Russia Ukraine War 2022

[Neptune]

What is this more super duper free democratic Ukrainian government. Zelinsky is attacking the press and opposition parties. This is exactly what dictators do.

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

www.yahoo.com

 

[shitsandgiggles]

Really? My grandfather and grandmother sitting on their homes were resistance? Kidnapping torturing and murdering mayors that said they only wanted piece was resistance? Banning all political opposition, shutting down news stations that are not loyal to the junta is resistance?

The Ukrainian government is a brute regime. All the things they do would be considered tyrannical and undemocratic but the shills in the west ignore everything and spread lies about Ukrainians being some free democracy when the government attacks the press and its own citizens.

What way is american right tilted? I havent hered them on the issue

 

[Maveli]

What is this more super duper free democratic Ukrainian government. Zelinsky is attacking the press and opposition parties. This is exactly what dictators do.

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

Zelensky nationalizes TV news and restricts opposition parties

www.yahoo.com

Some governments do that when a neighboring country invades them. Other countries do it when they invade their neighbor. Sorry not invade, conduct special military operation.

 

[Waanar]

1. Russia invaded a peaceful weaker neighbor.

2. The weaker neighbor fought back and continue to fight back Russia with the suppor of friends.

3. Russia tries to install puppets through whom it can control Ukraine, Ukrainian resists and eliminate Russian puppets.

This is a sovereign country fighting for its freedom. This is a story repeated in history. And Ukraine will win.

Oh man, this is like reliving 1979 when I wasn't even born then.
Even the narrative is the same!

Let's replace Ukraine with Afghanistan in your comment and see if it sounds like a newspaper mini propaganda article from 79.

1. Russia invaded a peaceful weaker neighbor.

2. The weaker neighbor fought back and continue to fight back Russia with the suppor of friends.

3. Russia tries to install puppets through whom it can control Afghanistan, Afghanistan resists and eliminate Russian puppets.

This is a sovereign country fighting for its freedom. This is a story repeated in history. And Ukraine will win.

Glorious repeat of history.

Btw, about this point-

3. Russia tries to install puppets through whom it can control Ukraine, Ukrainian resists and eliminate Russian puppets.

Ukrainians resistance are only attacking Russian soldiers and their Ukrainian puppets. All of them are legitimate targets.

You do realize many of these so-called puppets are merely mayors formerly working under Ukraine who were forced to switch sides to prevent bloodshed and keep the governmental departments running lest essential needs of the regular Ukrainians go unfulfilled, right?
Few if any are actual FSB assets waiting to be activated when evil Putin calls.
Then, again, maybe that's too much to ask from some. Also funny you think that his wife was a Russian agent too.

Ukrainians resistance are only attacking Russian soldiers and their Ukrainian puppets. All of them are legitimate targets.

Lastly, Geneva convention doesn't say non combatants (politicians) are legitimate targets.
If local mayors are legitimate targets, how is Zelensky not one?

Don't redefine "legitimate targets" according to your convenience.

 

[Neptune]

Some governments do that when a neighboring country invades them. Other countries do it when they invade their neighbor. Sorry not invade, conduct special military operation.

Some countries do that when you have a dictator in charge that the US helped install after the overthrow of the government in 2014. In 2014 radical extremists attacked the presidential building in Ukraine but when unarmed Trump supported walked into the capital building that was called terrorism by the same people that supported overthrowing Ukraine in 2014. Anyways Russia intercepted and published communications of US vice Secretary of State Victoria Nuland talking about installing a puppet government.

During the 2014 US orchestrated Maiden coupe US politicians landed in Ukraine to support the rioters, this would totally be unacceptable if Russian or Chinese politicians landed in say the US after Russian or Chinese sponsored rioters attacked the president.

 

[asianobserve]

Really? My grandfather and grandmother sitting on their homes were resistance? Kidnapping torturing and murdering mayors that said they only wanted piece was resistance? Banning all political opposition, shutting down news stations that are not loyal to the junta is resistance?

The Ukrainian government is a brute regime. All the things they do would be considered tyrannical and undemocratic but the shills in the west ignore everything and spread lies about Ukrainians being some free democracy when the government attacks the press and its own citizens.

No country is perfect, not the US, Philippines, India, etc. There is always room for improvement.But the fundamental fact remains that there was simply no justification for Putin to invade Ukraine.

As to neo Nazis, well Russia has them too, the US has neo Nazis, Germany has neo Nazis, etc. These are domestic problems of these countries.

 

[Waanar]

No country is perfect, not the US, Philippines, India, etc. There is always room for improvement.But the fundamental fact remains that there was simply no justification for Putin to invade Ukraine.

