Small arms of India

[Hari Sud]

Sad to see the kind of uniforms and the vintage quality of shoes they have been given. Looks like some banana republic paramilitary unit.

These are police forces not the mountain troops requiring high end boots. Even troops in Punjab and Rajasthan have similar light boots made of high end leather.

Are you selling some boots hence chasing the boots of police and military personnel. Your next will be clothing and so on........

 

[mohitbhagat]

These are police forces not the mountain troops requiring high end boots. Even troops in Punjab and Rajasthan have similar light boots made of high end leather.

Are you selling some boots hence chasing the boots of police and military personnel. Your next will be clothing and so on........

ITBP operates on LAC and going by the infrastructure and long patrol taken by these men. They deserve much better clothing and specially shoes

 

[Chinmoy]

These are police forces not the mountain troops requiring high end boots. Even troops in Punjab and Rajasthan have similar light boots made of high end leather.

Are you selling some boots hence chasing the boots of police and military personnel. Your next will be clothing and so on........

@Vishal Chandorkar They are participating in a parade. You can't expect them to don the battle fatigue every where and every ocassion. They do have their own battle fatigue when deployed along LAC or in their respective headquarter.

 

[Vishal Chandorkar]

These are police forces not the mountain troops requiring high end boots. Even troops in Punjab and Rajasthan have similar light boots made of high end leather.

Are you selling some boots hence chasing the boots of police and military personnel. Your next will be clothing and so on........

Do u know where the ITBP is deployed? Just because the name has the term ‘ police’ doesn’t mean they do normal policing work in the bylanes of our cities. They are deployed on the inhospitable terrain of our border with China. Makes me laugh when you say ‘these are police forces and not mountain troops’. Height of ignorance. Jokes apart, be it the ITBP, or any other paramilitary force, or even the army, navy or airforce; they should be provided good equipment and clothing, commensurate with the terrain they are deployed into, and the nature of their tasks

 

[mohitbhagat]

Let us hold hands a say a prayer for this rifle, which could've been a killer.

Only if they would have not stopped developing it. With more upgrades with better quality, furniture and ergonomics. It could have been a perfect weapon for police and paramilitaries forces involved in maintaining law and order. Giving Ak's to everyone is simply stupid. Even the Russians don't give their police and troops involved in law and order something chambered in 7.62 but a version chambered in 5.45 mm caliber

 

[mohitbhagat]

These are police forces not the mountain troops requiring high end boots. Even troops in Punjab and Rajasthan have similar light boots made of high end leather.

Are you selling some boots hence chasing the boots of police and military personnel. Your next will be clothing and so on........

Calling ITBP a amongst a mere police forces is an insult to them. They operate in the most challenging conditions and in subzero conditions throughout the year. And their boots and clothes are the most important thing for them. Even more important than their weapons.

 

[sayareakd]

Only if they would have not stopped developing it. With more upgrades with better quality, furniture and ergonomics. It could have been a perfect weapon for police and paramilitaries forces involved in maintaining law and order. Giving Ak's to everyone is simply stupid. Even the Russians don't give their police and troops involved in law and order something chambered in 7.62 but a version chambered in 5.45 mm caliber

In law and order for terrorist effected area, full auto with 7.62 is the requirement, as terrorist is ready to die and good terrorist is dead terrorist. For war fighting 5.56 is need with three bust shooting mode, for logistic issues.

 

[rkhanna]

In law and order for terrorist effected area, full auto with 7.62 is the requirement, as terrorist is ready to die and good terrorist is dead terrorist. For war fighting 5.56 is need with three bust shooting mode, for logistic issues.

Whats wrong with 556 in full auto?

 

[Yodha]

Yes it's an Excalibur as the gas port is slant and nor straight as found in semi-automatic INSAS. This slant is for better handling during full auto firing.

Lol. It's not for better firing. It's only for facilitating full auto fire. Insas Excalibur has it's three round burst unit replaced with an auto control unit. Which you don't find in the army version. Army version has a variable gas port which Excalibur doesn't have making it not suitable to fire a rifle grenade.

Suits regular police who are trigger happy in a critical situation.

 

[Yodha]

Whats wrong with 556 in full auto?

Punch and the kill effect. 5.56 doesn't just have it. Indian made subsonic ammunition can't kill a person. 7.62 makes it "dead" easy to kill one in close quarters. It's generally supersonic ammunition.

