Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

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It is better for us to stay neutral. Why get involved in something without any gain?
Do not be too naive. ISIS has been created by US to destroy the Middle East, make it archaic, theocratic maniac society. And then move its wild hordes to China, Russia and India as main competitors in Eurasia.

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From an Indian PoV, India needs to stop this US-Saudi-Qatari planned pipeline from Qatar to Europe. That way, the Middle East will have one less customer, and India and PRC can get cheap oil. It is in India's interest to support the Shia Crescent, which will block or attenuate the Arabs' efforts at selling oil to Europe.
 

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In my opinion India should first get involved in Afghanistan. We should help Afghanistan to secure itself from extremism. Helping afghans by supplying arms, Intel, training their forces, sending in quick response forces that will safeguard important cities and trade routes, giving Afghanistan an easy access to Indian ocean through chabahar etc will be in our own interest. This will give us an edge over Pakistan and isolate it from the west. Americans and Russians too need a stable Afghanistan and we can facilitate that.

One more advantage by having a solid presence in Afghanistan is that we can punish Pakistan by dismembering it again in Baluchistan. A free and India friendly Baluchistan means much more ease of access to centra Asia.

Reg Syria, India can send in a peace keeping force when political transition takes place. If such a thing happens, our forces should be stationed in key strategic areas that will prevent GCC adventurism in Syria.
 

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EXCLUSIVE: Great Russian TV report: There will be no blitzkrieg in Syria

Syria: Russia has dealt accurate blows to positions of "the Islamic state" news Syria Today

SYRIA: Syrian Government troops drove the rebels from the suburbs of Damascus news Syria Today
 

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The only Apaches armour is its pilots seats.
So they cannot withstand even pistols, 23mm will tear it apart.
It is designed to hover over the friendly pisitions and use its Hellfires from the safe range. In the case of an ambush it can rely on its speed only to try to flee.

So, when Apache pilots started to use them for fire support which it's not designed for, they stsrted to suffer losses.

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So Apaches, in your opinion, aren't unarmoured anymore, the pilots compartment is armoured now.

Yeah, your comment isn't correct. I'd correct you, but my reply's going to get deleted and if you're talking about pistols and a bizarre interpretation of US doctrine I can't be bothered. You need to do a bit more research about Apaches.

@apple prompt?

It turns out to Europe fleeing Syrians lazy, whichof the IS makes the work ?
Sorry, what? I'm not Finnish. I'm not the best person to tell you about Finland.

Read my comment,i said Indians will always support Russia (in its actions) even if (the Russians) supports the mass murderer of the 21st century.
I've never said you supported Assad... Or do you support him ?
It's sure that Porochenko or Saakashvilii are far worse than Assad.
0.1% of Indians are Russian fans. The Soviets were pretty friendly with "neutral", non aligned India in the Cold War and some Indians haven't seemed to have read the news in the last 25+ years.

Worse than Assad, seriously? Are the French still confused about which countries are part of the Francophone world, or are you just being contrary?

You've read history right? Ba'ath party in Syria and Lebanon weren't friends of France.
 

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So Apaches, in your opinion, aren't unarmoured anymore, the pilots compartment is armoured now.

Yeah, your comment isn't correct. I'd correct you, but my reply's going to get deleted and if you're talking about pistols and a bizarre interpretation of US doctrine I can't be bothered. You need to do a bit more research about Apaches.



Sorry, what? I'm not Finnish. I'm not the best person to tell you about Finland.



0.1% of Indians are Russian fans. The Soviets were pretty friendly with "neutral", non aligned India in the Cold War and some Indians haven't seemed to have read the news in the last 25+ years.

Worse than Assad, seriously? Are the French still confused about which countries are part of the Francophone world, or are you just being contrary?

You've read history right? Ba'ath party in Syria and Lebanon weren't friends of France.
I was being sarcastic. He said that Porochenko and Saakaschvili were worse than Assad.
 

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@apple prompt?

It turns out to Europe fleeing Syrians lazy, whichof the IS makes the work ?
Syrians here are not avoiding work. In fact they manage quite ok, like Mohamad Darwich, who has a chain of stores at our eastern border which cater for Russian clentele. He originally came to SU to study engineering in the eighties, moved to Finland and prospered. Of course he is now suffering because of decline of Russian purchasing power.

 

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The Gloves Are Coming Off: Get Ready for 4+1 Versus NATOGCO
US, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar could be a match for Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq and Hezbollah, but there’s just one problem - unlike their opposition the Russians are actually sane and actually appear to know what they’re doing


Pepe Escobar | Russia Insider



Originally appeared at Asia Times

And of course he quoted Tolstoy.

