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Italian Cops Raid Neo-Fascists And Find Air-To-Air Missile That France Had Sold To Qatar

The operation targeted individuals over links to the conflict in Ukraine and also netted various guns and Nazi memorabilia.

BY JOSEPH TREVITHICK
JULY 15, 2019

talian police have seized a French-made Matra Super 530F air-to-air missile in the course of raids to arrest multiple individuals allegedly linked to far-right extremist groups who had provided aid to groups fighting Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine. Authorities also uncovered a large cache of automatic rifles, submachine guns, and other small arms, as well as Nazi paraphernalia, during one of the arrests involving an individual linked to Italy's neo-fascist Forza Nuova political party.

A regional special police force, also known by the Italian acronym DIGOS, in the Northern Italian city of Turin headed up the operation on July 15, 2019, but authorities in the cities of Milan, Varese, Forli, and Novara also took part. Police found the Matra missile, which is reportedly live, in a hangar at Forli airport. Fabio Del Bergiolo, one of three individuals that Italian authorities arrested, was a former customs official and had run for a seat in Italy's Senate as a member of Forza Nuova in 2001. Alessandro Monti, a Swiss national, runs the company that owns the hangar where the missile was located. There do not appear to be any additional details on Fabio Bernardi, another Italian, who was the third individuals swept up in the raids.

Pictures and video that authorities released of the items seized show a wide array of contemporary and more dated European, American, and Eastern European small arms, including AK- and AR-15/M16-type rifles of unknown origins, Austrian and Czech submachine guns, and more. This is "a seizure with few precedents for the quality of the weapons and their violent potential," Turin Police Chief Giuseppe De Matteis said, according to Italian newspaper la Repubblica.

But, by far, the most curious item was the Super 530F. Matra first introduced the medium-range, semi-active radar-seeking Super 530F in 1979 specifically for the Dassault Mirage F1 fighter jet. The missile was an evolution of the short-range R.530, which first entered French service in 1962 and used a mix of infrared and semi-active radar guidance.

The missile's transit case has markings that say it was originally sold to Qatar as part of a contract signed in 1980. It's not clear when Matra manufactured this particular missile or where and how the arrested individuals acquired it.

Bizarre seizure in Italy. Authorities found a vehicle-launched missile with Qatari markings in a cache linked to a right-wing extremist group. The seizure was part of an investigation into assistance provided by the group to Russian-backed militants in Ukraine h/t @anna_alvazzi pic.twitter.com/iITTL13A6X

— Matt Schroeder (@MSchroeder77) July 15, 2019
Qatar bought 14 F1s, along with weapons to go with them, in 1980. The missile reportedly remains in Qatari inventory, along with the Super 530D, though the country's newer Mirage 2000 fighter jets, which it obtained in the 1990s, now primarily carry newer MICA missiles from European missile consortium MBDA.


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Personnel prepare a Qatari Mirage F1 for a mission during the first Gulf War in 1991.

There's no indication that the arrested individuals intended to use the missile in any way. La Repubblica reported that police had been tipped off the weapon after intercepting calls to and from Del Bergiolo about selling it. The group reportedly was offering it for 470,000 Euros – just over $529,100 at the rate of exchange at the time of writing – and that one of the buyers included "a foreign government official."

It's not clear what government entity might be in the market for a single air-to-air missile that is compatible only with a limited number of aircraft. After 40 years and numerous export sales around the world, the Super 530F is likely of diminished intelligence value.

One possibility might be Libya's Government of National Accord (GNA), the internationally recognized government in that country, which operates a very small number of Mirage F1s. The GNA has been in desperate need of weapons and other military equipment to stave off the advances of rogue General Khalifa Haftar, who, along with his Libyan National Army (LNA), is trying to seize control of the country.

In May 2019, the LNA shot down one of the GNA's F1s near Tripoli and captured its pilot, who turned out to be a U.S. Air Force veteran. The details about how Jamie Sponaugle, who had been a maintainer during his service, but earned a private pilots license after leaving the Air Force, came to be an apparent mercenary pilot in Libya remain murky. Haftar's forces released him in June 2019 as part of a deal that Saudi Arabia reportedly helped broker.

