Pakistan's Descent into Chaos: Terrorist & Drone Attacks

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What would US gain from such targeting of civilian population, Giving a fact that operating a Drone have higher operational cost than operating a Gunship, It is simple absurd to say US killing civilian population in frustration..

And regarding similar statement were told before Bin Laden capture, Beside him there are many more leaders were killed inside Pakistan before via drone attacks, What makes world think that this time Pakistani aka Terrorist officials are making true statements.. ?

Tangos always and always take advantage of Civilian as Shield, If Pakistan is not killing them for its own beliefs than US will continue to attack Terrorist Soil via Drones..
Point here is whom usa is targeting in pukhtoon lands when most of high profiled alqaida and taliban targets were killed or captured from punjab and sindh.so why no drones are flying on there lets say south punjab-any idea?
 

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NO.After 9/11 war reached its zenith and from there usa defeat has started.
Do you mean to say after 9/11 War against innocent suicide bombers started and US is being defeated because those lunatics are attaining afterlife delusion free of cost? :lol:
 

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Point here is whom usa is targeting in pukhtoon lands when most of high profiled alqaida and taliban targets were killed or captured from punjab and sindh.so why no drones are flying on there lets say south punjab-any idea?
Plenty of Ideas:

Reaching 'limits of patience’, US warns Pakistan - The Times of India
Can't Go After Terrorists Hiding in Pakistan: Karimi | The Daily Outlook Afghanistan
Durand Line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pakistan and state terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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From dreams to drones: who is the real Barack Obama?

From dreams to drones: who is the real Barack Obama?
As the latest US attacks kill 17 and threaten to destabilise Pakistan, the president could be the cruellest political hoax of our times
By Pankaj Mishra


Barack Obama, according to Foreign Policy magazine, "has become George W Bush on steroids". Armed with a "kill list", the Nobel peace laureate now hosts "Tuesday terror" meetings at the White House to discuss targets of drone attacks in Pakistan and at least five other countries. The latest of these killed 17 people near the border with Afghanistan on Monday.
Unlike the slacker Bush, who famously disdained specifics, Obama routinely deploys his Ivy League training in law. Many among the dozens of "suspected militants" massacred by drones in the last three days in northwestern Pakistan are likely to be innocent. Reports gathered by NGOs and Pakistani media about previous attacks speak of a collateral damage running into hundreds, and deepening anger and hostility to the US. No matter: in Obama's legally watertight bureaucracy, drone attacks are not publicly acknowledged; or if they have to be, civilian deaths are flatly denied and all the adult dead categorised as "combatants".
Obama himself signed off on one execution knowing it would also kill innocent family members. He has also made it "legal" to execute Americans without trial and expanded their secret surveillance, preserved the CIA's renditions programme, violated his promise to close down Guantnamo Bay and ruthlessly arraigned whistleblowers.
Not only is Cornel West, Obama's most prominent black intellectual supporter, appalled, but also the apparatchiks of Bush's imperial presidency such as former CIA director Michael Hayden. Perhaps it is time to ask again: who is Barack Obama? And how has Pakistan featured in his world view? The first question now seems to have been settled too quickly, largely because of the literary power of Obama's speeches and writings. His memoir, Dreams From My Father, was quickened by the drama of the self-invented man from nowhere — the passionate striving, eloquent self-doubt and ambivalence that western literature, from Stendhal to Naipaul, has trained us to identify with a refined intellect and soul. Not surprisingly, Obama's careful self-presentation seduced some prominent literary fictionists, inviting comparisons to James Baldwin.

