Russian involvement in Syrian crisis

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Read my comment,i said Indians will always support Russia (in its actions) even if (the Russians) supports the mass murderer of the 21st century.
I've never said you supported Assad... Or do you support him ?
It's sure that Porochenko or Saakashvilii are far worse than Assad.
I had no historical allegiance to Assad. I was ambivalent.

Now that we have seen the western backed "moderate" liver-eating terrorists, and the head-chopping child-raping ISIS, the attacks on Christians, the destruction of churches, and ancient Roman Temples and Buildings, I think Assad is the best of all the elements in Syria.
 

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I had no historical allegiance to Assad. I was ambivalent.

Now that we have seen the western backed "moderate" liver-eating terrorists, and the head-chopping child-raping ISIS, the attacks on Christians, the destruction of churches, and ancient Roman Temples and Buildings, I think Assad is the best of all the elements in Syria.
Oh yeah,between those that cut heads etc.. and those that barrel bombs,gas,torture (kids,old etc)i don't think one is better than the other.
 

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Oh yeah,between those that cut heads etc.. and those that barrel bombs,gas,torture (kids,old etc)i don't think one is better than the other.
Gas? You mean chemical weapons? Some links:

Sure, the west constantly blamed Assad for chemical attacks. They needed a casus belli to invade Syria and spread "democracy" there. You should question the "free" western media a bit more. Alternatively, you can blindly believe what they say.

Barrel bombs? Would donut shaped bombs be any better?
 

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Gas? You mean chemical weapons? Some links:

Sure, the west constantly blamed Assad for chemical attacks. They needed a casus belli to invade Syria and spread "democracy" there. You should question the "free" western media a bit more. Alternatively, you can blindly believe what they say.

Barrel bombs? Would donut shaped bombs be any better?


Even in the most failed countries in the world,they do not use barrel bombs.
 

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Even in the most failed countries in the world,they do not use barrel bombs.
Barrel bombs were used in Palestine and Israel during 1947-48. They were first used by militant Zionist groups in Palestine against the British.
Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barre...the_barrel_bomb_and_first_use_against_British

Most bombs are shaped like either a barrel, or a cylinder, or a sphere.

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You can make a bomb shaped like a cauliflower if you wish.
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I don't see your point, unfortunately.
 

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The Syrian army must have decreased to a nowhere level to use such type of bombs.
It is true.

The Syrian army has been fighting against thousands of mercenaries funded by Saudi and Qatari petro dollars and pushed from territories protected by NATO security blanket (read Turkey). Some of those mercenaries, ISIS, also came from Iraq, where the US military has been stationed for years, and willfully or otherwise, failed to stop their rise. Some came from Jordan. Many of these terrorists were aided by the US.

Assad has done an impressive job so far, given he has been operating from a position of serious disadvantage.
 

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EXCLUSIVE - Report alongside Russian soldiers in Syria (hidden camera)
  • General who fought in South Ossetia are commanding operations in Syria.
  • Russians are welcome here.
  • Locals are thankful to Russia.
 

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Russia And Iran Start Using SUICIDE Drones To Fight Off Assad’s Enemies


Russia and Iran have started launching suicide drones to fight off rebels trying to take out the regime of Syrian President Bashar Assad.

These drones are designed to land and then explode near targets, The Washington Times reports.

News agency Syria Mubasher reported that six drones, which apparently came from a base in Russian-controlled Lattakia in western Syria, exploded near fighters from Ahrar al-Sham, an al-Qaida affiliate. This resulted in several dead and wounded.

An Ahrar al-Sham commander told the Smart News agency in Syria that the drones exploded like a booby trap. This took place by the city of Ma’ara al-Nuiman.

But some claimed that the drones came from Shiite areas, which are currently dominated by the Lebanese Hezbollah, a group in turn run by proxy from Iran. In late December 2014 the commander of Iran’s ground forces told media that its kamikaze drones had seen action in military drills. Development of suicide drones in Iran goes back at least to 2013. Foreign experts poked fun at the drones after reviewing footage from Iranian TV stations, but it appears the drones are functional enough to see some use.