Another potential customer might be Iran, which also has a small fleet of Mirage F1s it captured as they fled Iraq during the first Gulf War in 1991. The Iranians have a noted history of acquiring missiles and other weaponry on the black market and then reverse-engineering them for their own use or for export to regional proxies. Iran, as well as its regional allies, have also repurposed locally-built clones of various missiles for new roles, including as land-based surface-to-air weapons, and could potentially do the same to the Super 530F design.

There could be secondary market beyond foreign governments for the missile, including certain specific components, such as its radar seeker. The weapon does also contain a roughly 70-pound high-explosive warhead.

Beyond the missile and the guns, Italian police also put various Nazi paraphernalia on display, including various items that appear to be artifacts from Nazi Germany. Italy's parliament tried to ban fascist symbols, as well as the Roman salute, in 2017, but faced opposition from various political parties, including the populist Five Star Movement (M5S), which is now part of the country's governing coalition.

Some of the arms:

- G3A4, HK trigger packs
- Multiple Steyr AUG A1/A2/A3
- Sa vz. 25/26
- Steyr TMP w/ suppressor
- PM-63 RAK
- vz. 61 Škorpion
- M1 Carbine(s)
- AR15 Variants
- Numerous Handguns, shotguns, bolt-action rifles, Mags, Knives

Isn't even everything- a serious haul. pic.twitter.com/rudWNOuk0Y

— Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ (@CalibreObscura) July 15, 2019
Far-right neo-fascist political parties in Italy are a small, but still notable forcein Italian politics. They have also seen something of a resurgence in recent years, latching onto popular discontent surrounding various issues, particularly immigration and a growing influx of refugees, especially from North Africa and the Middle East.

There have also been concerns about increasing links between Russia and right-wing groups with similar agendas across Europe. Recently, a tape recording emerged of Italy's Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini during a visit to Moscow in 2018 discussing ways to secretly funnel Russian oil money into the coffers of his own right-wing Lega Nord party.

For years already, Italian authorities have also been investigating far-right groups for sending individuals to fight alongside Russian-backed separatists in Ukraine, as well as other aid. Just on July 3, 2019, Italian authorities jailed three other men after a court in Genoa found them guilty of fighting in Ukraine.

However, in this case, Italian police said that the individuals arrested had been linked to groups fighting against the Russian-supported forces in Ukraine. There have been accusations that forces fighting on the side of the Ukrainian government, most notably the Azov Battalion, also have ties to neo-fascist elements, both in the country and elsewhere.

Separate reports suggested this latest series of raids may have also stemmed from searches of Forza Nuovo's offices in Turin in June, which led to the arrest of the party's top regional official, Luigi Cortese, on charges of "apologizing for fascism," that is to say publicly lauding the World War II-era regime of Benito Mussolini, which is banned under Italian law. DIGOS raided the homes of other Forza Nuovo members last week.

It's unclear what will happen now to any of the items Italian authorities seized. So far, there are no reports that Qatar has asked for its missile back.

Correction: Though it has been widely reported that the arrests that led to the seizure of the Super 530F missile were the result of an investigation into groups tied to Russian-back separatists in Ukraine, the actual official press releaseregarding the raids says they were the product of monitoring far-right Italian groups supporting the other side.

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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-to-air-missile-that-france-had-sold-to-qatar
Looks like India could be buying up spares using the black market.......................Any thoughts on this?

Could also be Libya or even Iran.
 

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Big. Khalistani radical Gopal Singh Chawla in a private audio to Pakistan Sikh Gurudwara Committee says 'Pakistan ne Mujhe Kutta bhi nahi samjha aur dekho kaise phaink diya'. :pound::pound:Says, nobody in Pakistan will now chant India Murdabad now onwards. Issues warning to Pak Govt.






