Pakistan's Descent into Chaos: Terrorist & Drone Attacks

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so you mean to say they deserve collective punishment as socitey.so why not whole india be punished as a society on killing minorities?
IF they were innocent, then its called collateral damage. All the more reason why you should renounce terror. Funny enough you didnt respond to renouncing terror but talked about those killed.
 

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IF they were innocent, then its called collateral damage. All the more reason why you should renounce terror. Funny enough you didnt respond to renouncing terror but talked about those killed.
oH sure then those killed in mumbai and every other city too wer collateral damage.
 

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oH sure then those killed in mumbai and every other city too wer collateral damage.
Exactly the reason why we will not move an inch from anywhere. Your terrorist state and the people living in it will be killed either by your own people or in drone strike. Dont whine about women and children being killed. Accept the fact that terror as an instrument of state policy has backfired big time. But no yu will not. Its just too much to ask for. Now go mourn the 9 terrorists killed.
 

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15 Pakistani Terrorists killed in Pakistan by US Drones

15 Pakistani Terrorists killed in Pakistan by US Drones

MIRANSHAH: A US drone strike targeting a militant compound in Pakistan's northwestern tribal area killed 15 insurgents in a pre-dawn attack on Monday, security officials said.Two missiles were fired on the compound in Mir Ali, 25 kilometres (15 miles) east of Miranshah, the capital of North Waziristan, near the Afghan border, in an area considered a hive of Taliban and al-Qaida activity.

The attack was the eighth drone strike in Pakistan since a NATO conference on Afghanistan in Chicago last month."Fifteen militants were killed in a dawn strike on a compound. The bodies of those killed were unable to be identified," a security official in Miranshah said.He said there were reports that some foreigners had been killed but these were unable to be confirmed.A security official in Peshawar confirmed the attack and said 15 militants were killed.

"We have received reports that 15 militants have been killed in a drone strike but at this moment we don't know about their nationalities," the official said."We are also unclear about the number of the militants who were present in the compound at the time of attack."

The latest attack came amid an uptick in drone strikes. An attack on Sunday killed at least five insurgents, including a commander, near Wana -- the main town in South Waziristan, security officials said.Washington considers Pakistan's semi-autonomous northwestern tribal belt the main hub of Taliban and al-Qaida militants plotting attacks on the West and in Afghanistan.

Pakistani-US relations went into freefall last year when a CIA contractor shot dead two Pakistanis, an American raid killed al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden, and US air strikes in November killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

After the air strikes, Pakistan shut its Afghan border to NATO supplies and ordered US staff out of an air base reportedly used as a hub for drones.In March, Pakistan's parliament agreed to reset US relations on condition that Washington apologise for the troops' deaths and end drone attacks on its soil.Pakistan has been incensed by Washington's refusal to apologise for the November air strikes and US officials have so far rejected Pakistani proposals to charge several thousand dollars for each alliance truck crossing the border.

Islamabad, which is understood to have given its tacit approval for attacks on al-Qaida and Taliban targets in the past, has become increasingly vocal in its opposition to the perceived violation of national sovereignty.

Despite Pakistani criticism US officials are believed to consider the drone attacks too useful to stop them altogether.They have argued that the strikes are a valuable weapon in the war against Islamist militants.According to an AFP tally, 45 US missile strikes were reported in Pakistan's tribal belt in 2009, the year US President Barack Obama took office, 101 in 2010 and 64 in 2011.

The New America Foundation think-tank in Washington says drone strikes have killed between 1,715 and 2,680 people in Pakistan in the past eight years.
 

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profitability has increased .do more:p:p
 

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profitability has increased .do more:p:p
Now for each truck Pakis are asking $1800, before drone strikes they "demanded" $5000.More drone strikes are needed to show Pakis their aukaat :lol:

Pakistan comes to $1800 from $5000 per truck

Lahore: Pakistan has reportedly demanded $1800 to $2000 as the fee for every NATO container truck and tanker during negotiations with the US for reopening supply routes for foreign troops in Afghanistan.

Earlier, the US had refused to accept Pakistan's demand of $5000 a truck. Since then, negotiations have been underway and Pakistan has now proposed a fee of between $1800 and $2000.
 