Russian President Vladimir Putin once again had to pull all stops at the International Valdai Discussion Club’s 12th annual meeting in Sochi to highlight the tremendous seriousness of the current geopolitical juncture.

As a compact Greatest Hits on comparative foreign policy and military strategy, this already qualifies as required reading in political science courses everywhere. Putin’s full speech, plus a crucial Q&A, is here. The speech on video is here.

Let’s go straight to some of the unmissable highlights.

On “moderate rebels” in Syria: “We shouldn’t play with words here and divide the terrorists into moderate and non-moderate … The difference, according to the “specialists” (Team Obama), seems to be that “moderate” bandits behead people softly … Success in fighting terrorists cannot be reached if using some of them as a battering ram to overthrow disliked regimes (because) it’s just an illusion that they can be dealt with (later), removed from power and somehow negotiated with.”

On the partition of Syria: “The territorial division of Syria is unacceptable. It is not going to resolve the conflict. The conflict will acquire a permanent character. Nothing good will come out of this … Just imagine that in case of taking Damascus or Baghdad, terrorist bands might have received, practically, the status of the official government. The bridgehead for global expansion could have been created. Does anyone think about that?”

On Russia’s air campaign in Syria: “I’d like to stress once again that is completely legitimate, and its only aim is to aid in establishing peace.” Putin makes a clear distinction between Washington’s target – “Assad must go” – and Moscow’s: to fight all brands of Salafi-jihadi terror before they come to Russia.

On the Iranian nuclear dossier: “The hypothetical nuclear threat from Iran is a myth. The US was just trying to destroy the strategic balance, not to just dominate, but be able to dictate its will to everyone — not only geopolitical opponents, but also allies.”

On nuclear weapons: “We had the right to expect that work on development of US missile defense system would stop. But nothing like it happened, and it continues. This is a very dangerous scenario, harmful for all, including the United States itself. The deterrent of nuclear weapons has started to lose its value, and some have even got the illusion that a real victory of one of the sides can be achieved in a global conflict, without irreversible consequences for the winner itself — if there is a winner at all.”

In a sound world, this would be greeted as sound realpolitik. And yet we live under the shadow of Empire of Chaos newspeak and neocon/neoliberalcon hysteria. A world where Iraq had weapons of mass destruction; Iran was making a nuclear bomb; “kill lists” are legitimate; al-Qaeda in Syria are “moderate rebels”; Russia, China and Iran are “threats” for the Pentagon worse than ISIS/ISIL/Daesh; and the Pentagon believes it can win a war against all those “threats” – Russia, China, Iran – with no consequences. A world where peace is war.

Those Saudi “thinkers”

Now for the facts on the ground. It’s wishful thinking to expect Washington, Ankara, Riyadh and Doha will simply let Syria “go” after all those years of supporting, training and weaponizing a mostly Salafi-jihadi galaxy bent on regime change. At the same time Putin and the Kremlin know these actors cannot directly weaponize the “moderate rebels” anymore, because their agenda is now fully exposed in front of global public opinion.

They can’t? Oh, no, they can.

On the ground across the Sykes-Picot-in-ruins “Syraq,” what’s going on now essentially pits the “4+1” — Russia-Iran-Syria-Iraq plus Hezbollah, including their joint intel center in Baghdad — against the NATOGCC compound, as in Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. An elaborate proxy war is a go — and all manner of red alerts come to mind.

Trouble, trouble everywhere. Let’s start with the GCC minions. The House of Saud is apoplectic with Iran’s imminent political, diplomatic and trade resurgence; not to mention that Tehran is winning on both the Iraq and Syria fronts.

In parallel, those barbarian fanatics that pass for imams in Saudi Arabia have called for a jihad against … Russia. Saudi “thinkers” (?) want Riyadh to lead a coalition against the “remnants” of the Syrian Arab Army, Hezbollah and Iranian advisers to speed up regime change in Damascus.

It’s useful to remember that the Saudis are already part of what I call the Coalition of Dodgy Opportunists (CDO), led from behind by Washington. Lost on these Saudi “thinkers” is the fact this new “coalition” would have to go head to head against the Russian Air Force.

But we haven’t been hurled to the unreachable levels of the Supremely Pathetic yet. That happens when Qatar starts to mull a “direct military intervention” in Syria. Qatar’s Foreign Minister Khalid al-Attiyah told CNN, “Anything that protects the Syrian people and Syria from partition, we will not spare any effort to carry it out with our Saudi and Turkish brothers, no matter what this is.”