Later biographies of Obama, published after he became president, have complicated the picture of him as the possessor of diversely sourced identities (Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii, Harvard). David Maraniss's new biography shows that at college the bright student from Hawaii's closest friends were Pakistanis and he carried around a dog-eared copy of Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man.
But Obama also began early, as one girlfriend of his reported in her diary, to "strike out", "shedding encumbrances, old images". "Do you think I will be president of the United States?" he asked a slightly bemused Pakistani friend, who then witnessed "Obama slowly but carefully distancing himself from the Pakistanis as a necessary step in establishing his political identity".
"For years," Maraniss writes, "Obama seemed to share their attitudes as sophisticated outsiders who looked at politics from an international perspective. But to get to where he wanted he had to change." Obama's Pakistani friend recalls: "The first shift I saw him undertaking was to view himself as an American in a much more fundamental way."
In an incorrigibly right-wing political culture, this obliged Obama to always appear tougher than his white opponents. During his 2008 presidential debates with John McCain, Obama often startled many of us with his threats to expand the war in Afghanistan to Pakistan. More disquietingly, he claimed the imprimatur of Henry Kissinger, who partnered Richard Nixon in the ravaging of Cambodia, paving the way for Pol Pot, while still devastating Vietnam.
It can't be said Obama didn't prepare us for his murderous spree in Pakistan. It is also true that drone warfare manifests the same pathologies of racial contempt, paranoia, blind faith in technology and the superstition of body counts that undermined the US in Vietnam.
The White House has been used before to plot daily mayhem in some obscure, under-reported corner of the world. During the long bombing campaign named Rolling Thunder, President Lyndon Johnson personally chose targets in Indochina, believing that "carefully calculated doses of force could bring about desirable and predictable responses from Hanoi". But of course "force", as James Baldwin pointed out during Kissinger and Nixon's last desperate assault on Indochina, "does not reveal to the victim the strength of his adversary. On the contrary, it reveals the weakness, even the panic of his adversary and this revelation invests the victim with patience".
The last US personnel in Vietnam had to be evacuated from the roof of the American embassy in Saigon, and this may yet be the fate of the western mission in Afghanistan. The Taliban, it is clear, won't be killed and mutilated into submission. A weak Pakistan is the easier setting for a display of American firepower. In ways, his Pakistani college friends couldn't have foreseen, their country now carries the burden of verifying Obama's extra-American manhood, especially at election time.
Obama was quick to say sorry to Poland last week for saying "Polish death camps" rather than "death camps in Poland" in a speech. But he refuses to apologise for the American air strikes that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November last year. Widespread public anger has forced Pakistan's government to block Nato's supply routes to Afghanistan; any hint of infirmity on the sensitive issue of sovereignty is likely to strengthen some of the country's nastiest extremists. Thus, the few possibilities of political stability in a battered country are now hostage to Obama's pre-election punitiveness.
Certainly, Obama's political and personal journey now evokes less uplifting literary comparisons. For, nearly four years after his ecstatically hailed ascension to the White House, Obama resembles Baldwin much less than he does Kipling and other uncertain children of empire who, as Ashis Nandy writes in The Intimate Enemy, replaced their early identifications with the weak with "an unending search for masculinity and status". These men saw both their victims and compatriots "as gullible children who must be impressed with conspicuous machismo"; and who suppressed their plural selves "for the sake of an imposed imperial identity inauthentic and killing in its grandiosity".
"We're killin' 'em! We're killin' 'em all!" Bush exulted, according to Bob Woodward, during his last months in office. And now another man sits in the White House, surveying his own kill lists and plotting re-election, after having already pulled off the cruellest political hoax of our times.
 

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Drone war is destroying West's reputation
New phase of secret, unaccountable and illegal warfare being deployed in Afghanistan
By Peter Oborne

The theory and practice of warfare has evolved with amazing speed since Al Qaida's attack on mainland America in September 2001. In less than 11 years it is already possible to discern three separate phases. First, we had the era of ground invasion followed by military occupation.
This concept, which feels terribly 20th century today, appeared at first to work well, with the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan followed by the easy destruction of Saddam Hussain in Iraq. But by 2005 it was obvious that the strategy was failing. The resurgence of the Taliban and the success of the Iraqi insurgencies led to an urgent reassessment. In desperation, the United States turned to the more sophisticated methodology once favoured by the British and before them the Romans — the elaboration of a system of alliances, otherwise known as "divide and rule".
This was the second phase, the so-called "surge" of 2007, which made the reputation of General David Petraeus and rescued the second Bush presidency from disaster. Of greater significance than the temporary increase in troop numbers on the ground was the decision by the Western Iraqi tribes, encouraged by the payment of enormous bribes, to detach themselves, at least temporarily, from Al Qaida. The same tactics did not work, however, when duplicated two years later in Afghanistan — and so US policy has unobtrusively moved into a third phase: a new and as yet only partially understood doctrine of secret, unaccountable and illegal warfare. The guiding force has once again been General Petraeus, who is already being tipped as favourite to win the Republican nomination in the 2016 presidential elections. Appointed director of the CIA last summer, he swiftly converted the intelligence agency into a paramilitary organisation. Conventional military forces are scarcely relevant: it is Petraeus who now masterminds what George W. Bush used to call the "war on terror" from the CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. President Barack Obama has reportedly allowed his CIA chief to direct Special Forces operation. If so, this is an unconstitutional move because these missions are no longer answerable to Congress. More important still, the CIA also masterminds and directs the drone strikes that have suddenly become the central element of US (and therefore British) military strategy.
Death and democracy