Called the Raad by Iranian media, the drone is essentially a copy of Boeing’s ScanEagle and has limited utility against military targets, as defense systems can easily spot the surveillance drone strapped with explosives and take it out of the sky. The exception is economic targets and ground fighters, who may not have access to radar and defense systems.

Other regional powers are also developing suicide drone technology. In June, Israel Aerospace Industries announced that it had upgraded its suicide drones to sell to foreign buyers. The company did not provide the identities of the foreign buyers.

The strike on Ahrar al-Sham counts as another hit on a non-ISIS-related target, which supports the position of American officials, namely that Russia is focused on ensuring that U.S.-backed rebel groups don’t pose a threat to the Assad regime, instead of taking out ISIS.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/23/r...es-to-fight-off-assads-enemies/#ixzz3pUTMlQKJ
This is bullshit. Unprofessional and diletantic journalism.

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It is true.

The Syrian army has been fighting against thousands of mercenaries funded by Saudi and Qatari petro dollars and pushed from territories protected by NATO security blanket (read Turkey). Some of those mercenaries, ISIS, also came from Iraq, where the US military has been stationed for years, and willfully or otherwise, failed to stop their rise. Some came from Jordan. Many of these terrorists were aided by the US.

Assad has done an impressive job so far, given he has been operating from a position of serious disadvantage.
When all this started I never thought assad would last beyond a few weeks.,But he has proven himself to be the toughest adversary in the middle east. You also forgot to mention the IsraelI pressure. If/when he wins this will be a major embarrassment to NATO and their backward allies in the middle east. A major new power block may also develop which otherwise may not have existed.
 
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http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/russian-involvement-in-syrian-crisis.70000/page-53

Countering Russia’s Geopolitical Masterstroke: Washington Wants to Strengthen the Syrian Rebels by Bombing Hezbollah

The Role of the Brookings Institution
By Steven MacMillan
Global Research, October 25, 2015

Western think tanks have been working relentlessly to try and counter Russia’s geopolitical masterstroke in Syria, which has clearly taken most strategists in the West by complete surprise. Reading through the analysis by these think tanks on Russia’s role in Syria, one is starkly reminded of how immoral Western foreign policy actually is, when you remember that these organisations are freaking out because Russia is bombing terrorists! Obviously, the reason why they are so distraught is because Russia is bombing the West’s terrorists, which they have been using as proxy armies to try and force regime change in Damascus (a strategy that has completely failed).

Potential countermeasures are the subject of a recent article for the Brookings Institution written by Pavel K. Baev, a nonresident senior fellow in the Center on the United States and Europe at Brookings, titled: Russia’s Syrian entanglement: Can the West sit back and watch? Baev suggests that “the decision to withdraw the batteries of Patriot surface-to-air missiles [from Turkey] must be cancelled”,before arguing that the US and its allies could bomb “Hezbollah bands around Damascus”:

Finally, the United States and its allies could deliver a series of airstrikes on the Hezbollah bands around Damascus. Thatwould be less confrontationalvis-à-vis Russia than hitting Assad’s forces. Hezbollah has already suffered losses in the Syrian war and is not particularly motivated to stand with Assad to the bitter end, away from [its] own home-ground in Lebanon. (Israel would appreciate such punishment, too.)

Striking Hezbollah may not have the desired effect Baev seems to envisage however, as this belligerent action is as likely to galvanize the group and ensure it will fight “to the bitter end” with the Syrian army, than encourage it to scale back its involvement in Syria. Airstrikes on Hezbollah could also potentially provoke a response against the perpetrators of the violence, further escalating a conflict that already involves a plethora of regional and international powers. Furthermore, many people would consider an attack on Hezbollah to be essentially an attack on Iran, as the Lebanese based group is funded by Tehran and closely aligned with the country.