As to neo Nazis, well Russia has them too, the US has neo Nazis, Germany has neo Nazis, etc. These are domestic problems of these countries.

Russia may have neo-nazis much like America has KKK. They are an organic societal construct. Russia isn't arming them.
Please note- Russia’s new Federal Law No. 280-FZ prohibits the use or public display of Nazi symbols, speeches, or images of leaders or groups identified as criminal by the International Military Tribunal during the 1945-46 Nuremberg Trials.


Ukraine on the other hand, has armed their neo nazis and given them regions to govern, patrol and oversee.
That's institutional neo nazism and THAT, my friend, can be blamed on the government.
Not a bunch of common criminals who are not state sponsored.

 

[asianobserve]

Oh man, this is like reliving 1979 when I wasn't even born then.
Even the narrative is the same!

Let's replace Ukraine with Afghanistan in your comment and see if it sounds like a newspaper mini propaganda article from 79.

1. Russia invaded a peaceful weaker neighbor.

2. The weaker neighbor fought back and continue to fight back Russia with the suppor of friends.

3. Russia tries to install puppets through whom it can control Afghanistan, Afghanistan resists and eliminate Russian puppets.

This is a sovereign country fighting for its freedom. This is a story repeated in history. And Ukraine will win.

Glorious repeat of history.

Btw, about this point-


You do realize many of these so-called puppets are merely mayors formerly working under Ukraine who were forced to switch sides to prevent bloodshed and keep the governmental departments running lest essential needs of the regular Ukrainians go unfulfilled, right?
Few if any are actual FSB assets waiting to be activated when evil Putin calls.
Then, again, maybe that's too much to ask from some. Also funny you think that his wife was a Russian agent too.


Lastly, Geneva convention doesn't say non combatants (politicians) are legitimate targets.
If local mayors are legitimate targets, how is Zelensky not one?

Don't redefine "legitimate targets" according to your convenience.

I kept repeating the Afghanistan lessons even before Putin pulled the trigger in Ukraine. US hubris and crusading inclination made it try to succeed where the brute USSR failed in Afghanistan. It failed. So the lesson is clear. A determined resistance will crush even the most powerful invader. They will grind them down until they give up from too many body bags and economic losses.

As to these puppets, in the Philippines we had them too in WW2, we called them "collaborators." Some were executed while others survived to be tried and convicted after the war. But for working with the enemy, these collaborators are accomplices of the Ukraine invasion and thus must be stopped.

If nobody in Ukraine will collaborate with the Russians, the Russian will give up sooner and end Ukrainians' suffering sooner. That's the situation.

The point is Russia has no justification for invading a non-threatening weaker neighbor. This is medieval brute form of imperialism for territory.

 

[vishnugupt]

Look At the comedian's face No offense it looks like he is about to CRY

Mossad agent is still acting at his best. Once NeoNazi dead he will accept all offers.

Actually Zelenskyy is a double agent. He has been taking salary from CIA and worked for them in first half now he is working for Mossad goal.

It seems Europe would come out as a pinnacle of Stupidity in the end much far ahead than Zelenskyy.

After the war, Europe couldn't afford angering neither America nor Russia and will end up buying more weapons from America and more gass from Russia.

 

[Neptune]

No country is perfect, not the US, Philippines, India, etc. There is always room for improvement.But the fundamental fact remains that there was simply no justification for Putin to invade Ukraine.

As to neo Nazis, well Russia has them too, the US has neo Nazis, Germany has neo Nazis, etc. These are domestic problems of these countries.

Yep, I agree. From day one I condemned Putin. The difference is I’m consistent. The same people complaining about Putin were either silent when the US/NATO invaded or bombed Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan or supported it.

The west invaded and bombed countries for the most retarded of reasons such as fake WMDs and ‘freedom’. Yet most people were silent.

 

[Waanar]

I kept repeating the Afghanistan lessons even before Putin pulled the trigger in Ukraine. US hubris and crusading inclination made it try to succeed where the brute USSR failed in Afghanistan. It failed. So the lesson is clear. A determined resistance will crush even the most powerful invader. They will grind them down until they give up from too many body bags and economic losses.

As to these puppets, in the Philippines we had them too in WW2, we called them "collaborators." Some were executed while others survived to be tried and convicted after the war. But for working with the enemy, these collaborators are accomplices if the Ukraine invasion and thus must be stopped.

If nobody in Ukraine will collaborate with the Russians, the Russian will give up sooner and end Ukrainians' suffering sooner. That's the situation.

The point is Russia has no justificatiin for invading a non-threateblning weaker neighbor. This is medieval brute form of imperialism for territory.

