines(F404), it will not settle for any less in terms of maintainability and robustness.

Further Russians were asking for an exorbitant fee for AL41, which India will not pay. India would not fund Russian R&D as it does in the 90s.


Indian Super Sukhoi upgrade will be better than Russian one due to better avionics upgrade.

In fact, , India lacks a true air superiority fighter. In the final analysis, the su30mki is a fighter-bomber similar to the F15E. For Russia, 100 su35 can guarantee air superiority. What about India? 240 su30mki, The Indian Air Force’s construction is too random. Even the U.S. Air Force maintains a considerable number of F15C.

 

[lixun]

J-11s/Su-27SM, J-15/Su-33 clearly have inferior airframes to Su-30MKI.

even J-16 has an inferior airframe.

What is the evidence

 

[Tang]

In fact, , India lacks a true air superiority fighter. In the final analysis, the su30mki is a fighter-bomber similar to the F15E. For Russia, 100 su35 can guarantee air superiority. What about India? 240 su30mki, The Indian Air Force’s construction is too random. Even the U.S. Air Force maintains a considerable number of F15C.

If you think Su30MKI is a fighter bomber jet.

You are just showing how stupid you are on the internet.

 

[lixun]

If you think Su30MKI is a fighter bomber jet.

You are just showing how stupid you are on the internet.

Tell me why SU30MKI uses two-seater,

 

[mist_consecutive]

@lixun rather throwing one-liners and baseless statements, how about you explain why you think Su-30MKI is NOT an air superiority fighter?

What are the requirements of an air superiority fighter according to you ?

 

[MiG-29SMT]

What is the evidence

In the Flanker family the best variant is Su-35, later Su-30MKI/Su-30MS, and later latest upgrades of Su-27s or early SU-30s and its Chinese clones, the less capable variant is Su-33/J-15 and last Su-34

 

[MiG-29SMT]

The naval aviation of the Russian Navy will receive the latest Su-30SM2 fighters by the end of 2022. All fighters will undergo special naval revision.

The Russian Ministry of Defense has decided to supply naval aviation with the latest Su-30SM2 fighters. At present, the military department, as Izvestia explains, is resolving the issue of the distribution of aircraft among the fleets. According to available data, the Northern, Black Sea and Baltic fleets are claiming the fighters first of all, but how the distribution will proceed is still unknown.

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced the conclusion of a contract for 21 Su-30SM2 fighters last year. The Su-30SM2 fighter is maximally unified with the Su-35. It received an AL-41F-1S engine and an Irbis radar, improved avionics, electronics, and expanded the arsenal of weapons.

Initially, it was only about avionics and weapons, the aircraft upgraded in this way received the Su-30SM1 index. In the future, it was decided to install the AL-41F-1C engine and the Irbis radar on the fighter. This option, coupled with the previously made changes in armament and avionics, was named the Su-30SM2. The Ministry of Defense plans to upgrade the entire Su-30SM fleet to this level.

The Su-30SM fighter has been serially supplied to the troops since 2013. The aircraft is armed with an extensive arsenal of precision weapons and bombs.

A source:
https://topwar.ru/182272-morskaja-aviac ... 30sm2.html

 

[lixun]

@lixun rather throwing one-liners and baseless statements, how about you explain why you think Su-30MKI is NOT an air superiority fighter?

What are the requirements of an air superiority fighter according to you ?

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, su27 had two models, su27PU and su27UB,
In 1987, the Su-27PU, developed as a long-range interceptor of the Homeland Defense Air Force, flew 13,440 kilometers without landing with the assistance of the Su-24M and Il-78's 4 air refueling, and the flight time was up to 15 hours and 42 minutes.
This flight is mainly to test the extreme flight performance of the Su-27PU as a new generation of long-range fighter-interceptor of the Homeland Defense Air Force when performing long-range interception missions. At that time, the Soviet aviation industry was considering installing a new generation of multifunctional radar and R33 long-range air-to-air for the Su-27PU.
J16 is currently equipped with WS10B afterburner thrust of 13.9 tons, equipped with AESA radar and laser/infrared pods with more than 1,800 TR units. Overall, it is the last product of KnAAPO's Su-27PU-Su 30MKK line.

Su 30SM is a project that initially tried to borrow money from China for research and development. But at that time, it was rejected by China on the grounds that the NO11M radar was immature and other flight performance was not substantially improved. Sukhoi and IAPO turned to India again. They first delivered a batch of Su 30K with the Su 27UB standard to lure Indians into the bait, and repeatedly threatened Indians that they would sell the research and development results to China. as a threat to successfully get India to spend money to complete all the development work of su30MKI.



.In the end, the Su-30SM served as a multi-role fighter, not an air superiority fighter, and announced that it would upgrade the AESA radar and the AL-41-F1S engine adapted to the Su 35S. The upgraded model was named Su 30SM2. After completing this upgrade, Su The 30SM series can really say that it has reached the current level of J16.

The Su-30SM is the product of the Russian front-line aviation merging various aircraft, while the Su 35S is the final symbol of the front-line aviation/land defense air force merger. The J16 is obviously more similar to su35 than su30MKI.