Raymond Davis saga in Pakistan

[Ray]

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Mr 10% made it a bigger issue to get a bigger amount of the blood money negotiated. Nice Diplomatic immunity example by Pakistan.

 

[Oracle]

Mr 10% made it a bigger issue to get a bigger share of the blood money.

 

[ganesh177]

Are you peeps reading the pakistanis mouring all over internet. Drama queens !
I am loving this.

 

[Oracle]

/\/\/\ Give em' Pakistanis some Indian made bangles Low lives!

 

[The Messiah]

Question to ask is how much ground USA has ceded to ISI/PA on 26/11 case/David headly issue/L-e-T as strategic weapon against india so that davis was set free.What was was the real deal that was agreed to in meeting between ISI and CIA.Blood money deal is only for public consumption.

You said only yesterday that pakistan would jail him for his crimes. I expect you to ignore this and pretend that never happened :thumb:

 

[Oracle]

You can now buy Pakistanis for money!
Rs 6-cr blood money paid, Raymond Davis freed

American Central Investigation Agency contractor Raymond Davis, arrested after he shot and killed two Pakistanis in January, was on Wednesday acquitted by a court after the families of the dead men agreed to a "blood money" deal and pardoned him.
Shortly after Additional District and Sessions Judge Yousuf Aujla indicted Davis on murder charges during in-camera proceedings at the Kot Lakhpat Jail, 18 relatives of the dead men appeared in the makeshift court and said they were willing to forgive the American if compensation was paid under the Qisas and Diyat Law.

"The relatives appeared in court and independently told the judge that they had accepted the diyat (compensation) and forgiven him," said Rana Sanaullah, the Law Minister of Punjab province.

"The court then acquitted him. The court proceedings were completed according to the law. The Punjab government didn't talk to anyone and we were not part of this arrangement," Sanaullah said.

Thirty-six-year-old Davis paid Rs 6 crore as diyat to the relatives of the dead men in the presence of the judge, the Geo News channel quoted its sources as saying. The relatives gave a written undertaking about accepting blood money and asked the judge to free Davis. The judge accepted this and acquitted Davis, the channel reported. Blood money is paid to the next of kin of a murder victim as a fine.

Sanaullah said that under Pakistani and Islamic laws, the relatives of the dead men had the legal right to accept diyat and forgive the accused.

"The government and the prosecutors cannot prevent that. The Punjab government had always said we would accept whatever decision is made by the court," he said. "The government cannot give orders to the judiciary," he added.

Judge Aujla also disposed of another case against Davis for illegal possession of a weapon, saying the time he had spent in prison would be considered as his punishment.

Davis paid a fine of Rs 30,000 in connection with this case on the orders of the court. Media reports said United States officials whisked Davis from the Kot Lakhpat jail soon after he was acquitted by the judge.

There were also reports that he would flown out of Pakistan on a special flight though this could not immediately be confirmed. Sources told PTI that the Saudi Arabian government played a key role in secret negotiations to arrange the blood-money deal to settle Davis' case, which had resulted in Pakistan-US ties plunging to a new low. The Saudi royal family played a key role in convincing Pakistan's radical groups and religious hardliners to agree to the deal, the sources said.

Noted political analyst Najam Sethi said Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif had played a "secret role" in getting the families of the dead men to agree to the blood-money deal. "The central government wanted such a deal and it would also be backed by the military," he said.

Davis was arrested in Lahore on January 27 after he shot and killed two armed men he claimed were trying to rob him. The police rejected Davis' claim of acting in self-defence and booked him for murder.

Pakistani leaders, fearful of a backlash due to rising anti-American sentiment, have said the matter should be settled by the courts. The case has been complicated by revelations that Davis was working as a security contractor for the CIA and that the men he killed were operatives of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency.

Source

 

[SHASH2K2]

Maybe Indian should also start negotiating price for killing each terrorist and his family . Perhaps we should give them generous offer of 10 crores rupees each. But I fear whole pakistan will be ready to die for that price.