Yeah, but who will disarm the neo nazis now?

While Russian justification of Nazism in Ukraine was a mere eyewash when they invaded, the atmosphere has changed and we'll see many more banderas as the country falls into disrepair and the ratio of combatant to civilians increases (most won't have an option but to pick sides).

The weapons handed out like candies and the radicalism among the populace won't disappear overnight.
Nor will the groups gaining relevance now.

Is there an end plan or has Murica left Europe with another low intensity simmer of an headache for the next few decades?

As to these puppets, in the Philippines we had them too in WW2, we called them "collaborators." Some were executed while others survived to be tried and convicted after the war. But for working with the enemy, these collaborators are accomplices of the Ukraine invasion and thus must be stopped.

This isn't WW2.
If this is your justification, how are Ukrainians any different from AQ and ISIS killing US installed governmental workers in Iraq or Taliban killing Afghan soldiers and policemen in Afghanistan?

 

[Blademaster]

really makes sense to balkanize (break up) Russia. It is too big and too valuable for some mongols/hun germans to hold the entire thing.
Russia = 17 million km2 145 million people pop dens 8.53 people/km2
North America = 24 million km2 580 million people 24.17 people/km2
South America = 17 million km2 420 million people 24.71 people/km2

Few migrate to poor Russia so obviously most people are migrating in order to take from and live off of others as opposed to seeking more space.

This is the ill intent of NATO. No wonder why Putin had every right to fear NATO expansion. Western powers were always seeking to break up Russia.

 

[asianobserve]

Yep, I agree. From day one I condemned Putin. The difference is I’m consistent. The same people complaining about Putin were either silent when the US/NATO invaded or bombed Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan or supported it.

The west invaded and bombed countries for the most retarded of reasons such as fake WMDs and ‘freedom’. Yet most people were silent.

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I was too young for Iraq 1, initially agreed with Iraq 2 but opposed it upon learning from media that there was no WMD, surprised and had no strong feelings for or against Lybia (maybe a little excited on the military aspect of it), supported Syria and Afghanistan.

The difference is that all these countries were undemocratic countries.

 

[Blademaster]

1. Russia invaded a peaceful weaker neighbor.

2. The weaker neighbor fought back and continue to fight back Russia with the suppor of friends.

3. Russia tries to install puppets through whom it can control Ukraine, Ukrainian resists and eliminate Russian puppets.

This is a sovereign country fighting for its freedom. This is a story repeated in history. And Ukraine will win.

1. Ukraine abused and murdered its own citizens and sought NATO expansion so it could keep doing those things. Russia preempted that by coming in to save those people. Ukraine is not a peaceful neighbor.

2. And Ukraine is losing more people than Russia.

3. Donbass and Luhansk have punished the Ukrainian overlords.

 

[Blademaster]

once they fight, defeat Russia and earn their freedom THEN they will be a free sovereign nation. Kind of like the USA did and the Filipinos tried to do (but then got shafted by the USA).

Can you say for the native americans in your own country? Are they even allowed to be a free sovereign nation? Yeah right. your hypocrisy is outstanding.

 

[asianobserve]

Ukrainians have prepared well, or if they did not thought of doing this before, then they're adjusting and improvising quickly....

 

[Varzone]

they are invaders from Asia. They are not native. They couldn't work metal so they certainly didn't make those big stone pyramids and cities. Pyramids of Egypt were made by the NOMES (Gnomes). Read about ancient egypt. btw Good luck with your cries of racism and equality...Dalits of India.

Aur kitna Gyan pelega Bhai...

 

[Blademaster]

Ukrainians have prepared well, or if they did not thought of doing this before, then they're adjusting and improvising quickly....

Man you don't realize what they did. They basically cut off their own lines which perfectly suits the Russians. It means that Russians can now lay a seige around the city and bypass the city, freeing more troops to be sent somewhere else.

Talk about tactically brilliant, strategically stupid. The Ukrainians have effectively locked themselves in.

 

[Varzone]

Wtf?
What do pyramids have to do with Native Americans?
And how were native Americans invaders from Asia?
And what the fuck are gnomes?
Also, @asianobserve why are you liking his comment? Are you even able to decipher wtf this dude is talking about or does some automated code take over you when you see white skin?

Shifting goal posts to shifting countries all together... Around the world in 80 characters

 

[Waanar]

Shifting goal posts to shifting countries all together... Around the world in 80 characters

I swear I wasn't going to go OT but dude slam dunked us with pyramids and gnomes and asian invading native Americans and the gods know what else.

At this point, I'm convinced he has schizo.