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No wonder why all pakis want to be on moon by 2013.

(Source) His holiness(naam hi kafi ha):lol::lol::lol:



:hail::hail::hail:
 

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To spur Pak on terror, US used troop threat (Indian Express june7) Press Trust of India: Washington June 7 : The US intends to keep between 10,000 to 15,000 counter-terrorism troops in Afghanistan, much beyond its troops drawdown in 2014, which could cross over into Pakistan in case of crisis, a top Obama aide had warned Pakistan Army Chief Ashfaq Parvez Kayani.

The aide conveyed this to the Pakistan Army Chief at a secret meeting in Abu Dhabi last October in a bid to spur Pakistan to take strong action against the Haqqani network, a book has claimed. But the threat didn't appear to have made the desired impact, according to the book Confront and Conceal by The New York Times journalist David Sanger which hit the stands on Tuesday.

The book depicts President Barack Obama's crisis moments after taking over the mantle from George Bush. Kayani refused to give any guarantee of taking action against Haqqani network.

The details of a meeting between a three-member presidential delegation led by the National Security Adviser, Tom Donilon, and Kayani have been made public for the first time. Donilon was accompanied by Mark Grossman, the Special US Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, and Douglas Lute, Obama's top advisor on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"Donilon had sent ahead a document laying out the long-term American strategy, including a plan to keep somewhere between 10,000 and 15,000 US counterterror troops in Afghanistan, mostly at Bagram Airfield, to protect the interests of the US in the region." "His meaning was clear: the US would remain, and its troops would be ready to go over the Pakistani border if they needed to," Sanger writes in his book.
The US told Kayani they had incriminating evidence about the two bold attacks against Americans in Afghanistan, the journalist wrote, but noted that even this did not have any impact on Kayani. Kayani sough assurance from the US that there would be no repeat of raid like the one that killed Osama bin Laden. "We will undertake whatever steps we need to protect our forces," Donilon said. "We would prefer to act jointly. But if you refuse.... we will come in and do what we have to do."

The book also speaks about the security nightmare Obama experienced after assuming office in 2009, when faced with the possibility of the Pakistan Taliban acquiring a nuclear bomb.

US intelligence told the President during a key Oval office meeting that they had received information about Taliban acquiring a nuclear bomb, says the latest book by Sanger, adding Obama's aides also worried about the leak of the news to both India and Pakistan.

Though the US intelligence community had sketchy details on the "bomb scare", Obama decided to dispatch a nuclear-detect-and disablement team to the region.

"But they dared not step into Pakistan itself, where the government would have a tough time explaining why there were foreigners with nuclear-detection equipment wandering around."

Sanger said there was also the possibility, lurking in the back of Obama's mind, that the loose weapon — if there was one —could be headed for New York, Washington, or some other US city. "It was a pretty tense series of conversations."
 

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US drone attacks in Pakistan: UN backs probe into civilian casualties

US drone attacks in Pakistan: UN backs probe into civilian casualties

ISLAMABAD: The UN human rights chief on Thursday called for a UN investigation into US drone strikes in Pakistan, questioning their legality and saying they kill innocent civilians.
UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay made the remarks at the end of a four-day visit to the country, where US drone strikes have on average targeted militants once every four days under US President Barack Obama.

Islamabad is understood to have approved the strikes on al Qaeda and Taliban targets in the past. But the government has become increasingly energetic in its public opposition as relations with Washington have nosedived.
"Drone attacks do raise serious questions about compliance with international law," Pillay told a news conference in Islamabad.
"The principle of distinction and proportionality and ensuring accountability for any failure to comply with international law is also difficult when drone attacks are conducted outside the military chain of command and beyond effective and transparent mechanisms of civilian or military control," she said.
She said the attacks violate human rights.
"I see the indiscriminate killings and injuries of civilians in any circumstances as human rights violations."
The UN human rights chief provided no statistics but called for an investigation into civilian casualties, which she said were difficult to track.
"Because these attacks are indiscriminate it is very, very difficult to track the numbers of people who have been killed," she said.
"I suggested to the government that they invite the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Summary or Arbitrary Executions and he will be able to investigate some of the incidents."
She said UN chief Ban Ki-moon had urged states to be "more transparent" about circumstances in which drones are used and take necessary precautions to ensure that the attacks involving drones comply with applicable international law.
"So therefore I stress the importance of investigating such cases and ensuring compensation and redress to the victims."
Washington releases few details about its covert drone programme in Pakistan but on Wednesday US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta described them as self-defence and promised that they would continue to target al Qaeda in Pakistan.
UN raises concern about Pakistan rights record

