Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

[Assassin 2.0]

Excuse me but Dhanoa has a bad habit of labelling any acquisition as game changer.
S400 is good or bad, only time will tell

The S-400 system is highly mobile-all radars, missiles and launchers are mounted on 8x8 cross-country trucks, which makes them harder to detect and destroy. The entire system can be made ready to fire in a matter of minutes. The S-400's crown jewel is its 92N6E electronically-steered phased array radar, dubbed 'Grave Stone', that can track 300 targets over 600 kilometres away and, based on the threat and range, shoot four different missile types at them. Each S-400 system has four types of missiles from the 400-km range, 200-km range, 100-km and 40-km range, forming a nearly impenetrable interlocking grid of missiles. It can detect and destroy targets flying as low as 100 feet to as high as 40,000 feet.



The S-400 long-range air-defence missile is being stress-tested in temperatures that are 50 and 70 degrees Celsius below zero. (Photo:Sandeep Unnithan/India Today)
These missiles can address multiple aerial threats, from combat jets to cruise missiles and air-launched smart bombs, and are resistant to electronic jamming.

The Indian Air Force (IAF), which has closely studied the S-400 system for the past five years, was impressed by these capabilities. The IAF's air defence missiles can currently only engage targets 40 kilometres away. The Medium-Range Surface-to-Air Missile or MRSAM to be acquired from Israel next year will increase its engagement range to nearly 80 kilometres. The S-400 on the other hand, more than quadruples the IAF's missile reach.

"Deploying one S-400 system allows you to cover an entire spectrum of aerial threats," says a senior IAF official. The missile system offers such a quantum jump in its capabilities that, the official says that the IAF advised the government to purchase it even at the risk of incurring US wrath. India also rejected US counter-offers of the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) to stop the sale.

 

[AbRaj]

It passed all the tests. If it wasn't the capable system then we could have gone ahead with patriot system.
You can watch RSTV episode and learn what are the capabilities of this system and anyways show me one system in it's category which is having range of 400KMs.

Yes there must have been some set of criteria for the qualification. I’m not doubting that.
It’s their combat effectiveness and usefulness in case of India Pak and India China scenario, which I’m not so sure about.
Every one have seen the pictures how IAF destroyed famed Pantsir S1 systems in syria. Or Coalition forces include French Rafale operated with Impunity over S300. We must not overestimate any system

 

[Shiv sagar]

It's clearly useless to Turkey. It's now more than ever that Turkey needs S-400's capabilities against Assad's planes.

Nobody (except turkey) knows whether s400 was deployed in the said area, then how can you conclude s400 failed against asad's planes? Buying a system and properly deploying it in a war zone are two different things. it takes time to properly train your officers on a new system. In our case, we are not relying on s400 alone, we have systems made by our-self's and Israel which are part of our AF net, s400 will be one part of it not the sole part. Hence our enemy will have to counter not one but three or four different types of radars and subsystems to effectively conduct an air raid.

 

[Akula]

............. .............. lol......
Check out @architect_zees’s Tweet:

Meine to suna tha Russia-China-Pakistan block bana rahe hai PDF mein

 

[AbRaj]

The S-400 system is highly mobile-all radars, missiles and launchers are mounted on 8x8 cross-country trucks, which makes them harder to detect and destroy. The entire system can be made ready to fire in a matter of minutes. The S-400's crown jewel is its 92N6E electronically-steered phased array radar, dubbed 'Grave Stone', that can track 300 targets over 600 kilometres away and, based on the threat and range, shoot four different missile types at them. Each S-400 system has four types of missiles from the 400-km range, 200-km range, 100-km and 40-km range, forming a nearly impenetrable interlocking grid of missiles. It can detect and destroy targets flying as low as 100 feet to as high as 40,000 feet.



The S-400 long-range air-defence missile is being stress-tested in temperatures that are 50 and 70 degrees Celsius below zero. (Photo:Sandeep Unnithan/India Today)
These missiles can address multiple aerial threats, from combat jets to cruise missiles and air-launched smart bombs, and are resistant to electronic jamming.