Even ten years ago, drones — remotely operated killing machines — were unthinkable because they seemed to spring direct from the imagination of a deranged science-fiction movie director. But today they dominate.
First of all, they can be deadly accurate. Tribal Afghans have been amazed not just that the car a Taliban leader was travelling in was precisely targeted — but that the missile went in through the door on the side he was sitting. The US claims drones have proved very effective at targeting and killing Taliban or Al Qaida leaders, but with the very minimum of civilian casualties. Second, US soldiers and airmen are not placed in harm's way. This is very important in a democracy. In America, the killing of a dozen military personnel is a political event. The death of a dozen Afghan or Pakistani villages in a remote part of what used to be called the north-west frontier does not register, unless a US military spokesmen labels them "militants", in which case it becomes a victory. There is no surprise, then — as the New York Times revealed in an important article on Tuesday — that Obama "has placed himself at the helm of a top secret 'nominations' process to designate terrorists for kill or capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical". The least enviable task of an old-fashioned British home secretary was to sign the death warrant for convicted murderers.
According to the New York Times, the President has taken these exquisite agonies one stage further: "When a rare opportunity for a drone strike at a top terrorist arises, but his family is with him, it is the President who has reserved for himself the final moral calculation." So, in the US, drone strikes are a good thing. In Pakistan, from where I write this, it is impossible to over-estimate the anger and distress they cause. Almost all Pakistanis feel they are personally under attack, and that America tramples on their precarious national sovereignty. There are good reasons for this. When, last year in Lahore, an out-of-control CIA operative shot dead two reportedly unarmed Pakistanis and his follow-up car ran over and killed a third, the American was spirited out of the country. Meanwhile, America refuses to apologise for killing 24 Pakistani servicemen in a botched ISAF operation. This is election year and Obama, having apologised already over Quran burning, may be nervous about a second apology, and has therefore confined himself to an expression of "regret". I am told by a number of credible sources that this refusal to behave decently — allied to dismay at the use of drones as the weapon of default in tribal areas — is the reason for the unusual decision of the US ambassador in Islamabad, Cameron Munter, to step down after less than two years in his post.
According to a recent poll, more than two thirds of Pakistanis regard the US as an enemy. Britain used to be popular and respected in this part of the world for our wisdom and decency. Now, thanks to our refusal to challenge American military doctrine, the UK is hated, too.
 

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Kukikhel areas of Tirah fall to militants

LANDI KOTAL: Taliban took full control of Kukikhel-dominated areas of Tirah as more families left their homes and moved to Jamrud.

Sources said that besides fortifying their positions in the newly-occupied localities, Taliban had also torched houses of some Kukikhel elders in Bagh and Sra Vela. They said Taliban in announcements made on loudspeakers from local mosques had asked residents to hoist white flags atop their houses and volunteer one person from each family to join the Taliban.

"The entire Tirah valley, except Bazaar Zakhakhel, is now under effective control of three militant groups, Tehrik-i-Taliban
Pakistan (Tariq Afridi group), Mangal Bagh-led Lashkar-i-Islam and Ansaarul Islam," confirmed Bakhtiar Mohmand, assistant political agent of Jamrud.

He said that while Taliban entrenched themselves in Kukikhel areas, Mangal Bagh was holding the fort in Sipah and Malikdinkhel areas, but the Zakhakhel tribe was in control of Bazaar Zakhakhel.

The official said that his administration had made arrangements to shift Kukikhel families to Jalozai camp, established for internally displaced families of Bara, but so far no-one had approached them.

