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Any idea why they're doing this now, I just can't shake of this tingling feeling on my back about USA's recent change in policy.
Surely whatever they do is for their own benefit, where is this shit going?
There's no change in policy, there's just a change in mode of payment.

Earlier they used to do an electronic funds transfer from the govt of USA to the govt to Pakistan, now they will send CIA operatives with bags full of cash to hand over to ISI agents. The show goes on.
 

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Any idea why they're doing this now, I just can't shake of this tingling feeling on my back about USA's recent change in policy.
Surely whatever they do is for their own benefit, where is this shit going?


If they really want to hurt Pakistan... They wil force Arabic countries (like UAE, KSA etc) to stop giving jobs to paki workers......create civil wars in Pakistan and provide weapons to Afghanistan army to fight wars against paki army.
 

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. Reason why porkies are ready to sell Pakistan to Chinis...according them China will help in Gazwa and suppress hindus. Chutiya saale.
Gazwa E Hind? Islamic army? Seriously?:eek1::scared2::scared2::scared2: Did that old man in video time traveled from 7th century?:crazy:

They are dreaming about fighting and defeating and permanently occupying 2nd largest population, 4th most powerful military, 6th largest economy who is also a credible nuclear power with some rag tag terrorists militia.o_O

Not just that these daydreams are coming from a bankrupt country that can't even control half of its own territory.:pound:

Oh man this is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.:rofl:
 

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Gazwa E Hind? Islamic army? Seriously?:eek1::scared2::scared2::scared2: Did that old man in video time traveled from 7th century?:crazy:

They are dreaming about fighting and defeating and permanently occupying 2nd largest population, 4th most powerful military, 6th largest economy who is also a credible nuclear power with some rag tag terrorists militia.o_O

Not just that these daydreams are coming from a bankrupt country that can't even control half of its own territory.:pound:

Oh man this is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.:rofl:
True they are fools but if you heard him carefully porkies are seriously following it in there foreign policy. Man says that per gazwa chinese will supress India and mullas will make hindus salves. China considers north pak as chinese territory and Pak army is readily selling them pak just for gazwa.. Chutiye saale.
 

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True they are fools but if you heard him carefully porkies are seriously following it in there foreign policy. Man says that per gazwa chinese will supress India and mullas will make hindus salves. China considers north pak as chinese territory and Pak army is readily selling them pak just for gazwa.. Chutiye saale.
Not just fools but completely retarded.
That old man in video is full of :bs: He should know that the day China suppresses India, Han China will become radioactive zone.

Gazwa e Hind! What a joke! China is already doing Gazwa of Pakistan through CPEC.:lol:
 

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Any idea why they're doing this now, I just can't shake of this tingling feeling on my back about USA's recent change in policy.
Surely whatever they do is for their own benefit, where is this shit going?
US is concerned more with Haqqani and did a formality declaring Pakistan a safe heaven for terrorists.So still it's a important sign of policy shift.

US felt hurt and tired by Paki double game(specially after OBL) and inching towards India specially for defense deals and curbing influence of China.So its a part of bigger global game and SELF-Interest.As we say there are no permanent friends but permanent interests in foreign policy.

Only time would tell how much US is of help to India.
 

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US is concerned more with Haqqani and did a formality declaring Pakistan a safe heaven for terrorists.So still it's a important sign of policy shift.

US felt hurt and tired by Paki double game(specially after OBL) and inching towards India specially for defense deals and curbing influence of China.So its a part of bigger global game and SELF-Interest.As we say there are no permanent friends but permanent interests in foreign policy.

Only time would tell how much US is of help to India.
yup, hopefully in couple of months things should be clear. american policy paper on afghanistan and pakistan is due. John mccain came and met everybody in the region, he went back and got diagnosed with brain cancer, donno how much delay will be in the policy release.
 

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US is concerned more with Haqqani and did a formality declaring Pakistan a safe heaven for terrorists.So still it's a important sign of policy shift.
This business of declaration of terrorists has only cosmetic value, for which they are extracting a tangible price from us. The US and their proxy the UN, have declared Hafiz Saeed as a terrorist with 10M bounty, what has changed after that?

We bought billions worth of weapons from the US, in return they threw peanuts at us by acknowledging that a person who is obviously a terrorist, is also seen as a terrorist by the US, wow, badi meherbani hui.