Brookings recommendations once again highlight the fact that large sections of the US establishment have absolutely no focus on defeating ISIS in the region, as Brookings is advocating bombing a major group that has been fighting ISIS for years now. Rather, many within the US are still focused on toppling the regime in Damascus (which is never going to happen) in addition to weakening the forces that are battling ISIS. If the West was serious about defeating ISIS, they would support and cooperate with the forces that are truly fighting against this new so-called caliphate.

TTIP is an Geoeconomic Tool against Russia

Western strategists are terrified of Europe moving closer to the East, and an EU-Russian (especially a German-Russian) alliance arising. Merging Russia and the EU in the future is an objective of some US strategists, but Washington only desires this if both Russia and the EU are completely subservient to US dictates. Today however, Russia is a sovereign, independent nation which is not controlled by the US, and some within the EU are increasingly tiring of being vassals of Washington. This means closer relations between Russia and the EU is a geopolitical disaster for the US at the present moment, as Washington’s power will be severely diminished if this tectonic shift occurs.

By understanding this reality, it is now obvious how essential the trade deal between the US and the EU – the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) – is to US geostrategy. As well as being a corporate fascist deal that empowers multi-national corporations at the expense of citizens, TTIP is a geoeconomic weapon against Russia to cement the transatlantic alliance between the US and the EU.

Ensuring TTIP passes was a recommendation of another Western organisation that has been working on potential counter strategies to Russia, namely the Washington-based Atlantic Council (AC). In a testimony before the US Senate Armed Services Committee in Washington on October 8, 2015, Gen James L. Jones, Jr., the Chairman of the Atlantic Council’s Brent Scowcroft Center on International Security and a former National Security Advisor, Jones emphasises the importance of TTIP “successfully concluding” for the West:

Energy security is instrumental for transatlantic growth, prosperity, and security. The same can be said of successfully concluding TTIP. Europe and the US have the largest trading partnership in the world. Strengthening it serves our mutual interests and reaffirms the centrality of the transatlantic alliance in the 21st century. TTIP also affords the U.S. a unique opportunity to author the rulebook and roadmap for 21st century advanced economies.

Jones other recommendations include working to diversify the EU’s energy supply to “undermine Putin’s use of energy as a political weapon”, continuing to impose sanctions on Moscow, in addition to admitting Montenegro into NATO next year and working to pull Macedonia into the military alliance. The retired General also asserts that the US should provide the government in Kiev with “anti-tank missiles, intelligence support, training and counter-electronic warfare capabilities”.

Russia of course is well aware of the importance of TTIP to Washington’s long-term agenda. In Vladimir Putin’s speech at the United Nations at the end of September, Putin appeared to confront some of the US-led trade deals which we have seen being negotiated in recent years, most probably referring to TTIP and the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) (from 18.45 into the speech):

I would like to point out another sign of a growing economic selfishness. Some countries have chosen to create closed and exclusion economic associations, with the establishment being negotiated behind the scenes in secret from those countries own citizens, the general public [and] the business community. Other states whose interests may be effected are not informed of anything either. It seems we are about to be faced with an accomplished fact that the rules of the game have been changed in favour of a narrow group of the privileged, with the WTO having no say. This could imbalance the trade system completely and disintegrate the global economic space. These issues affect the interests of all states and influence the future of the world economy as a whole.

For a multitude of reasons, defeating TTIP would be a colossal achievement for the world. Many European’s are diametrically opposed to this deal, with hundreds of thousands protesting TTIP in Germany a recent illustration of this sentiment. Stop TTIP!

