PC Hardware, Desktops, Laptops and building a Gaming Rig

[A chauhan]

Is R7 5800X (8 core 16 thread) @28000/-₹ a good option with a cheap mobo (7k one) as of now ? Can you call it future proof ?

Ryzen 7000 is about to be launched but with hefty prices and with costly motherboards, DDR5 rams will also be costly. Cheap motherboards and budget CPU well come later.

So the cost you save with AM5 (upgrade path) platform will be eclipsed by costly components. So can the above config act as a 5-8 year future proof PC for all round performance ?

 

[SKC]

Is R7 5800X (8 core 16 thread) @28000/-₹ a good option with a cheap mobo (7k one) as of now ? Can you call it future proof ?

Ryzen 7000 is about to be launched but with hefty prices and with costly motherboards, DDR5 rams will also be costly. Cheap motherboards and budget CPU well come later.

Nothing is future proof in PC market. A PC component becomes outdated the moment you buy it.

Just finalise the usage and buy whatever available at decent cost in the market. Decide whether you want to game at 2K, 4K or just Full HD will do for you. 90% of the time Full-HD is more than enough for gaming.

 

[A chauhan]

Nothing is future proof in PC market. A PC component becomes outdated the moment you buy it.

Just finalise the usage and buy whatever available at decent cost in the market. Decide whether you want to game at 2K, 4K or just Full HD will do for you. 90% of the time Full-HD is more than enough for gaming.

I just saw that R7 5800x had prices dropped to 28k which is the launch price of R5 5600x, I have i3 6100 with a cheap mobo, which lasted 5 years nicely. I played many top games with it, now it is dying. Earlier I wanted to by AM5 mobile with Ryzen 7000 processor so that I can upgrade the processor with the same mobo.

But the news is AM5 will be supported for 3 years, and I won't be changing processor in 3 years. Plus the cost of new platform is high, so I gave a thought after seeing price drop for 5000 series which is still a good cpu series.

 

[johnj]

Is R7 5800X (8 core 16 thread) @28000/-₹ a good option with a cheap mobo (7k one) as of now ? Can you call it future proof ?

Ryzen 7000 is about to be launched but with hefty prices and with costly motherboards, DDR5 rams will also be costly. Cheap motherboards and budget CPU well come later.

So the cost you save with AM5 (upgrade path) platform will be eclipsed by costly components. So can the above config act as a 5-8 year future proof PC for all round performance ?

future proof - its depend on you.
Consider cpu- at least 5 years for normal high end use
Low mobo - not. you need to find a better mobo, costs around 15k~20k considering tdp, future proof with 3+ warranty. and also with great smps.
If you go with low mobo, it won't last long, considering R7 5800X under heavy conditions- 3~4 years max.
all round performance ? with out considering 3d/graphic, ie gpu , mid/high end mobo with R7 5800X last for 5/6 years without any issue with great build smps under normal conditions[considering zero manufacturing defects].
Consider laptop also, and in case of PC, start with choosing, SMPS, MoBo, CPU, RAM, M.2, etc.

 

[johnj]

I just saw that R7 5800x had prices dropped to 28k which is the launch price of R5 5600x, I have i3 6100 with a cheap mobo, which lasted 5 years nicely. I played many top games with it, now it is dying. Earlier I wanted to by AM5 mobile with Ryzen 7000 processor so that I can upgrade the processor with the same mobo.

But the news is AM5 will be supported for 3 years, and I won't be changing processor in 3 years. Plus the cost of new platform is high, so I gave a thought after seeing price drop for 5000 series which is still a good cpu series.

Life time of all mobo are 3 years, intel, amd support mobo chips for 3 years .
Build quality of mobo & smps mainly determine how long PC last, normally 5 years to 8 years under standard conditions.

 

[Physx32]

Is R7 5800X (8 core 16 thread) @28000/-₹ a good option with a cheap mobo (7k one) as of now ? Can you call it future proof ?

Ryzen 7000 is about to be launched but with hefty prices and with costly motherboards, DDR5 rams will also be costly. Cheap motherboards and budget CPU well come later.

So the cost you save with AM5 (upgrade path) platform will be eclipsed by costly components. So can the above config act as a 5-8 year future proof PC for all round performance ?

5800x is enough for gaming and should last 4 years at least. Also, see if you can get 5800x3d at <35k.