 

[Oracle]

I say we do it for free as we are doing it in Kashmir. Charity work!

 

[SHASH2K2]

I say we do it for free as we are doing it in Kashmir. Charity work!

we are not beggars and should maintain standards . lets kill all terrorists in Pakistan and pay them in advance before their murder.

 

[Oracle]

You said only yesterday that pakistan would jail him for his crimes. I expect you to ignore this and pretend that never happened :thumb:

You expect too much! Pakistanis are known for their baseless arguments and then running away hiding their tails between their legs.

 

[Daredevil]

Cause for even more outrage among the common abduls

U.S. denies paid compensation over Pakistan killings


CAIRO | Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:46pm EDT



(Reuters) - The United States did not pay compensation to the families of two Pakistanis killed by a CIA contractor who was acquitted of their murder on Wednesday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said.


The contractor, Raymond Davis, 36, was acquitted and released by a Pakistani court after a deal to pay "blood money" to the victims' families, Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah told Reuters earlier on Wednesday.


Clinton told reporters in Cairo: "The United States did not pay any compensation." Asked who did, she replied: "You will have to ask the families."

She also refused to say if the Pakistani government had paid, saying: "You will have to ask the Pakistani government."
Earlier, Clinton expressed gratitude that the families had allowed Davis to leave Pakistan.


"The families of the victims of the January 27th incident pardoned Mr Davis and we are very grateful for their decision. We appreciate the actions that they took that enabled Mr. Davis to leave Pakistan and head back home," she added.


Davis shot dead the two Pakistanis in the eastern city of Lahore after what he described as an attempted armed robbery. He said he acted in self defense.


The case caused a long diplomatic standoff between Pakistan and the United States, which said Davis had diplomatic immunity and should have been immediately repatriated.


"We have communicated our strong support for the relationship between Pakistan and the United States which we consider to be of strategic importance and are looking forward to continuing to strengthen it based on mutual respect and common interest, " Clinton said.


Powerful religious parties in Pakistan condemned the release and analysts said there was a risk of a backlash against the government.

 

[mayfair]

So Pakistanis sell themselves again for "blood money". Well not a surprise since their history is replete with such moments. Just when you think that they can sink no lower.

If we take out Hafiz Saeed and his merry band, can we offer to pay blood money as well? 10 Pakistani rupees per head would be adequate me thinks.

 

[nitesh]

ray sir,

if you read the portions I posted from the link, there are 3 possibilities:

1. US paid the money and Davis was freed: the issue is that why the relatives and the lawyers were not allowed to come for hearing?
2. Davis ran away: well that is very much possible, some body might have bribed the officials and helped him in escaping, or more Davis like people might have came and shot there way out
3. To save face due to happening of second option they made up a story with fake relatives and all and now every one is happy

 

[ajtr]

Behind the scenes of Raymond Davis's release​

As March 16 dawned over Pakistan, perhaps no one except for the powers-that-be realized that Raymond Davis would soon be free.

Earlier in the morning, the Lahore Sessions Court had indicted Davis, a CIA contractor, for murder, after he allegedly shot dead Faizan Haider and Mohammad Faheem in Lahore this past January 27.

Hours later, the news broke that Davis was a free man, after he paid blood money to the families of Faizan and Faheem. According to Geo News, Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah announced that the families had forgiven Davis, and been paid blood money under the Shariah law of Qisas and Diyat. Another report aired on the channel said that 18 members of both families had announced in front of the judge in Kot Lakhpat jail that they had forgiven Raymond Davis, after which cash was handed over to the families. However, the families' lawyer Asad Manzoor Butt told Geo News that they were forcibly made to forgive Davis, after being led to jail by a man without identification.

Munawar Hasan, leader of the right-wing religious party Jamaat-e-Islami, reacted to the news by accusing the government of being slaves of the United States. "They should know that traitor governments do not last for very long," he said. "They have mocked the law, and the families were forcibly made to sign the Diyat document. Davis was involved with terrorist organizations, and yet they have let him go. The ISI claims to love the country, but they sell people to the States in exchange for dollars, they have failed in their love for the nation today." Hasan says protests against the release of Raymond Davis will be held in the major cities of Pakistan.

