Steel magnate Sajjan Jindal meets Sharif, sparks speculation of Indo-Pak talks

[mayfair]

Statecraft, because he had business relations with Sharif. So what ever he says its not official.

Oh I agree. But I would be unsure about the secrecy and surety of the operation should someone like Jindal is involved.

Plus any message to be sent via Jindal will reach Congress high command (and therefore, all in Pakistan) way before it does NS.

 

[abingdonboy]

Everyday they kill our army Jawans and we do talk of "SURGICAL STRIKES ARE HERE TO STAY"

and here

Again PAPPI-JHAPPI time.

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Yeah man, no wonder the Pakis laugh at India and call Indians names (weak, impotent etc).


So the self-defeating inconsistent Pak policy of the GoI continues.

 

[abingdonboy]

Talks MUST happen for the optics -

Utter BS response, this news in particular is about a BACKCHANNEL the exact OPPOSITE of talks for the optics, Jindal has gone to Pakistan because the GoI sent him.

If what you were saying were true the GoI would have made a big show about this, instead they are silent on the matter and still talking like tough guys.

 

[abingdonboy]

Can someone please explain exactly how people believe this situation can be solved through 'dialogues' and 'talks'? This is well beyond the realm of being naive and into the grounds of comedy.

It can't be but this GoI, like all before it, are naive enough to think it can be.

The pacifist and passive nature of the Indian poltical class/establishment is clearly too much to overcome, or maybe Modi is all talk himself.

 

[abingdonboy]

Modi as a man is turning out to be very impulsive and I am convinced now beyond a shadow of doubt that he and Doval have turned out to be a disaster. After last year's surgical strikes, there should have been more strikes when militants had gathered, better camp protection and stronger offense and defense response . I mean is it so complicated to protect important camps. We barely managed to hold off this attack in Kupwara by barely 3 people. Compare that with how Americans have handled their base security in Afghanistan . Instead Modi is back to his usual business because of mass protests orchestrated by ISI. Also military top brass (above colonel level) is now beyond redemption and only serious purge will solve this crisis. Sending Sajan Jindal who is nothing more than a dalal to negotiate with pakistan will be a titanic mistake. The Indian mind sadly has rarely thought strategically. God forgive Indians for selecting such a jumlebaaz and his foolish ilk. They all ought to be in gowshalas not making policies which is not their forte.

It's clear now the rather trivial "surgical strikes" were a PR move and Modi/BJP will ride of its (very limited) success for the next 2 years and point to it anytime they are challenged about being soft on Pakistan.

 

[mayfair]

Compare that with how Americans have handled their base security in Afghanistan.

Oh yes, 3,424 casualties since late 2001 is a fine indicator of security. What is the American response? Instead of going after the Taliabn, they pay off the Bakis so that Taliban go after Afghan forces and police instead. Jiziya if you will. What a fine strategy. So not only have Amreekis lost thousands of well-equipped and "well protected" soldiers and contractors, but also ended up paying the Bakis $33 billion for it.

God forgive Indians for selecting such a jumlebaaz and his foolish ilk. They all ought to be in gowshalas not making policies which is not their forte.

Oh yes, only the leaders fit to make policies were Nehru- who lost Kashmir, who lost to China and if he had his way we would have lost Hyderabad and Goa as well. IG, who scuttled away battlefield gains to Bhutto and of course Rajiv who send 1200 jawans of ours to their deaths fighting terrorists whom we had trained and MMS of Sharm-el-Sheikh.

A purge in the army? Why not start a purge in Khaangress first?

 

[Tarun Kumar]

There is no comparison between afghanistan and kashmir. Firstly Afghan land area, population and its border with Pakistan is atleast 4-5 times bigger than kashmir and Americans only had 100000 troops at very peak fighting far away from homeland. Second Very few casualties were due to attack on bases . Most casualties were due to landmines and Ambushes in areas like Helmand where there is no security in the first place. Contrast this with our case where we loose very few troops to encounters and ambushes and loose many more to attacks on bases . Is there any excuse to soldiers sleeping in tents so close to LOC and the Uri base commander has not been sacked. Our soldiers without doubt are best in the world but senior officer corps (above colonel level) is a total failure. We need much better leadership at the top in all branches of government which we dont have.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Also Americans due to supply constraints cannot attack Pakistan without its explicit permission. We have no such constraints. Nobody can stop us from hitting across LOC if we want to.