"Most of the displaced families have opted to live with their relatives in different parts of Jamrud and only a few were without any abode but they too were reluctant to go to Jalozai and preferred rented houses," he said.

Muhammad Irfan, a resident of Jamrud, told Dawn that except for Puk Darra and Daman-i-Koh, all areas, including Sra Vela, Bagh, Pathai, Ghakhai, Baarhi Saporhi and Maniyakhel, had fallen to Taliban and residents had moved to Ali Masjid and Ghundi in Jamrud. He however, denied that any offer had been made by the political administration to any of the displaced families and said they had not received any assistance from local authorities.

He said residents of Puk Darra and Daman-i-Koh were also eager to leave their homes for fear of Taliban, but all routes leading to Jamrud and Bazaar Zakhakhel were either occupied by Taliban or activists of Lashkar-i-Islam. Muhammad Irfan conceded that the Kukikhel lashkar which was no match for the Taliban had to succumb to the Taliban pressure.

He said that except for two Kukikhel elders in Tirah, Malik Zabita Khan and Malik Zaboor, all other notables were against the formation of a lashkar or peace committee against Taliban in Tirah. "We were short of arms and ammunition and financial resources whereas Taliban were well-equipped and well-trained and, therefore, we would not be able to hold our ground for long against them," he acknowledged. He also said that while Malik Zabita Khan and his family had come to Jamrud, Malik Zaboor fled to Afghanistan.

Both the Kukikhel elders had in February this year convened a jirga of their tribe and ordered all militant groups including Taliban to leave their area or face resistance.

In 2010, Taliban of the Tariq Afridi group established some hideouts in Dwa Thoe and Mehraban Kali after they had been forced to flee from Darra Adam Khel by security forces. Clashes have been taking place since then with Taliban carrying out at least two suicide attacks against Kukikhels in 2010 and 2011, killing more than a hundred tribesmen.

Khaistha Gul, another Kukikhel tribesman, said they had lost their homes and agricultural land to Taliban. The Kukikhels were also forced to surrender their arms at the Nakai checkpost near Nari Bara established by Lashkar-i-Islam.

He thanked the Al Khidmat Foundation which, he said, had set up a relief camp at Ali Masjid where displaced families were getting food and water. It was also providing transport to those who wanted to move to other places.
 

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Taliban taking over pakistan is not descent into chaos but its fight to freedom from corrupt elites /feudal/Army.Taliban are robin hoods and should be seen in same light as indian maoists i.e. Gandhi with guns. Hence this thread title should be changed to "Pakistan's 2nd war to freedom for its soul".
 

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Kukikhel areas of Tirah fall to militants

LANDI KOTAL: Taliban took full control of Kukikhel-dominated areas of Tirah as more families left their homes and moved to Jamrud.

Sources said that besides fortifying their positions in the newly-occupied localities, Taliban had also torched houses of some Kukikhel elders in Bagh and Sra Vela. They said Taliban in announcements made on loudspeakers from local mosques had asked residents to hoist white flags atop their houses and volunteer one person from each family to join the Taliban.

"The entire Tirah valley, except Bazaar Zakhakhel, is now under effective control of three militant groups, Tehrik-i-Taliban
Pakistan (Tariq Afridi group), Mangal Bagh-led Lashkar-i-Islam and Ansaarul Islam," confirmed Bakhtiar Mohmand, assistant political agent of Jamrud.

He said that while Taliban entrenched themselves in Kukikhel areas, Mangal Bagh was holding the fort in Sipah and Malikdinkhel areas, but the Zakhakhel tribe was in control of Bazaar Zakhakhel.

The official said that his administration had made arrangements to shift Kukikhel families to Jalozai camp, established for internally displaced families of Bara, but so far no-one had approached them.

"Most of the displaced families have opted to live with their relatives in different parts of Jamrud and only a few were without any abode but they too were reluctant to go to Jalozai and preferred rented houses," he said.

Muhammad Irfan, a resident of Jamrud, told Dawn that except for Puk Darra and Daman-i-Koh, all areas, including Sra Vela, Bagh, Pathai, Ghakhai, Baarhi Saporhi and Maniyakhel, had fallen to Taliban and residents had moved to Ali Masjid and Ghundi in Jamrud. He however, denied that any offer had been made by the political administration to any of the displaced families and said they had not received any assistance from local authorities.

