Pakistani terrorists attacked Army Camp in J&K's Uri

[sayareakd]

Yes, Armchair generals want retaliation while sitting behind the computer screens

I am on computer, so you are wrong................................

 

[mayfair]

Saudis Arabia - stronger us - Iran diplomacy and a collapse in oil prices
Legal action against Saudis for 9/11 , freezing Saudi money in usa
Pakistan - cut in aid , improved military ties India

Collpase in Oil prices did not happen till 2014, a full 13/THIRTEEN YEARS AFTER 9/11. At one time oil prices reached upwards of $140 a barrel remember? US actively allowed it. The collapse was engineered not to pressurise KSA, but to punish Russia. Stornger Iran ties did not happen till this year. Till recently Iran was in the "axis of evil", under heavy sanctions. Banks doing business with Iran could not operate in US. Iranian nuclear scientists were topped off at will. Even recently a P8A flew an aggressive patrol near Iranian airspace.

What legal action? AGain nothing froze. Bin Laden family was allowed to fly out (much like Daawood's family was allowed to fly out in 1993!!). No Sauid investments were seized, in fact the recent court ruling (again 15 years later) was overturned or ignored.

Pakistan cut in aid? Bakis have received $33 BILLION in aid and funds since 2001!!!
Improved military ties with India? They SELL US (largely non-combat/non-lethal) stuff such as P8, C-17, C-130 etc. all for over $14 BILLION. While Bakis receive gifts of F-16 Block 52, M-109, AMRAAMs, Attack choppers, P-3 Orions.

I don't think USA will ever fight India's battle against pak or even view it in the same context as India does

Of course they won't. But they'll actively stop us from harming their munna. Remember 26/11, when Indian ship coms were hacked and ordered to return to base? Where US planes flew protective sorties over Baki airspace?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Just for the matter if we consider the long standing policy of restraint then up to when can we expect insurgency to die down on its own.? I mean by 2020 or 2024.? This technique has been successful in some instance though where the enemy finally realized it can't win..

Hope is not a solution. Do you think Pakistan will be weaker in 2024.? It will be much stronger if CPEC is a success.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Collpase in Oil prices did not happen till 2014, a full 13/THIRTEEN YEARS AFTER 9/11. At one time oil prices reached upwards of $140 a barrel remember? US actively allowed it. The collapse was engineered not to pressurise KSA, but to punish Russia. Stornger Iran ties did not happen till this year. Till recently Iran was in the "axis of evil", under heavy sanctions. Banks doing business with Iran could not operate in US. Iranian nuclear scientists were topped off at will. Even recently a P8A flew an aggressive patrol near Iranian airspace.

What legal action? AGain nothing froze. Bin Laden family was allowed to fly out (much like Daawood's family was allowed to fly out in 1993!!). No Sauid investments were seized, in fact the recent court ruling (again 15 years later) was overturned or ignored.

Pakistan cut in aid? Bakis have received $33 BILLION in aid and funds since 2001!!!
Improved military ties with India? They SELL US (largely non-combat/non-lethal) stuff such as P8, C-17, C-130 etc. all for over $14 BILLION. While Bakis receive gifts of F-16 Block 52, M-109, AMRAAMs, Attack choppers, P-3 Orions.



Of course they won't. But they'll actively stop us from harming their munna. Remember 26/11, when Indian ship coms were hacked and ordered to return to base? Where US planes flew protective sorties over Baki airspace?

I agree with you on all your points. Again USA views India as accepting collateral damage from Pakistan without any response. This has been India's image as a pacificist non responder a title India has spent decades to earn.

 

[sayareakd]

how easy to be speak when you are out of power.

 

[Darth Malgus]

How exactly ? Did India succeeded in isolating Pakis ?

Are there Economic sanctions on Pakis or even worse our former allies such as Russia providing Arms to Pakis.


These are our diplomatic achievement and i am not even asking our military success over Pakis which is essentially Zero

lol. Pak won't be getting jack shit from Russia. As for military success, there is enough if your willing to read.
Staying forever ignorant is not going to help you...

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Uri attack: Can India launch a covert operation across the border?