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The Indian media is claiming that India suffered more losses than Pakistan during air space closure. I found this today's video of pak news where pak anchor claims pak losses to be 15 crore (pak) rupees a day. Thus pak losses were far more than indian losses. I think indian media should correct themselves rather than spreading this false propaganda.
Please listen from 1.25 onwards.
 

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The Indian media is claiming that India suffered more losses than Pakistan during air space closure. I found this today's video of pak news where pak anchor claims pak losses to be 15 crore (pak) rupees a day. Thus pak losses were far more than indian losses. I think indian media should correct themselves rather than spreading this false propaganda.
Please listen from 1.25 onwards.
Our loss(overall) would be higher because we would be flying more flights to delhi and punjab... but impact would be more on PIA because we have the capacity to absorb those costs..
 

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Our loss(overall) would be higher because we would be flying more flights to delhi and punjab... but impact would be more on PIA because we have the capacity to absorb those costs..
Indian losses are being claimed by Indian media as around 600-700crore. Pakistan losses as per pak media as 15 crore per day, meaning 2100 crore, or about 1000-1100 indian rupees. I have only compared media claims by respective media.
More importantly, indian media is claiming less losses for Pakistan than pak media, which is what I am highlighting.
 

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Big. Khalistani radical Gopal Singh Chawla in a private audio to Pakistan Sikh Gurudwara Committee says 'Pakistan ne Mujhe Kutta bhi nahi samjha aur dekho kaise phaink diya'. :pound::pound:Says, nobody in Pakistan will now chant India Murdabad now onwards. Issues warning to Pak Govt.






:pound::pound::pound::pound::pound:




PKMKB
One can never trust the Pakis. This whole thing could be a charade to lure India into initiating dialog etc!!!
India should see IRREVERSIBLE evidence of Pakis 'nek niyyat'......as in dead bodies of Hafiz Saeed, Masood Azhar, Dawood & of course this Chawla asshole.......India shouldn't take Pakis seriously.
 

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Indian losses are being claimed by Indian media as around 600-700crore. Pakistan losses as per pak media as 15 crore per day, meaning 2100 crore, or about 1000-1100 indian rupees. I have only compared media claims by respective media.
on a lighter note, don't take any numbers taken by paki media seriously. maths and economics is not their forte...

Just go with one source...

apparently : i stand corrected...

Puri had told the Rajya Sabha that total loss caused by the closure of Pakistani airspace was about Rs 550 crore (Rs 491 crore to Air India, Rs 30.73 crore to SpiceJet, Rs 25.1 crore to IndiGo and Rs 2.1 crore to GoAir).

But loss of revenue was far greater for a fragile economy like Pakistan. Operations of around 400 flights a day were affected due to closure of airspace by Pakistan, which meant loss of almost $100 million or nearly Pakistan Rs 16 billion [Rs 6.85 billion]. 1600 crore PKR or 685 crores INR.

https://www.indiatoday.in/news-anal...pen-its-airspace-for-india-1569975-2019-07-16
 

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The Indian media is claiming that India suffered more losses than Pakistan during air space closure. I found this today's video of pak news where pak anchor claims pak losses to be 15 crore (pak) rupees a day. Thus pak losses were far more than indian losses. I think indian media should correct themselves rather than spreading this false propaganda.
Please listen from 1.25 onwards.
The real loss of Pakis is way higher than that for India!
For Indian carriers the 'loss' is in terms of higher fuel costs (some of which will be paid by foreign travelers in foreign currency), and loss in 'revenue' due to canceled flights or canceled seats (due to higher costs).
But in the case of Pakis all the money lost is actually FREE money that they would have otherwise gotten!
Think of it as a hotel that locks up its own front door - no guests means permanently lost money. Whereas the Indian side only had higher operational revenue & canceled flights only result in a small proportion of actual profit loss. (the long terms impact of reduced business inflow was probably not that significant)!
 
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Indian losses are being claimed by Indian media as around 600-700crore. Pakistan losses as per pak media as 15 crore per day, meaning 2100 crore, or about 1000-1100 indian rupees. I have only compared media claims by respective media.
More importantly, indian media is claiming less losses for Pakistan than pak media, which is what I am highlighting.
Indian “losses” aren’t clear, the figures quoted are additional costs supposedly incurred by airlines which they would have recouped from passengers. Pakistani losses are direct, related to overflight charges that they would have received.
 