At this level of demented geopolitics, all that’s left is quoting another demented player, jihad-enabler Bandar Bush (he threatened Putin face to face, no less), who — correctly — depicted Qatar as “300 people and a TV station. Leave it to GCC “thinkers” to conceptualize Saudi and Qatari F-16s bombing Iranian forces next to Russia’s air base at Latakia, a couple of Sukhois turning them to ashes and then, what, the Pentagon declares WWIII?

And for the requisite post-Monty Python sketch, let’s have the — demented — King Salman of Saudi Arabia plus the mini-emir of Qatar deliberating at a whisky/cognac/lap-dancing party how to go to war against both Russia and Iran just so al-Qaeda in Syria may engineer regime change in Damascus.

It’s always enlightening to keep in mind Tunisian writer Hamadi Redissi; “The theses of millenarian, misanthrope, bellicose, anti-Christian, anti-Semite, misogynous Islam are all found in raw in Wahhabism.” Or Algerian writer Bualem Sansal; “Papa’s Arab world will be finished once this absurd thing will be smashed, this club of arrogant and cruel fake princes, which pose as guardians of the mythic Arab race and true Islam.”

Well, things are not much better in the realm of that Salafist Grand Turk in a blue suit, Sultan Erdogan.

Assuming there will be real Moscow-Washington coordination (and that’s a major “if”) to seal the Syrian-Turkish border – where a de facto no-fly zone is already in effect, controlled by Russia – this will cut not only ISIS/ISIL/Daesh but also al-CIAda “moderate rebels” from their supply lines.

Three consequences are immediate. 1) no Turkish-controlled “safe haven” in northern Syria implemented by Turkmen brigades (that’s already the case). 2) No possibility of Ankara annexing Aleppo. 3) the end of all elaborate plans for that nefarious gas pipeline from Qatar through Syria all the way to Turkey to supply European customers, one of the absolute key reasons fomenting the Syrian tragedy.

Vainglorious Sultan Erdogan will never be able to live with that.

Is peace still war?

As Baghdad advances on its own fight against ISIS/ISIL/Daesh – to the thunderous silence of embarrassed-to-oblivion Western corporate media – Moscow keeps pressing for the voice of reason.

Bashar al-Assad’s spectacular Moscow appearance – which enraged neocons/neoliberalcons to Kingdom Come – came complete with an ultra-high level dinner with Putin, Medvedev, Lavrov and Shoygu. It does not get more graphic than that; the order of priorities is to fight the “Caliphate” goons to death, and in parallel conduct a political process. Forget about regime change.

Putin briefed both Sultan Erdogan and King Salman on the phone. Then Russia, US, Turkey and Saudi foreign ministers met in Vienna on Friday to discuss the political road map. Moscow has to convince Riyadh that Tehran also must be at the table; that’s starkly obvious, but try reasoning with those Saudi “thinkers.” Even John Kerry has been uncharacteristically reasonable, stressing all countries with an interest in Syria, including Russia and Iran, agree on the need for a unified, secular and pluralistic Syria governed with the consent of its people.

So, extrapolating from Putin’s speech, this is where war and peace stand at the moment. But as this is a mad, mad world where peace is war, it’s as if we are all left in suspension by what a bunch of deranged Wahhabis are up to next.
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Commentary: So, Putin called Qatar, “300 people and a TV station.” Interesting. I suppose he was referring to al-Jazeera.
 

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So Russia suffers first casualty in Syria ( Not combat related though)

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Russian Defense Ministry Confirms Death of Serviceman in Syria

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ath-of-Serviceman-in-Syria.html#ixzz3pn16th6A

A Russian contract serviceman committed suicide at the Hmeymim airbase in Syria after an argument with his girlfriend.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — "The Russian Defense Ministry confirmed the suicide of a contract serviceman at the Hmeymim airbase. The contract serviceman, who served at the airbase as a technical expert, committed suicide during rest time after duty," the ministry's press service said.

All details regarding the tragedy are currently under investigation.

According to preliminary information obtained from messages on the serviceman's phone, he was having relationship problems, the ministry said



Read more: http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2...ath-of-Serviceman-in-Syria.html#ixzz3pn0w5JTQ

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For helos I guess...
ISIS guys are too stupid to operate sophisticated serious AD systems anyway, so the choice is very narrow.
So aren't these effective against helicopters? I suppose even One downed Russian helicopter will bring back the memories of soviet war in Afghanistan.
 

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