• Rahul Singh, Hindustan Times, New Delhi|
• Updated: Sep 18, 2016 17:11 IST

Army personnel inside the Army Brigade camp during a terror attack in Uri, Jammu and Kashmir.(PTI Photo)

The option of India launching covert military strikes inside Pakistani territory is in focus following Sunday’s militant strike on an army base in Kashmir’s Uri town.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi assured the country that those behind the attack “will not go unpunished”. Although no group claimed responsibility for the strike that killed 17 soldiers, home ministerRajnath Singh pointed fingers at Pakistan , calling it a “terrorist state” and condemning its “continuing and direct support to terrorism and terrorists”.

So, what are India’s options? A swift, covert strike on terror camps in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir is seen as one of the best ways to send the message across to Islamabad. New Delhi had opted for surgical strikes across the border in Myanmar after 18 soldiers were killed in an ambush in Manipur last June.

India’s special forces rank among the most professional and respected fighting units in the world. They are trained to carry out surgical strike operations and deploy deep behind enemy lines, say military experts. They say the military’s response will depend on the political resolve of the ruling dispensation.

LIVE| 17 soldiers, 4 militants killed in Uri terror attack

The pieces of the jigsaw will fall into place only if there is sufficient consensus within the political system for developing such capability and fixing rules for its use.

Experts, however, also point to pitfalls of military machismo. The consequences of Pakistan being a nuclear-armed state, which advocates first use, have to be weighed in before launching an operation.

Pakistani deterrence revolves around first use. A covert assault by India could have disastrous consequences. Israel, the acknowledged master of targeted ops, has no nuclear armed opponents, partly because it keeps destroying nuclear facilities of its enemies.

As borne out by Operation Geronimo- in which US special forces killed Osama bin Laden in a covert operation in Pakistan in 2011- such operations are no instant coffee. Developing capacity and chasing down targets will and can take years on end, experts say.

Why India could carry out targeted ops

1. It has Special Forces and a large military considered among the most professional in the world. Indian Special Forces have beaten their counterparts from other countries in competitions.
2. India lives in a tough neighbourhood. It needs to be able to punish countries or attack non-state actors at a threshold below full-scale war. One reason it gets hit by terrorists is that they know there will never be a military response.
3. India is now close to countries such as Israel who specialise in such attacks. India is the largest buyer of Israeli arms. It should consider importing Israel’s know-how in this field as well.

Why India cannot carry out targeted ops

1. India’s main two security threats are Pakistan and China. Both are nuclear-armed countries. A targeted operation could lead to military escalation and push the region into an atomic crisis. No country with nuclear weapons has been hit by targeted ops.
2. It would require a complete, decade-long revamp of India’s military, intelligence and political decision-making system to get targeted ops capacity. This is an enormous task and given the country’s many other pressing domestic problems, probably best not undertaken.
3. India is positioning itself as a responsible rising power. Pakistan can afford to support terror strikes because it has no such ambition. The United States is a country that is an established power. India needs to carve out a place for itself before it can afford to take military gambles.

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[Darth Malgus]

Looks like the leftists are out in force celebrating this incident...

 

[Nicky G]

People always talk about the cost of action, do we wonder what is the cost of inaction?

What was the cost of inaction when we did nothing while Pakis gained nukes?

Who knows what precisely the cost of our current inactions will be?

 

[Bornubus]

lol. Pak won't be getting jack shit from Russia. As for military success, there is enough if your willing to read.
Staying forever ignorant is not going to help you...

My little fanboy friend open your eyes and face reality Paki Russia military exercise or ongoing negotiations, Inclusion in SCO etc

But this is not the time or thread to discuss. The fact of the matter is 56 inch Breast response to the killing and of our 17 troops and others before that.

 

[Scarface]

How exactly ? Did India succeeded in isolating Pakis ?

Are there Economic sanctions on Pakis or even worse our former allies such as Russia providing Arms to Pakis.


These are our diplomatic achievement and i am not even asking our military success over Pakis which is essentially Zero

No,we got something better.
To become US' strategic defence partner in the region,getting them to stop selling F-16s to Pakistan,to put diplomatic pressure on Pakistan to stop homegrown terrorism

The Ruskies have always supplied weapons to our enemy,now it's changed from China to Pakistan,they are a mercenary state at best,they can't afford to let "alliances" get in the way of money,which they need.

We got Afghanistan to grow a spine against Pakistan and are now a party of the former US-Pak-Afghanistan talks and Pakis are no longer invited,now it's India-US-Afghanistan.

