Rajputs in medieval age - battles and discussions

[asingh10]

I guess they are both heroes and villains.

they saved India from Arabs and mostly turks but they sided with mutuals to secure their rule on Rajputana.

Pure nonsense peddled by serials like Jodha-Akbar.There was a 30 year Rajput-Mughal war that happened during reign of Aurangzeb under the leadership of Durgadas Rathore. Maharaja Chattarsaal who liberated Bundelkhand. Even the treacherous ones like Jai Singh and other Rajput commanders who joined Mughals were alleged to have a soft corner for Shivaji. Aurangzeb held Jai Singh responsible for Shivaji's escape, and poisoned him to death.

 

[Bornubus]

@Bornubus Now a bong comes up with the theory of muslim Rajput

There is a whole nation of Bong Muslims some 150 millions.

 

[asingh10]

Excerpt of letter sent by Shivaji to Jai Singh urging for an alliance :-

This also puts to rest any claims made by secularists like Aakar Patel that Shivaji's war against Mughals was not religious in nature or he was a regionalist not interested in anything past Maharashtra.

 

[maomao]

Excerpt of letter sent by Shivaji to Jai Singh urging for an alliance :-

This also puts to rest any claims made by secularists like Aakar Patel that Shivaji's war against Mughals was not religious in nature or he was a regionalist not interested in anything past Maharashtra.

Sir, Aakar Patel is one of those islamists who hide behind the left to peddle their anti-Hindu agenda, why give these sly people any importance! His only agenda is to make ancient Hindus look like a naked race of destitute uncivilized people who required a dose of islam to become civilized (I know this sounds ironical, however that's the agenda proved by the leftist / marxist discourse)! Why give importance to this tag team of islamist-leftists?

 

[angeldude13]

Excerpt of letter sent by Shivaji to Jai Singh urging for an alliance :-

This also puts to rest any claims made by secularists like Aakar Patel that Shivaji's war against Mughals was not religious in nature or he was a regionalist not interested in anything past Maharashtra.

That's why The Great Chatrapati Shivaji will be first in my list of top ten heroes.
A true visionary leader for which you'll give your life

 

[asingh10]

Last words of Shivaji Maharaj -

आम्ही जातो, आमचा काल झाला,
तूम्ही सप्तसिंधू, सप्तगंगा मूक्त करा,
काशीचा श्री विश्वेश्वर सोडवा,
बारा जोतिर्लिंग या यवनांच्या हातून मूक्त करा,
हिंदवी स्वराज्यात आणा,चूकूर होऊ नका

- Chaitra PaurNima of 1680

Translation :- I leave, its my time to go. Liberate saptasindhu, saptaganga (?) from yavans, rescue kashi vishwanatha and other jyotirlingams. Bring them in Hindavi Swaraj.

 

[asingh10]

Sir, Aakar Patel is one of those islamists who hide behind the left to peddle their anti-Hindu agenda, why give these sly people any importance! His only agenda is to make ancient Hindus look like a naked race of destitute uncivilized people who required a dose of islam to become civilized (I know this sounds ironical, however that's the agenda proved by the leftist / marxist discourse)! Why give importance to this tag team of islamist-leftists?

Some people have started internalizing this propaganda though including some Maratha leaders.

 

[asingh10]

That's why The Great Chatrapati Shivaji will be first in my list of top ten heroes.
A true visionary leader for which you'll give your life

A hero is a hero, no need to fight on his region/caste. Ahom general Lachit Borphukan who hammered Aurangzeb's army in NE is also one of my heroes.

 

[angeldude13]

A hero is a hero, no need to fight on his region/caste. Ahom general Lachin Borphukhan who hammered Aurangzeb's army in NE is also one of my heroes.

Googling Lachin Borphukhan
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[rockey 71]

Excerpt of letter sent by Shivaji to Jai Singh urging for an alliance :-

This also puts to rest any claims made by secularists like Aakar Patel that Shivaji's war against Mughals was not religious in nature or he was a regionalist not interested in anything past Maharashtra.