 

[archie]

Get a 5700x. Its a better deal than 5800x .

5800x has a bug/power hungry PBO Profile and will always stay boosted even sitting at desktop causing higher temps and higher power draw.. Sad owner of a 5800x.

5800x 3D should be better as well it has a trimmed PBO

 

[johnj]

Get a 5700x. Its a better deal than 5800x .

5800x has a bug/power hungry PBO Profile and will always stay boosted even sitting at desktop causing higher temps and higher power draw.. Sad owner of a 5800x.

5800x 3D should be better as well it has a trimmed PBO

5800x having 105W TDP, & 5700X having 65W TDP, disabling PBO may help to reduce TDP under low/medium loads. 5800x need custom cooler [inr 3500 or above] and a better Mobo compared to 5700x.
5800x 3D same like 5800x with 105W TDP, with reduced PBO with huge L3 cache, designed for 3d/video editing [multiple display/gpu], means same bug/power hungry PBO Profile. [disable pbo, 3.8 ghz can handle most of high end task, and consider cooler around 3500 inr plus, a better cooler help to reduce temps, 5500 inr with PBO enabled, higher power draw - [nothing can do]cpu most of time touch max tdp, it is not a fault of PBO, a limitation of AMD]
for high end gaming, 5700x, 5800x, 3d gives identical results, difference +/- 4%.
Anyways, you are right, 5700x with 8500 inr mobo are good choice, with a high end gpu[3070].

 

[archie]

5800x having 105W TDP, & 5700X having 65W TDP, disabling PBO may help to reduce TDP under low/medium loads. 5800x need custom cooler [inr 3500 or above] and a better Mobo compared to 5700x.
5800x 3D same like 5800x with 105W TDP, with reduced PBO with huge L3 cache, designed for 3d/video editing [multiple display/gpu], means same bug/power hungry PBO Profile. [disable pbo, 3.8 ghz can handle most of high end task, and consider cooler around 3500 inr plus, a better cooler help to reduce temps, 5500 inr with PBO enabled, higher power draw - [nothing can do]cpu most of time touch max tdp, it is not a fault of PBO, a limitation of AMD]
for high end gaming, 5700x, 5800x, 3d gives identical results, difference +/- 4%.
Anyways, you are right, 5700x with 8500 inr mobo are good choice, with a high end gpu[3070].

Please Check this

"Also of note are the last two processors – both processors are reporting 4450 MHz all-core turbo frequency, however the 5800X is doing it with 14.55 W per core, but the 5600X can do it with only 10.20 W per core. In this instance, this seems that the voltage of the 5800X is a lot higher than the other processors, and this is forcing higher thermals – we were measuring 90ºC at full load after 30 seconds (compared to 73ºC on the 5600X or 64ºC on the 5950X), which might be stunting the frequency here. The motherboard might be over-egging the voltage a little here, going way above what is actually required for the core."

AMD Zen 3 Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X Tested

www.anandtech.com

5800x for Some weird reason always used more power for the same work. Maybe a yield issue 5700x provides 99% of 5800x with way better efficiency

 

[johnj]

Please Check this

"Also of note are the last two processors – both processors are reporting 4450 MHz all-core turbo frequency, however the 5800X is doing it with 14.55 W per core, but the 5600X can do it with only 10.20 W per core. In this instance, this seems that the voltage of the 5800X is a lot higher than the other processors, and this is forcing higher thermals – we were measuring 90ºC at full load after 30 seconds (compared to 73ºC on the 5600X or 64ºC on the 5950X), which might be stunting the frequency here. The motherboard might be over-egging the voltage a little here, going way above what is actually required for the core."

AMD Zen 3 Ryzen Deep Dive Review: 5950X, 5900X, 5800X and 5600X Tested

www.anandtech.com

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5800x for Some weird reason always used more power for the same work. Maybe a yield issue 5700x provides 99% of 5800x with way better efficiency

Yes, that is what I said before ''it is not a fault of PBO, a limitation of AMD'' and it is normal with all cpu/gpu/hybrid etc.
Do the match, 14.55 x 8 = 116.4, when close to high high temp, 90ºC, [bad cooling unit], max tdp= 105W
10.20 x 6 = 61.2, when temp is normal & above, 73ºC, max tdl= 65W
64ºC on the 5950X = normal temp[high end].
Max. Operating Temperature of CPU = 95ºC.
Buy a better cooling unit around 6k or liquid [best considering test] to keep under 105W. Its AMDs fault, not CPU. ''you are right, 5700x with 8500 inr mobo are good choice '' 5700x tdp = 65W, means it take less power per core 8W vs r5 5600x, but I trust cpu cooler than AMD. [i trust intel in these case]. Always buy a better cooler than the ones provide by amd, for high end.
Also= The motherboard might be over-egging the voltage a little here, going way above what is actually required for the core. , its MoBo fault also.