Conflicting reports have emerged about how much money has been paid to the families. Sources on various TV channels aired figures ranging from Rs. 60 million to Rs. 200 million (approximately $700,000 to $2,350,000). Davis's whereabouts are also unknown - Dunya News said he had flown to the United States, whereas Geo News claimed he had flown to Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. Another story attributed to "sources" on Geo News also said that Faizan's widow Zehra had allegedly left for the United States.

Ahsan Iqbal, member of the PML-N, a major opposition party in Pakistan headed by former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, told me in a telephone interview:

What has happened is between the families of the victims and the court and the law, if they have settled for the blood money under the law, then it is the law of the land. If the court has made a judgment we cannot challenge the judgement. However, it also shows that Davis didn't enjoy diplomatic immunity and his case was settled under Pakistan's law and not under the clauses of the diplomatic immunity.

Najam Sethi, a TV anchor and journalist, claimed on TV and Twitter that Punjab's Chief Minister and PML-N leader (and Nawaz Sharif's brother) Shahbaz Sharif had been involved in the negotiations between both parties. However, Iqbal denied the story to me, saying, "It has been very categorically clarified that Punjab government had nothing to do with the settlement, it is between the families and the accused."

Retired General Talat Masood, a defence analyst, told me that that Davis's release is a consequence of the smoothing over of relations between the CIA's and the ISI. "It's a good development, it demonstrates that both have come to an understanding about how they will operate with each other, and co-operate in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The ISI has also determined certain boundaries about how the CIA will operate in the country." Masood says that this was a difficult decision for Pakistan for many reasons, which include changing the Pakistan-U.S. relationship from co-operative to confrontational, and then dealing with the right-wing and religious parties' aggressive stance on Raymond Davis.

A senior security official in Pakistan, speaking under condition of anonymity, told me that, "The Americans had been working on this, they thought that this (the diyat law) was the only way out." And ISI and CIA relations? "The ISI has laid down their terms for reengagement of certain areas where they felt they'd been bypassed, and the other side realized that they needed them. Both agencies need each other."

While rumours and more conspiracy theories continue to swirl in the air, it is evident that Pakistan has emerged as the biggest winner from Davis's strange and sordid case. While the religious parties may cry themselves hoarse over sovereignty of the country and rule of law, the ISI in particular has the upper hand here, and has impressed upon the CIA to make it clear that they cannot run a network under the noses of the powerful spy agency. To use tennis lingo: Advantage: ISI. What happens in the next round is anyone's guess.

Huma Imtiaz works as a journalist in Pakistan and can be reached at [email protected]

 

[nitesh]

now the judge ran away:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/NewsDetail.aspx?ID=12750
Judge who heard Davis case goes on leave


LAHORE: Additional district and sessions judge (ASJ) Yousuf Ojla, who conducted hearing of US national Raymond Davis in a double murder case, has gone on leave, Geo News reported on Thursday.

 

[Tronic]

Retired General Talat Masood, a defence analyst, told me that that Davis's release is a consequence of the smoothing over of relations between the CIA's and the ISI. "It's a good development, it demonstrates that both have come to an understanding about how they will operate with each other, and co-operate in Pakistan and Afghanistan. The ISI has also determined certain boundaries about how the CIA will operate in the country." Masood says that this was a difficult decision for Pakistan for many reasons, which include changing the Pakistan-U.S. relationship from co-operative to confrontational, and then dealing with the right-wing and religious parties' aggressive stance on Raymond Davis.

A senior security official in Pakistan, speaking under condition of anonymity, told me that, "The Americans had been working on this, they thought that this (the diyat law) was the only way out." And ISI and CIA relations? "The ISI has laid down their terms for reengagement of certain areas where they felt they'd been bypassed, and the other side realized that they needed them. Both agencies need each other."