Steven MacMillan is an independent writer, researcher, geopolitical analyst and editor of The Analyst Report, especially for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
 

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When all this started I never thought assad would last beyond a few weeks.,But he has proven himself to be the toughest adversary in the middle east. You also forgot to mention the IsraelI pressure. If/when he wins this will be a major embarrassment to NATO and their backward allies in the middle east. A major new power block may also develop which otherwise may not have existed.
Assad is a patriot. He seems determined to protect Syria and Syrians.
As days go by and Russian AF and Syrian Army intensify strikes, it seems there is a glimmer of hope that the Ba'ath party will prevail and survive the conflict. Assad may himself not be in a direct position of power, but he will hold all the strings nonetheless.
One thing I do not comprehend however is Modi Government's strange non-involvement, not even by words, in the Syrian conflict. It baffles me. We should have sent a jet or two!
 

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It is better for us to stay neutral. Why get involved in something without any gain?
I suppose strategically, there is nothing wrong with India's stance.
In an ideal world however, it would have been great if Russians and Indians fought shoulder to shoulder against terrorism.

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Nice to see you back @spikey360 after so long days ..!
Yes, after a long time, yes. I feel the need has come again, to put forth my views, Hindutva needs a helping hand. Good to see you folks still active in here. Though I do not have so much time now, but am looking forward to new debates and discussions. Cheers!
 

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Russian AF bombing ISIS position near Khan Sheikhoun, Syria

Syria Soldier demonstrates YPG fighters killed ISIS and trophies
(Might be disturbing to some; didn't bother me at all)
 

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SYRIA: Exclusive footage of ground operations by the troops of Assad on ISIS Syria news Today

Assad's army killed the leader of the terrorist group "dzhebhat EN Nusra" news Syria

Eliminated the leader of the radical group "Dzhabhat EN-Nusra" Suleiman al Masri news Syria
(See picture of dead terrorist leader. Might be disturbing to some, but didn't bother me at all.)
 

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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opini...gling-for-a-quick-exit-from-syria/540318.html

Putin Is Angling for a Quick Exit From Syria


Alexei Druzhinin / RIA-Novosti / Kremlin Pool Photo via AP
Russian President Vladimir Putin is pivoting to diplomacy on Syria to capitalize on the perception of Russia's military success after four weeks of air strikes. He is in a rush to switch gears before the Syrian army's offensive stalls and Russia's key ally is exposed as a spent force.

Having achieved his primary objective of positioning Russia as an indispensable global power on a par with the United States, Putin is angling for a quick exit before the going gets tough.

Putin's diplomatic plan, borrowing heavily from his Chechen template, centers on the need to split the anti-Assad opposition and co-opt those of its elements who would agree to hold the transition talks with Syrian President Bashar Assad and stop fighting the regime, while turning their arms against the Islamic State.

During Assad's clandestine visit to Moscow last week, he was told to agree to share power and Russia's military support with those moderate opposition groups that Russia would be able to incite and co-opt into a "counter-terrorist coalition" to fight the Islamic State. Those opposition groups who did not join the "coalition" would be labeled Islamic State and bombed into dust.

It's a cynically clever plan to create a new reality in Syria by turning its civil war into a counter-terrorist operation. Moscow, however, needs assistance from the United States, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, who back moderate opposition groups, to bring at least some of them to the negotiating table with Assad, while cutting off military support to those who refuse. The task is all the more difficult since Russia now bombs all those groups.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov called upon the Free Syrian Army to accept Russian air support to fight the Islamic State and join talks with Assad to prepare for early presidential and parliamentary elections.

The presidential elections are a cover for transitioning Assad out. Putin would personally guarantee that Assad would not run, but someone from his family or clan might. The parliamentary elections would usher in the constitutional reform and elect a powerful prime minister with full executive powers. The prime minister would be a Sunni.

Russia would guarantee amnesty to every opposition member, while the opposition would not prosecute Assad for his crimes. Russia would keep a military presence in Syria to guarantee the implementation of the peace plan.

As always with Putin, it's a recklessly daring plan, but it may just work.

Vladimir Frolov is president of LEFF Group, a government relations and PR company.
 

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