 

[archie]

Yes, that is what I said before ''it is not a fault of PBO, a limitation of AMD'' and it is normal with all cpu/gpu/hybrid etc.
Do the match, 14.55 x 8 = 116.4, when close to high high temp, 90ºC, [bad cooling unit], max tdp= 105W
10.20 x 6 = 61.2, when temp is normal & above, 73ºC, max tdl= 65W
64ºC on the 5950X = normal temp[high end].
Max. Operating Temperature of CPU = 95ºC.
Buy a better cooling unit around 6k or liquid [best considering test] to keep under 105W. Its AMDs fault, not CPU. ''you are right, 5700x with 8500 inr mobo are good choice '' 5700x tdp = 65W, means it take less power per core 8W vs r5 5600x, but I trust cpu cooler than AMD. [i trust intel in these case]. Always buy a better cooler than the ones provide by amd, for high end.
Also= The motherboard might be over-egging the voltage a little here, going way above what is actually required for the core. , its MoBo fault also.

No You are missing the Point.. 5800x has some weird silicon Lottery or PBO Config which keeps gunning the CPU with Mad Voltage Lvls Causing the processor to hit the same Frequency as 5900 or 5950x but at much higher wattage causing more Heat for same Performance . Its 14.55 Watts per core to achieve 4.825 Ghz

5950x does it at 6.12 Watts Per core .

5700x is 95~100% of performance @ half the wattage/Power Consumption

Setting PBO limits at 65w on 5800x cuts performance by 20%

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X Review

With performance rivaling the Ryzen 7 5800X at a lower price, AMD's Ryzen 7 5700X is arguably the best value in the Ryzen 7 5000 series, but it can't quite stand up to Intel's new "Alder Lake" processors.

www.pcmag.com

 

[johnj]

No You are missing the Point.. 5800x has some weird silicon Lottery or PBO Config which keeps gunning the CPU with Mad Voltage Lvls Causing the processor to hit the same Frequency as 5900 or 5950x but at much higher wattage causing more Heat for same Performance . Its 14.55 Watts per core to achieve 4.825 Ghz

5950x does it at 6.12 Watts Per core .

5700x is 95~100% of performance @ half the wattage/Power Consumption

Setting PBO limits at 65w on 5800x cuts performance by 20%

AMD Ryzen 7 5700X Review

With performance rivaling the Ryzen 7 5800X at a lower price, AMD's Ryzen 7 5700X is arguably the best value in the Ryzen 7 5000 series, but it can't quite stand up to Intel's new "Alder Lake" processors.

www.pcmag.com

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I missed that point, its under OC mode, and its normal to exceed tdp, again its normal, its MoBo fault or user specified, from the article its MoBo fault, not 5800x fault. It is normal to all OC capable cpus, including i7x/i9/r9/TR. Every thing is normal, no need to worry.
Rest what your are saying is the fault of AMD, lots of issue with extra clocked versions, which include 5800x , 5950x etc in the case of temp. In the case of voltage, what are you except from 105w/142w cpu which is 15% better than 65w/88w cpu ? Every thing is normal, including voltage, but having issue with temp.
Voltage/wattage is consumption normal, but temp not.
Under high conditions, single core power draw default/+ 20~40% extra mobo default
5600x = 10.8x
5700x = 8.1w
5800x = 13.2w
5800x 3d = 13.2w
5900x = 8.7w
5950x = 6.6w
In article, both 5600x & 5800x maxout, all cores, hence normal to exceed limits, but r9 unknown, and with in the limits, every thing is normal except temp, advantage, now users of 5800x consider selling 5800x and buy 5900x.
5600/5600x[6core], 5700x[8core] and 5900x[12core] are good cpu in 5xxx series.
Its not the CPU causing the problem, but MoBo, your issue lies in MoBo not CPU, its MoBo fault like the article said, not the CPU, only issue with cpu is temp, its touch 90c. Default for Socket AM4 is at least 142W on motherboards rated for 105W TDP processors. 5800x behaving like a normal oc cpu , and every oc cpu does the same, if extra voltage is provided by mobo, nothing new here, every thing is normal.
You can disable oc/boost or reduce voltage level in mobo[not cpu], to reduce watt usage. You can choose b/w reduced performance or reduced voltage or sell 5800x & buy 5700x. [I consider last one]

 

[johnj]

Is R7 5800X (8 core 16 thread) @28000/-₹ a good option with a cheap mobo (7k one) as of now ? Can you call it future proof ?