 

[binayak95]

Punch and the kill effect. 5.56 doesn't just have it. Indian made subsonic ammunition can't kill a person. 7.62 makes it "dead" easy to kill one in close quarters. It's generally supersonic ammunition.

Indian 5.56 x 45 ammo is hotter than standard NATO 5.56 x 45.

Three Round Burst is just plain stupid. Its the army trying to effect trigger discipline without actually training the boys to have finger discipline. Mechanical control that just makes everything all the more complicated.

5.56 doesnt knock a man down - true - but it is still effective for SF and CQB. Remember, the Russians themselves prefer 5.45x39.

 

[rkhanna]

Punch and the kill effect. 5.56 doesn't just have it. Indian made subsonic ammunition can't kill a person. 7.62 makes it "dead" easy to kill one in close quarters. It's generally supersonic ammunition.

That is inherently false. The 556 and the 762/39 have similar ballistic dynamics all the way out to 500m

 

[Yodha]

That is inherently false. The 556 and the 762/39 have similar ballistic dynamics all the way out to 500m

Unfortunately no.

Although the 762/39 is 1/10 inch wide than a 556 it matters much during the flight and penetrating a target.

Internal ballistics of both are different. 762 holds more powder loads than 556. Although the start shot pressure of 556 is more than the 762, 556 can't maintain the velocity like 762 does.

Intermediate ballistics of 762 and 556 are also of huge difference. 556 tends to creates bigger bottle shock than 762 making it lose on that pressure when exiting the barrel.

556 are lighter and have more velocity but with it's lesser width it can't create a bigger wound than the 762.

 

[mohitbhagat]

In law and order for terrorist effected area, full auto with 7.62 is the requirement, as terrorist is ready to die and good terrorist is dead terrorist. For war fighting 5.56 is need with three bust shooting mode, for logistic issues.

And that's why I said you don't need to give ak47 to everyone. Troops carrying Ak's in J&K makes sense for law and order, but not anywhere else.

 

[mohitbhagat]

In law and order for terrorist effected area, full auto with 7.62 is the requirement, as terrorist is ready to die and good terrorist is dead terrorist. For war fighting 5.56 is need with three bust shooting mode, for logistic issues.

It's better to teach our troops better trigger control/discipline rather than depriving them an option of having full auto fire. Anyways full auto is only used when it comes down to close in fire fights. And its one option every soldier should have.

 

[binayak95]

It's better to teach our troops better trigger control/discipline rather than depriving them an option of having full auto fire. Anyways full auto is only used when it comes down to close in fire fights. And its one option every soldier should have.

Full auto fire is a clutch that comes in handy when you are pressed and need to make the enemy duck into cover. Better served with a SAW, but it's always good to have every infantryman have that option.

 

[sayareakd]

Full auto fire is a clutch that comes in handy when you are pressed and need to make the enemy duck into cover. Better served with a SAW, but it's always good to have every infantryman have that option.

Mini gun is good.........................................

 

[sayareakd]

It's better to teach our troops better trigger control/discipline rather than depriving them an option of having full auto fire. Anyways full auto is only used when it comes down to close in fire fights. And its one option every soldier should have.

Well in high stress environments, like in counter terror operations, soilders tend to fire at any body part of terrorists, when fired with INSAS it does not kill, on non lethal parts, as INSAS is not design to do that. Also INSAS without full auto and non lethal blow on terrorist is not weapon of choice on anti terror operation. Therefore its at outer ring, because of good accuracy at 400 or more meters.

Its understandable that RR want AK47 or Ak series for anti terror operation to kill terrorists.

 

[binayak95]

Mini gun is good.........................................

And useless - gatling guns last 20 secs of full auto fire before jamming up - and are heavy and vehicle served to boot; Negev 7/PKM/Mk48 please. Belt fed lao!

 

[mohitbhagat]

Punch and the kill effect. 5.56 doesn't just have it. Indian made subsonic ammunition can't kill a person. 7.62 makes it "dead" easy to kill one in close quarters. It's generally supersonic ammunition.

Subsonic ammunition Indian made 5.56 are similar to the nato version with muzzle velocity of around 900m/s.
Yes the wound channel is not as big and lethal as the 7.62×39. But it's damn good in penetrating body armours much better than the AK's just because of its much higher velocity. You will need a AP round or hard steel core rounds of AK to penetrate level 3 armor plates.