No Rajput would agree that Shivaji was theirs. No Maratha would agree that Shivaji was not a Maratha. And Rajputs do not accept Marathas to be theirs - although many Marathas claim themselves to be Rajput.

 

[Dreamhunter]

No Rajput would agree that Shivaji was theirs. No Maratha would agree that Shivaji was not a Maratha. And Rajputs do not accept Marathas to be theirs - although many Marathas claim themselves to be Rajput.

You do not get it. Of course Shivaji was not a Rajput. But the main reason why many people
respect Shivaji is because Shivaji had a vision of an united India. He wanted to liberate Hindustan
from Turkic rule. For this goal he encouraged all the Indians irrespective of their castes or origin to
unify against the Turkic invaders. Shivaji had a lot of respect for the Vijayanagar Empire which defended
southern India against the Turkic invaders and Shivaji also had a lot of respect for the Sisodia Rajputs
as they were descendants of Maharana Pratap who fought the Mughals until his death.

 

[asingh10]

No Rajput would agree that Shivaji was theirs. No Maratha would agree that Shivaji was not a Maratha. And Rajputs do not accept Marathas to be theirs - although many Marathas claim themselves to be Rajput.

Many aligned with Marathas, like the Bundela Rajputs under Maharaja Chattarsaal. Also, it was Man Singh Rathod of Jodhpur who proposed to forge a Rajput-Jat-Holkar-Sikh-Gorkha alliance to fight British.

Anyway, these past rivalries are more or less immaterial today. Don't act oversmart and delude yourself into thinking that you can exploit our caste/regional differences (like you used to in the past) and succeed today. You didn't succeed in the past and you'll certainly not succeed today.

 

[Bornubus]

No Rajput would agree that Shivaji was theirs. No Maratha would agree that Shivaji was not a Maratha. And Rajputs do not accept Marathas to be theirs - although many Marathas claim themselves to be Rajput.

Asad 71/Rocky 71 ..... That was 17th century.

The narrative in 2015 is Musalman vs Non Musalman all over the world ,those Indian Musalman (local Hindu converts) whose allegiance lies in India, we consider them our brothers and if not or if they follow the Ummah Bullcrap cheering for pak are the legitimate targets.


300000 ~ Musalman killed in Syria alone,every day non Musalman (Russia,US) kill thousands of Musalman in Airstrikes.

You have no business in this thread, remember your worth as a Rohingya musalman,i know your post from piss forum, how you act as a thekedar of South Asian Musalman including Indians.

 

[flamboyant]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabul_Shahi

Yes, yes. Saying such things will mean you get a place even lower than Shudra in the next life.

The numerous clans, more or less devoted to war, grouped together under the name of Râjpûts (literally 'king's sons'), are in reality of multifarious origin, and include representatives of many races.They are the Kshatriyas of the law-books, and are still often called Chattrî (_E.H.I._, 3rd ed., pp. 407-15).

Rambles and Recollections of an Indian Official
Author: William Sleeman

 

[rockey 71]

You do not get it. Of course Shivaji was not a Rajput. But the main reason why many people
respect Shivaji is because Shivaji had a vision of an united India. He wanted to liberate Hindustan
from Turkic rule. For this goal he encouraged all the Indians irrespective of their castes or origin to
unify against the Turkic invaders. Shivaji had a lot of respect for the Vijayanagar Empire which defended
southern India against the Turkic invaders and Shivaji also had a lot of respect for the Sisodia Rajputs
as they were descendants of Maharana Pratap who fought the Mughals until his death.

The Mughals, whom you call Turkic, never saw themselves as outsiders. Shivaji had his personal issues with Aurangzeb, but by and large people of Hindustan were loyal to the Mughal rulers who were loved for being just, affectionate and fair

 

[rockey 71]

Asad 71/Rocky 71 ..... That was 17th century.