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Indian “losses” aren’t clear, the figures quoted are additional costs supposedly incurred by airlines which they would have recouped from passengers. Pakistani losses are direct, related to overflight charges that they would have received.
One of the many examples when our own media does a better job at enemy propaganda than ISPR...so many Porks gleefully quoting these figures on SM
 

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One of the many examples when our own media does a better job at enemy propaganda than ISPR...so many Porks gleefully quoting these figures on SM
I don’t think Indian media is accidentally helping enemy propaganda, it’s always a deliberate attempt to mould the conversation. Almost always, these figures appear simultaneously in many newspapers / online sites quoting unnamed sources, only the last one was official and as I said, I have no idea how these “losses” are calculated. Either the government is cooking something up or someone else is. My bet is on the government, trying to soften public opinion before doing an U turn.
 

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I don’t think Indian media is accidentally helping enemy propaganda, it’s always a deliberate attempt to mould the conversation. Almost always, these figures appear simultaneously in many newspapers / online sites quoting unnamed sources, only the last one was official and as I said, I have no idea how these “losses” are calculated. Either the government is cooking something up or someone else is. My bet is on the government, trying to soften public opinion before doing an U turn.
Govt would have to come out with official data eventually. There is nothing like taking a U turn or going straight through. Do you think govt would not have published it if we were at war?

As far as unmanned source is concerned, the sources are always the lose bearers or institutions who keep tab on these things. Now Spice Jet would not directly complain of their loss in media as it would not go their way. So the easy way out is to leak these info to media houses and try to build up narrative. These narratives acts as pressure on government. They would simply show that the hotheadedness and ego of GOVT is hurting the economy.
 

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Question.. Does India complied to all the stupid request by Porkies like removal of fighter jets and assurance for no balakot like strikes
 

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Question.. Does India complied to all the stupid request by Porkies like removal of fighter jets and assurance for no balakot like strikes
Moving fighters takes 2-3 hours at best. Both sides. Doesn't affect anything, IAF might as well done it while laughing hysterically.
 

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Question.. Does India complied to all the stupid request by Porkies like removal of fighter jets and assurance for no balakot like strikes
If you happen to look at the Indian bases, all the fighters are there in place where they were. Its not like we have done a massive mobilization.

Pakis had to open up their air space anyhow. The economic condition they are in right now is not conducive for them to keep it closed. So they had to form some story for their Aam Abdul and they came out with this.

Even now they have not said anything about India removing its fighters from forward bases.
 

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Govt would have to come out with official data eventually. There is nothing like taking a U turn or going straight through. Do you think govt would not have published it if we were at war?
My point was that data is not clear since all the cost would have been passed on to customers. Exactly how the “losses” are calculated is not apparent straightaway.

As far as U-turn is concerned, we will know soon enough.
 

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My point was that data is not clear since all the cost would have been passed on to customers. Exactly how the “losses” are calculated is not apparent straightaway.

As far as U-turn is concerned, we will know soon enough.
In case of India losses were incurred by airlines, by way of higher fuel cost. This was probably recovered from passengers. As far as Indian Govt goes it actually collected more duties on sale of additional fuel, so GOI lost nothing, and may have gained additional revenue in form of duties on higher sale of aviation fuel.
On other hand Pakistan lost revenue from direct over flight charges.
We had hard time connecting to AFG & Central Asia.... and Paki's had to forego Bangkok, Pattya, KL & Singapore. Guess who was inconvenienced more :)
 

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Do read up Minister Puri's statement in Parliament on these details.
 

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Jammu & Kashmir: One militant killed in Sopore Encounter
Sopore: A Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) militant was killed in an encounter in Baramulla’s Sopore on early Wednesday.

The gunfight started on early Wednesday between the security forces and hiding militants in Sopore area, police said.
 
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