While rumours and more conspiracy theories continue to swirl in the air, it is evident that Pakistan has emerged as the biggest winner from Davis's strange and sordid case. While the religious parties may cry themselves hoarse over sovereignty of the country and rule of law, the ISI in particular has the upper hand here, and has impressed upon the CIA to make it clear that they cannot run a network under the noses of the powerful spy agency. To use tennis lingo: Advantage: ISI. What happens in the next round is anyone's guess.

Huma Imtiaz works as a journalist in Pakistan and can be reached at [email protected]

Spy agencies do not ask for permission to conduct their operations in other countries. CIA will continue to do what they want under the ISI's nose just as they had been previously. ISI may have got some cookies in the Afghan scenario, but it is totally amusing that the Pakistanis believe they have made the CIA promise to only spy in Pakistani approved boundaries.

Pakistanis are constantly made fools out of by their government, and this article is just another example. Some defence analyst that!

 

[ajtr]

Diyat or blood money pay up story is just for public consumption.What is to be paid attention to is what was agreed between cia and isi in oman meeting.And if past trends to go by like that of after 1992 mumbai blasts. or 1999 plane hijacking or 2002 parliament attack or 26/11 it was always the isi which had the last laugh.Dawood still at large running mumbai mafia with active help from isi even in 2011 from outside,IA plane hijackers are still roaming free along with Azhar masood.less said about parliament attack the better.and the way 26/11 cases are proceeding i dont in pakistan will soon wrrigle out of it too.and check out how usa made india to pay for all this instead of pakistan paying up all pressure was on india as wikileaks reports suggests.Remember it was in 2009 when pak accepted kasab was pakistani but it successfully able to move all the blame away from PA/ISI.And till date it never accepted other 9 were pakistanis.Hafiz saeed is free as usual.And L-e-t running its business as usual with punjab govt openly giving fund to it from its budget.

People in india will come to know with in next 2-3 years about how usa sold out indian concerns in oman meet between CIA and ISI.

 

[ajtr]

Spy agencies do not ask for permission to conduct their operations in other countries. CIA will continue to do what they want under the ISI's nose just as they had been previously. ISI may have got some cookies in the Afghan scenario, but it is totally amusing that the Pakistanis believe they have made the CIA promise to only spy in Pakistani approved boundaries.

Pakistanis are constantly made fools out of by their government, and this article is just another example. Some defence analyst that!

wat left unsaid is cia sell out of afghanistan and india.Wat i think is pakistan always wanted the greater say in afghanistan and whenever usa tried to go alone in AFPAK,ISI turned the table on CIA-like the arrests of Mullah Baradar last year.Sucide attack on CIA in afghanistan in which CIA head Spy-lady died.... I think Raymond davis case is also part of same game coz the two guys davis killed were isi sleuths.

 

[nitesh]

Diyat or blood money pay up story is just for public consumption.What is to be paid attention to is what was agreed between cia and isi in oman meeting.And if past trends to go by like that of after 1992 mumbai blasts. or 1999 plane hijacking or 2002 parliament attack or 26/11 it was always the isi which had the last laugh.Dawood still at large running mumbai mafia with active help from isi even in 2011 from outside,IA plane hijackers are still roaming free along with Azhar masood.less said about parliament attack the better.and the way 26/11 cases are proceeding i dont in pakistan will soon wrrigle out of it too.and check out how usa made india to pay for all this instead of pakistan paying up all pressure was on india as wikileaks reports suggests.Remember it was in 2009 when pak accepted kasab was pakistani but it successfully able to move all the blame away from PA/ISI.And till date it never accepted other 9 were pakistanis.Hafiz saeed is free as usual.And L-e-t running its business as usual with punjab govt openly giving fund to it from its budget.

People in india will come to know with in next 2-3 years about how usa sold out indian concerns in oman meet between CIA and ISI.

So as long as India is some how getting hurt, people of pakistan (oops army and ISI )are happy.