The narrative in 2015 is Musalman vs Non Musalman all over the world ,those Indian Musalman (local Hindu converts) whose allegiance lies in India, we consider them our brothers and if not or if they follow the Ummah Bullcrap cheering for pak are the legitimate targets.


300000 ~ Musalman killed in Syria alone,every day non Musalman (Russia,US) kill thousands of Musalman in Airstrikes.

You have no business in this thread, remember your worth as a Rohingya musalman,i know your post from piss forum, how you act as a thekedar of South Asian Musalman including Indians.

http://int.search.tb.ask.com/search...r=video++Muslims++to++overtake++world++popula

Wonder what is the Fertility Rate of India/

 

[asingh10]

The Mughals, whom you call Turkic, never saw themselves as outsiders. Shivaji had his personal issues with Aurangzeb, but by and large people of Hindustan were loyal to the Mughal rulers who were loved for being just, affectionate and fair

Contrary to what you are saying, India was full of revolts when Mughals were in Delhi. Shivaji wasn't the only one who had "issues". What is the history of Mughals with Sikh gurus ? Sikhs, Ahoms, Marathas, Rajputs, Gorkhas, Pahadi Rajas, Satnamis, Jats, and numerous other groups had revolted against the Mughals.

Here's Jahangir in his memoirs on the # of rebellions & the numbers slaughtered to put them down :-

https://books.google.com/books?id=KhZfAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA128

 

[Bornubus]

http://int.search.tb.ask.com/search...r=video++Muslims++to++overtake++world++popula

Wonder what is the Fertility Rate of India/

Indian Musalman growth rate already declined in last census 2011,google it,also according to pew research there will be 300 million Muslims by 2050 against 1.3 Billion Hindus and Sikhs.

Moreover when Incidents like Gujratis,Muzzarfarnagar happen time to time,nobody checks the fertility rate.Muslim Kashmir under our boot is an example of it.

As for Muslim being the largest religion of the world in few decades,we keep our middle finger ready as they will always be outnumbered by Non Muslims by 5:1

Anyway considering your 1.5 billion population,how do you see Palestine, Gujrat,Kashmir,Chechenya,Arakan (Rohingya) ?

 

[AnantS]

The Mughals, whom you call Turkic, never saw themselves as outsiders. Shivaji had his personal issues with Aurangzeb, but by and large people of Hindustan were loyal to the Mughal rulers who were loved for being just, affectionate and fair

That's a Big Bullshit statement!!! I am not even a maratha or belong to that region, but my native region had huge issues with bigoted backward inbred Mughals and fought them! Marathas even had alliance with Sikhs against Ahmad Shah Durrani saw both marching and occupying Lahore! Mughals ruled cities, and had tough time ruling bad lands of Punjab, Bihar, Maharashtra and South. In the central India, bhils and some rajputs gave them tough time! Himalyan states were mostly insular to Mughal rule, due to tough terrain and Guerrilla tactics of natives.

Mughals are romanticized only by Indian Commies, Congis & confused Indian subcontinent muzzies: who seek & search to established elusive kinship with any foreign chor katuas who invaded, plundered and most of the time R@ped/forced their way into Bharat(India + Pakistan + Bangladesh).

The only worthwhile Mughal ever produced was Dara Shikoh, but he was not muslim enough for Indian subcontinent muzzies, since he put in efforts in actually harmonizing inter faith relations, and did not fall into "Islam Khatre main" crap trap of maulvis. He is not even remembered by Indian Commies, Congis & confused Indian subcontinent muzzies

 

[AnantS]

Now for this thread on Rajput. You can replace Rajput with any other ethnic tribe/caste/group be that of Peshwas, Mohyals, Jats, Marathas, Shahi etc, same statements and arguments will hold true for the other groups too! Power corrupts!! Be it Hindu, Muslim or Christian! Instead of these threads where members fight among themselves. We ought to have a thread discussing and collating reasons why Hindu Kings /Empires rose and fell! Lets deduce common factors & isolate unique local factors.