 

[Butter Chicken]

Also Americans due to supply constraints cannot attack Pakistan without its explicit permission. We have no such constraints. Nobody can stop us from hitting across LOC if we want to.

but but nukes......................

 

[Tarun Kumar]

Bollocks nukes. India is a thermonuclear power and nukes come into picture if we launch airstrikes and go deep into Pakistan.Fighting along LOC has been a common feature for decades.

 

[Yggdrasil]

Our soldiers without doubt are best in the world but senior officer corps (above colonel level) is a total failure. We need much better leadership at the top in all branches of government which we dont have.

Better leadership in top branches of government - yes. I support the BJP generally (well look at the other choices - might as well sell the country to US or Porkistan if we get AAP, INC, NCP, JDU, TMC etc etc in power) but I will readily admit that Rajnath is a dumb buffoon, Jaitley knows nothing about finance, etc etc.

But this is very different from saying that our Generals are failures. We've had some of the finest in history - the problem is political will, which our mentally deficient spineless politicians have never had.

 

[Tarun Kumar]

I am sorry, no political will is required for better base security.

 

[Bornubus]

It's clear now the rather trivial "surgical strikes" were a PR move and Modi/BJP will ride of its (very limited) success for the next 2 years and point to it anytime they are challenged about being soft on Pakistan.

Lamo as if Indian forces crossed the LoC very first time. As for using surgical strike as PR move

 

[ezsasa]

Lamo as if Indian forces crossed the LoC very first time. As for using surgical strike as PR move


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Bechare BJP wale !!!!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.....

On a lighter note, may be that's why Parrikar gave up as RM, he realised no matter what you do, haters gonna hate...

I repeat , on a lighter note...

 

[Ancient Indian]

Bechare BJP wale !!!!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.....

On a lighter note, may be that's why Parrikar gave up as RM, he realised no matter what you do, haters gonna hate...

I repeat , on a lighter note...

What's wrong in taking credit for surgical strike?

Politically illiterate posters seem to mix emotions with every thing. No wonder congress screwed us big time.

 

[Bornubus]

^ And this same stinking piece of putrid filth was branding the brother of CRPF Marty as coward because he dare the raised questions to Takla but later romoved his comment. Politically enlightened much !!


But then again now a days so many paid sycophantic suck ups active now days.

 

[Bornubus]

Bechare BJP wale !!!!


On a lighter note, may be that's why Parrikar gave up as RM,

Nobody gives a flying fuck about Parrikar . If you want to cry over his quitting Defense ministry then go ahead.

 

[singhboy98]

Utter BS response, this news in particular is about a BACKCHANNEL the exact OPPOSITE of talks for the optics, Jindal has gone to Pakistan because the GoI sent him.

If what you were saying were true the GoI would have made a big show about this, instead they are silent on the matter and still talking like tough guys.

Listen, you don't know why Jindal went to meet Sharif. You do not know what Jindal told Sharif. So, on what basis are you making such grand assumptions ? You don't know what Doval is upto. If you did, then Doval would not have deserved to be the NSA. You can only analyse what the government is doing,not draw specific conclusions because you do not have even 1 % of the intelligence that the decision makers have. And let's be frank here, if any of us had much of a talent as analysts, we would not be on DFI but doing some actual work out there. So sit back and let the actual men do the work because either way, we cannot do anything. However, I can tell you one thing for sure, anyone who doubts the capabilities and intentions of the present dispensation in New Delhi is not thinking clearly.

 

[Ancient Indian]

^ And this same stinking piece of putrid filth was branding the brother of CRPF Marty as coward because he dare the raised questions to Takla but later romoved his comment. Politically enlightened much !!


But then again now a days so many paid sycophantic suck ups active now days.

Afraid of quoting me directly?

So being brother to martyr makes you entitled to all people respect.

 

[ezsasa]

What's wrong in taking credit for surgical strike?

Politically illiterate posters seem to mix emotions with every thing. No wonder congress screwed us big time.

I have no opinion on that point, but messaging could have been better from political spokespersons. I felt at that time that the spokespersons got their brief only after a day or two. Since army and government officially refrained from talking about the incident other than DGMO statement, it was left to political spokespersons to give the right message.

But for whatever reason, members here at DFI who seem to be directly or indirectly associated with security forces seem to have permanent dislike for BJP.

Whether the dislike is restricted to BJP or all political parties or the government itself, i donno.

Sometimes I worry whether there are more such negative undercurrents within the security forces. I would be even more worried if this negativity is based on genuine reasons, if that's the case government is consistently failing to meet the expectations of our security forces.