The United Nations voiced concern Thursday over allegations of "very grave" rights violations and forced disappearances during Pakistani military operations against insurgents and militants.
Independent watchdogs have accused Pakistani security forces of mass arrests and extra-judicial killings in the southwestern province of Balochistan.
"I am concerned by allegations of very grave violations in the context of counter-terrorist and counter-insurgency operations," Pillay told a press conference at the end of a four-day visit to Pakistan.
"These include extrajudicial killings, unacknowledged detention and enforced disappearances."
She said disappearances in Balochistan had become "a focus for national debate, international attention and local despair" and urged the government and judiciary to investigate and resolve the cases.
She said she regretted not visiting Balochistan and the southern province Sindh, where hundreds of people have been killed in political and ethnic clashes in Karachi this year, without explaining why she had not gone.
"I called for investigations of all this and compensation for victims and of course I am very concerned about what steps can be taken to protect people from these kinds of attacks," she said.
 

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USa uses drone strike to massage it ego which gets bruised in Afganistan .
 

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That is a excuse, Bin laden was found near Islamabad only..

What more need to keep on drone attacks on terrorist soil..
 

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In war casualties are inevitable even friendly fire happens but that does not justify that the operation should stop. Some innocent caught between fire is unfortunate but not a new fact.
 

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That is a excuse, Bin laden was found near Islamabad only..

What more need to keep on drone attacks on terrorist soil..
USA is targeting wrong innocent people in pukhtoon lands.Most of Al-Qaida and Taliban leadership were killed or captured from either punjab or karachi for example Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,osam bin laden omar sheikh mohammad, .etc.In that sense USA has to target punjab and karachi more than fata.
 

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In war casualties are inevitable even friendly fire happens but that does not justify that the operation should stop. Some innocent caught between fire is unfortunate but not a new fact.
I wonder if those innocents of 9/11 were the collateral damage of the decade long war between al-qaida and usa.
 

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I wonder if those innocents of 9/11 were the collateral damage of the decade long war between al-qaida and usa.
And so the war began.....
 

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And so the war began.....
War was raging on between usa and al-qaida long before 9/11 happened on different continents with attack on usa embassy in kenya,WTC attack in 1992,USS cole attack in yemen in 2000,Usa attacking bin laden hideouts in afhanistan with tomhawks.IN all these events 9-11 was just another attack in the war.
 

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War was raging on between usa and al-qaida long before 9/11 happened on different continents with attack on usa embassy in kenya,WTC attack in 1992,USS cole attack in yemen in 2000,Usa attacking bin laden hideouts in afhanistan with tomhawks.IN all these events 9-11 was just another attack in the war.
But officially war on terror started after 9/11 incident, isn't it!!
 

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USA is targeting wrong innocent people in pukhtoon lands.Most of Al-Qaida and Taliban leadership were killed or captured from either punjab or karachi for example Khalid Sheikh Mohammed,osam bin laden omar sheikh mohammad, .etc.In that sense USA has to target punjab and karachi more than fata.
What would US gain from such targeting of civilian population, Giving a fact that operating a Drone have higher operational cost than operating a Gunship, It is simple absurd to say US killing civilian population in frustration..

And regarding similar statement were told before Bin Laden capture, Beside him there are many more leaders were killed inside Pakistan before via drone attacks, What makes world think that this time Pakistani aka Terrorist officials are making true statements.. ?

Tangos always and always take advantage of Civilian as Shield, If Pakistan is not killing them for its own beliefs than US will continue to attack Terrorist Soil via Drones..
 

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But officially war on terror started after 9/11 incident, isn't it!!
NO.After 9/11 war reached its zenith and from there usa defeat has started.
 

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