Ryzen 7000 is about to be launched but with hefty prices and with costly motherboards, DDR5 rams will also be costly. Cheap motherboards and budget CPU well come later.

So the cost you save with AM5 (upgrade path) platform will be eclipsed by costly components. So can the above config act as a 5-8 year future proof PC for all round performance ?

Don't buy R7 5800X, buy R7 5700X with mobo 7/8k inr. Its 5 year future proof. Buy cup cooler around 4.5k and don't forget to buy 512 b m.2 nvme & 2x ram.
R7 5800X having high temp issue.

 

[A chauhan]

Don't buy R7 5800X, buy R7 5700X with mobo 7/8k inr. Its 5 year future proof. Buy cup cooler around 4.5k and don't forget to buy 512 b m.2 nvme & 2x ram.
R7 5800X having high temp issue.

Yeah right.
Btw i5 12600k is also one of the best options I just came to know. 26k is the price. It's a gem from Intel.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Yeah right.
Btw i5 12600k is also one of the best options I just came to know. 26k is the price. It's a gem from Intel.

Whatever you buy just make sure to buy an aftermarket cooler it's so damn important

 

[archie]

Yeah right.
Btw i5 12600k is also one of the best options I just came to know. 26k is the price. It's a gem from Intel.

12600k is a power hungry monster. No CPU from Intel can match performance per watt with AMD today.

Intel Uses roughly 25% more power for the same performance

The Intel Core i7-12700K and Core i5-12600K Review: High Performance For the Mid-Range

www.anandtech.com

 

[johnj]

Yeah right.
Btw i5 12600k is also one of the best options I just came to know. 26k is the price. It's a gem from Intel.

yes, it is. Both are good, only issue is price. Also intel good mobo for i5 starts around 15k, may be you can buy one around 10k with discount. Intel mobo chips expensive than AMDs.
Also don't give a lot of importance to max power used by by CPU, CPUs rarely touch that limit, and focus on performance you need. r7 5800x having temp issue, it don't cause any major problem with cpu, but if you consider all temp produced by cpu/ram/ssd/gpu, its a lot.

 

[johnj]

12600k is a power hungry monster. No CPU from Intel can match performance per watt with AMD today.

Intel Uses roughly 25% more power for the same performance

The Intel Core i7-12700K and Core i5-12600K Review: High Performance For the Mid-Range

www.anandtech.com

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Thanks for the post.
Conclusion of the article- ''In the majority of our science-based benchmarks, both the Core i7 and Core i5 did well. The only benchmarks that didn't favor the 12th Gen Core series processors were in 3DPM 2.1, but more specifically in the AVX test. '
You already how bad is 5800x, and 5700x is the best with max power around 87w, but i choose i5 12600k over 5700x, becz overall average power usage by i5 in b/w 5700x & 5800x[with some high end gaming]
i5 12600k having 2 different type of cores.

 

[Kumata]

Nothing is future proof in PC market. A PC component becomes outdated the moment you buy it.

Just finalise the usage and buy whatever available at decent cost in the market. Decide whether you want to game at 2K, 4K or just Full HD will do for you. 90% of the time Full-HD is more than enough for gaming.

golden words. This bench marks et all does nothing than putting one in more confusion ... Buy to your requirement and be happy..

 

[A chauhan]

For those who are waiting for Zen4 and AM5 :-

1. It won't support DDR4 RAM, your existing RAM will be useless. DDR5s are costly and performance difference is not that much.

2. AM5 will be costly for at least 6 months almost comparable to intel mobos, let's hope otherwise.

3. AMD isn't releasing budget CPUs as of now.

4. Intel also has very good affordable processors.

8k se 10k ka extra kharcha.

Should Zen4 and AM5 be waited ?