The Indian Air Force (IAF), which has closely studied the S-400 system for the past five years, was impressed by these capabilities. The IAF's air defence missiles can currently only engage targets 40 kilometres away. The Medium-Range Surface-to-Air Missile or MRSAM to be acquired from Israel next year will increase its engagement range to nearly 80 kilometres. The S-400 on the other hand, more than quadruples the IAF's missile reach.

"Deploying one S-400 system allows you to cover an entire spectrum of aerial threats," says a senior IAF official. The missile system offers such a quantum jump in its capabilities that, the official says that the IAF advised the government to purchase it even at the risk of incurring US wrath. India also rejected US counter-offers of the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) to stop the sale.

Don’t read me S400 brochure bro. I’ve seen it many times. S 300 too was touted as Best defense system in the world and so is the patriot. Really was a bit different though. Both failed in battlefield

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Yes there must have been some set of criteria for the qualification. I’m not doubting that.
It’s their combat effectiveness and usefulness in case of India Pak and India China scenario, which I’m not so sure about.
Every one have seen the pictures how IAF destroyed famed Pantsir S1 systems in syria. Or Coalition forces include French Rafale operated with Impunity over S300. We must not overestimate any system

By that logic every system is vulnerable. Last time i remember S-400 main competition Patriot was a sitting duck when yemen rebels destroyed saudi oil refineries.
Anyways what's Pantsir have to do with all of this IAF already rejected that system long time ago and went on with Korean system.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Don’t read me S400 brochure bro. I’ve seen it many times. S 300 too was touted as Best defense system in the world and so is the patriot. Really was a bit different though. Both failed in battlefield

It's not the Russian brochure read the article i posted half message. Deploying one S-400 system allows you to cover an entire spectrum of aerial threats," says a senior IAF official. The missile system offers such a quantum jump in its capabilities that, the official says that the IAF advised the government to purchase it even at the risk of incurring US wrath. India also rejected US counter-offers of the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) and Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) to stop the sale.

The deal was directly concluded between the Indian and Russian governments in just two years, considerably shorter than the Indian defence ministry's circuitous negotiations and acquisition cycle. Interestingly, transfer of technology and defence offsets, usually insisted on by the defence ministry for large volume deals, were waived. A new payment route for India to pay for the purchase, bypassing US banking networks, was recently formalised.

The IAF sees in the S-400 an answer to many of its existential woes-a dwindling fighter jet fleet and the increasing sophistication of enemy fighter aircraft. The force has only 32 fighter squadrons as opposed to a sanctioned 39.5. This is seen as inadequate for its primary tasks of securing Indian airspace from intruding enemy aircraft and conducting aerial warfare by bombing enemy targets. This crisis is likely to be exacerbated by 2027 when over 100 MiG-series fighter jets are phased out, leaving the IAF with just 19 fighter squadrons. The only acquisition by then would be two squadrons of 36 Rafale fighter jets-to be delivered by 2021. The IAF's potential adversaries, China and Pakistan, have inducted cutting-edge fighter jets like Block 52 F-16s and, in the case of the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF), the fifth-generation J-20 fighter. In case of war, the IAF would be hard-pressed to deploy its fighter jets in defensive and offensive roles.

This imbalance changes with the acquisition of the S-400. The missile system can undertake a bulk of the airspace defence role. From their locations in India, the S-400's radars can look deep inside Pakistani territory and pick up enemy aircraft almost as soon as they are airborne. Deployed along the eastern border with China, the missile system can monitor fighter jets taking off from airfields along the Tibetan plateau. "In case of hostilities, the S-400s will free up our multi-role fighters for other tasks like air-to-ground bombing missions, instead of tying them up in the air superiority role of shooting down enemy fighters," says a senior IAF official.

 

[Atcjurvin]

Meine to suna tha Russia-China-Pakistan block bana rahe hai PDF mein

When did u heard are there any real Russians there.......

 

[AbRaj]

By that logic every system is vulnerable. Last time i remember S-400 main competition Patriot was a sitting duck when yemen rebels destroyed saudi oil refineries.
Anyways what's Patriot have to do with all of this IAF already rejected that system long time ago and went on with Korean system.

Yes that’s what I wanted to tell. Don’t just rely on promo videos and Brochures.
Anyway Russians are getting too closure to China for our comfort.
That doesn’t mean US is very reliable too

S400 at some parameters is better than Patriot or even Thaad system.