He said residents of Puk Darra and Daman-i-Koh were also eager to leave their homes for fear of Taliban, but all routes leading to Jamrud and Bazaar Zakhakhel were either occupied by Taliban or activists of Lashkar-i-Islam. Muhammad Irfan conceded that the Kukikhel lashkar which was no match for the Taliban had to succumb to the Taliban pressure.

He said that except for two Kukikhel elders in Tirah, Malik Zabita Khan and Malik Zaboor, all other notables were against the formation of a lashkar or peace committee against Taliban in Tirah. "We were short of arms and ammunition and financial resources whereas Taliban were well-equipped and well-trained and, therefore, we would not be able to hold our ground for long against them," he acknowledged. He also said that while Malik Zabita Khan and his family had come to Jamrud, Malik Zaboor fled to Afghanistan.

Both the Kukikhel elders had in February this year convened a jirga of their tribe and ordered all militant groups including Taliban to leave their area or face resistance.

In 2010, Taliban of the Tariq Afridi group established some hideouts in Dwa Thoe and Mehraban Kali after they had been forced to flee from Darra Adam Khel by security forces. Clashes have been taking place since then with Taliban carrying out at least two suicide attacks against Kukikhels in 2010 and 2011, killing more than a hundred tribesmen.

Khaistha Gul, another Kukikhel tribesman, said they had lost their homes and agricultural land to Taliban. The Kukikhels were also forced to surrender their arms at the Nakai checkpost near Nari Bara established by Lashkar-i-Islam.

He thanked the Al Khidmat Foundation which, he said, had set up a relief camp at Ali Masjid where displaced families were getting food and water. It was also providing transport to those who wanted to move to other places.

It appears nothing much has changed in those areas since the days the Sikhs controlled those followed by the British. Jamrud Fort had a Gorkha Force and Hari Singh Nalwa laid down his life around Jamrud. Sikh, Pathan and Gorkha combination cotrolled that area between 1820 and 1947. Pakistan has but lost all those to Taliban or old time lashkars in new form and new names.

We need 20 Gorkha battalions to deploy there and keep thrashing those Lushkars around those khels and Kotals.

It is beyond the Pakjabies
 

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Taliban taking over pakistan is not descent into chaos but its fight to freedom from corrupt elites /feudal/Army.Taliban are robin hoods and should be seen in same light as indian maoists i.e. Gandhi with guns. Hence this thread title should be changed to "Pakistan's 2nd war to freedom for its soul".
Lahul Bila Kuwat
 

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More Pakis reached Jannat.

Lahul Bila Kuwat
Lahore-Bina-Kuwait sounds better :taunt:

Taliban taking over pakistan is not descent into chaos but its fight to freedom from corrupt elites /feudal/Army.Taliban are robin hoods and should be seen in same light as indian maoists i.e. Gandhi with guns. Hence this thread title should be changed to "Pakistan's 2nd war to freedom for its soul".
ajtr the Paki female suicide bomber at it's best :rofl: :rofl:
 

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i dont know why the govt is nt allowing to shoot the predators

move one crotale to miranshah

shoot the drone
ifpak response is zero

the taliban without knowing will claim the responsibility
 

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i dont know why the govt is nt allowing to shoot the predators

move one crotale to miranshah

shoot the drone
ifpak response is zero

the taliban without knowing will claim the responsibility
Of course if Pakistan starts shooting down drones, Pakistan might not have an airforce any longer. If the Taliban gain power Pakistan will be designated a terrorist state and free fire zone.
 
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Of course if Pakistan starts shooting down drones, Pakistan might not have an airforce any longer. If the Taliban gain power Pakistan will be designated a terrorist state and free fire zone.
pakistan doesn't have a sling shot too shoot a pigeon down. If they shoot a drone down start
24 hour around the clock air strikes.
 

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Of course if Pakistan starts shooting down drones, Pakistan might not have an airforce any longer. If the Taliban gain power Pakistan will be designated a terrorist state and free fire zone.
such as in the iran case?

taliban wont gain power(despite your funding)
 

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the upcoming govt be it the PTI or PMLN

both are nt pro USA

so expect what i am saying on the exact date next year
 

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