 

[Darth Malgus]

My little fanboy friend open your eyes and face reality Paki Russia military exercise or ongoing negotiations, Inclusion in SCO etc

But this is not the time or thread to discuss. The fact of the matter is 56 inch Breast response to the killing and of our 17 troops and others before that.

Am not a Modi Fanboy, am just allergic to idiots who can't read 2 sentences straight without having the inclination to hit the reply button. Everybody has military excersices with everybody, its normal. Pak is already in SCO that was decided long time ago, this is nothing new. As for sales of military equipment , "not going to happen"

 

[sorcerer]

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Why India cannot carry out targeted ops

1. India’s main two security threats are Pakistan and China. Both are nuclear-armed countries. A targeted operation could lead to military escalation and push the region into an atomic crisis. No country with nuclear weapons has been hit by targeted ops.

If India can work the principle out LOUD that INDIA IS GOING AFTER NON STATE ACTORS..then pak cannot use Nukes..
This is what Manohar Parikkar said last time when asked about the same situation.
pakistan should not retaliate if India is going after terrorists as pakistan establishment has the verdict that its all NON STATE ACTORS.
India is going after terrorists NOT Pakistan!!
If pakis can curve it India can curve it too...Now lets see some follow up on that statement.

so a nuke escalation in that regard will be pakis initiating an ACT OF WAR against a nation like INDIA who is trying to mend its own terrorist problem of NON STATE ACTORS.

It would require a complete, decade-long revamp of India’s military, intelligence and political decision-making system to get targeted ops capacity. This is an enormous task and given the country’s many other pressing domestic problems, probably best not undertaken.

We have done some covert ops ..LIVE covert ops inside enemy territory during LTTE season..
So statement in the news to an extent is false
YES..
We did close down our deep assets inside pak..because of GUJRAL BRAINDEAD policy of peace... so its a handicap..
But still we can mount an op.

India is positioning itself as a responsible rising power. Pakistan can afford to support terror strikes because it has no such ambition. The United States is a country that is an established power. India needs to carve out a place for itself before it can afford to take military gambles.

This is Bull shit.India is a responsible rising power and IT HAS TO FLEX ITS MUSCLE and act like one to dissuade nuisance like pakistan..else India wont attract investment on economy.
This is not a military gamble..
Going after NON STATE ACTORS are not really a gamble..its a necessity that has to be done at any costs as TERRORISM NOW is causing India economic loss.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

All members stick to the topic avoid personal attacks

 

[DingDong]

Can somebody explain the difference between Normal and Strong Condemnation?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Can somebody explain the difference between Normal and Strong Condemnation?

Definition is the same for both

 

[Darth Malgus]

People always talk about the cost of action, do we wonder what is the cost of inaction?

What was the cost of inaction when we did nothing while Pakis gained nukes?

Who knows what precisely the cost of our current inactions will be?

This is Pak retaliation for India's Baloch, and POK policy. PoK has been a growing thorn for Pakistan as local political leaders have suddenly become extremely vocal against CPEC in addition to the recognition Baluchistan is getting on the international form. If the policy Govt. has is continued by next govt. for at least 10 years to setup the political and social base which is required to up the ante... Baluchistan will never be free, but destabilizing it will cost Pakistan huge in terms of men , materials and money..

 

[sorcerer]

Can somebody explain the difference between Normal and Strong Condemnation?

Normal is when you condemn activities if shit happens to other nations.
Strong is when you condemn shit thrown at you

 

[LETHALFORCE]

This is Pak retaliation for India's Baloch, and POK policy. PoK has been a growing thorn for Pakistan as local political leaders have suddenly become extremely vocal against CPEC in addition to the recognition Baluchistan is getting on the international form. If the policy Govt. has is continued by next govt. for at least 10 years to setup the political and social base which is required to up the ante... Baluchistan will never be free, but destabilizing it will cost Pakistan huge in terms of men , materials and money..

In ten years CPEC can be complete and become a grand success. Nations like USA already say they do not support Baluchistan sovereignty.

 

[lupgain]

I suspect one more thing, that those separatists may have pellet guns too who kill innocent kids after the protests to blame it on Indian security establishments. Even today's terrorist attack at Army's Admin Headquarters in URI had taken place, all to gain attention before UNGA