PS: S 400 as of now is an unproven system.

 

[Assassin 2.0]

Yes that’s what I wanted to tell. Don’t just rely on promo videos and Brochures.
Anyway Russians are getting too closure to China for our comfort.
That doesn’t mean US is very reliable too

Till the time you don't develop your own indigenous solutions you are always vulnerable as these systems tend to stay for 20-30 years and till that time no one knows how world diplomacy will be like.

 

[Akula]

When did u heard are there any real Russians there.......

Sarcasm bro.............................

 

[AbRaj]

Till the time you don't develop your own indigenous solutions you are always vulnerable as these systems tend to stay for 20-30 years and till that time no one knows how world diplomacy will be like.

Exactly. We must have our own Air Defence System. It’s spes sheet may not be as shiny as others.

 

[AbRaj]

When did u heard are there any real Russians there.......

Ghafoora told me. LOL .............

 

[asianobserve]

Nobody (except turkey) knows whether s400 was deployed in the said area, then how can you conclude s400 failed against asad's planes? Buying a system and properly deploying it in a war zone are two different things. it takes time to properly train your officers on a new system. In our case, we are not relying on s400 alone, we have systems made by our-self's and Israel which are part of our AF net, s400 will be one part of it not the sole part. Hence our enemy will have to counter not one but three or four different types of radars and subsystems to effectively conduct an air raid.

If Turkey deployed its S-400 near Idlib then the more it's useless for despite Turkey's S-400 Assad's air force was stillbable to bomb and kill 33 Turkish soldiers.

At least 33 Turkish soldiers killed in an air attack by Syrian regime, Turkish governor says
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...east/turkish-soldiers-killed-syria/index.html

 

[IndiaRising]

S400 is so ineffective that US threatens to sanction any country that buys it. Get real

 

[IndiaRising]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...400-air-defense-system-pentagon-says.html/amp

S400 hasn’t been operationally deployed, still under testing. They only received the first unit back in July

 

[asianobserve]

S400 is so ineffective that US threatens to sanction any country that buys it. Get real

It's not S-400's capabilities that causing the sanctions, it's violations sanctions on Russia due to annexation of Crimea. The first time a European territory was annexed after WW2.

The Americans and Israelis will just play around S-400. They have been practicing against it.

Besides, when it comes to India buying S-400 why would America fear S-400 ending up in Indian hands since there is ZERO possibility of US attacking India in the next 30 yeats or vice versa.

 

[IndiaRising]

It's not S-400's capabilities that causing the sanctions, it's violations sanctions on Russia due to annexation of Crimea. The first time a European territory was annexed after WW2.

The Americans and Israelis will just play around S-400. They have been practicing against it.

Besides, when it comes to India buying S-400 why would America fear S-400 ending up in Indian hands since there is ZERO possibility of US attacking India in the next 30 yeats or vice versa.

lol, US specifically told turkey that they will not allow sale of F-35 if S400 is bought. They even tried to persuade India to buy Patriot and THAAD as an alternative. Whether you like to admit it or not, S400 scared pentagon military planners more than anything else.

 

[asianobserve]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mi...400-air-defense-system-pentagon-says.html/amp

S400 hasn’t been operationally deployed, still under testing. They only received the first unit back in July

S-400 can easily be set up and operated by Turkish military since there is already initial training. In fact, Turkey already tested last year S-400's radar against an F-16. Turkey's quagmire in Idlib is a political life and death situation for Erdo and a great national pride issue for Turkey. So hastily assembling S-400 now is better and faster for Turkey than asking the Americans for Patriot battery.

 

[IndiaRising]

S-400 can easily be set up and operated by Turkish military since there is already initial training. In fact, Turkey already tested last year S-400's radar against an F-16. Turkey's quagmire in Idlib is a political life and death situation for Erdo and a great national pride issue for Turkey. So hastily assembling S-400 now is better and faster for Turkey than asking the Americans for Patriot battery.

that’s not how it works. These are expensive systems. You can’t just use shortcuts to deploy them without the crew being comfortable enough to use it, that too if there is imminent threat of war.