We bought their nuclear reactors, drones, C5 transport planes, and in exchange they are doing this Haqqani drama. They are throwing scraps at us in exchange for the billions we give them, on top of that, the groups they are banning are the ones who are involved in hitting American interests in Afghanistan. Indians just want excuses to vindicate American foreign policy. They are setting the agenda, and we are towing their line and making it look like it is pro-India policy. Just a year or two ago, the same US gave Harpoon anti-ship missiles to Pakistan just a week after India inducted INS Talwar class ship, or tested Barak8 or something, I forgot the exact event but we had launched something new and the US gave Harpoon and Sparrow to Pakistan.

They put a squeeze on our Pharma companies based on a false patent law and we had to go begging to them, even though our generic medicines did not violate IP law. This is America.

They put a squeeze on Indian professionals migrating to the US, and Sushma aunty had to remind them of the 'positive contributions made by Indians to the US economy', still they went ahead with their H1B curbs. This is America.

They said the Indian companies must hire local Americans, and immediately everyone from Infosys to TCs fired 800k employees in India and hired 10k employees in the US. This is America.

We have no power over them. All we have is hot air. We only keep thinking we are significant, but no one will change their foreign policy to suit India unless India stands up for itself. Everyone on this forum was enraged when our two soldiers were beheaded, now suddenly everyone is singing laurels of US foreign policy. Are we forgetting that the GPS used by the terrorists to sneak into India was also made in America. Has that made the US stop sending military aid to Pakistan?

They do whatever is in their interest. They are a world power, and India is an aspiring world power. Those two don't mix together. No world power will willingly craft its foreign policy to allow a challenger to grow, but still, Indians keep hoping against hope that the US will stand up for India. lolwa. Kis khushi me, bhai?

Haqqani network is responsible for the deaths of 800 American soldiers in Afghanistan, and ISI is responsible for the deaths of 80,000 Indians since the 'war of a thousand cuts' was started. The US has decided to go after Haqqani to avenge their 800, while still being in bed with the ISI who has killed 80k Indians. Where's the sense of proportion?

Aacck thoo!
 
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Not just fools but completely retarded.
That old man in video is full of :bs: He should know that the day China suppresses India, Han China will become radioactive zone.

Gazwa e Hind! What a joke! China is already doing Gazwa of Pakistan through CPEC.:lol:
@Cutting Edge 2 All civilizations need civilizational goals, these often sound vague and abstract, but a civilization itself is an abstract thing. One of the core definitions of a civilization is the 'us' vs 'those who are not us' phenomenon. A civilization cannot do without having a policy towards the 'those who are not us' and Pakistan has made it clear that it doesn't want peace with 'those who are not us'. This is not just about land, but about ideology, and as ethnic Indians, the biggest challenge to Pakistan's idea of nation hood is to have other ethnic Indians (Hindus) living and thriving in the vicinity. This itself pits the whole nation against the idea of India, and vice versa.

For what its worth, we must give them credit for articulating a public stance that is in sync with their national goals, whereas we in India are still shy that someone might call us a 'hater' for labeling Pakistan our mortal enemy. When Jews were driven out thousands of years ago, they were a small community. Every year on Hannuka they prayed in the respective countries they had settled in, and in their prayers they said "next year in Jarusalem". People mocked them, but eventually they got their own nation.

The plains to the west of India have always been used to stage invasions in India for thousands of years. It serves as a good launching pad for invasions. Every time, a larger India was defeated by smaller armies (Ghori, Ghazni, Greeks, Persians the list is unending) because we were bickering among ourselves and the threat didn't seem real.

Take this Ghazwa business seriously. For the first time in our history fate has given us some breathing room. We haven't been defeated for 70 years of our independence, although we have been attacked at least once in every decade. That Ghazwa we keep mocking for being unrealistic is definitely more realistic than the Ganga-Jamuni bullshit we keep spewing in India. At least the Pakistanis know who their enemy is. We don't even want to name our enemy.

The land might never come under our control, and the people will continue to remain Muslim, but Pakistan in its current state as a unified by a common religion and state ideology of two nation theory must not be allowed to exist because it provides an alternative to the Muslims in India to look up to and feel 'okay, Jinnah was right, it IS possible for Muslims to have an Islamic republic. We don't have to live in this artificial democracy and pay Jizya to kaffirs', that is when you will see a second partition of India. The population of Muslims in Pakistan and India is growing. That is one of the cornerstones of their Ghazwa-e-Hind. We keep mocking them for even thinking about a country with 200 B$ GDP attacking a country with 3 trillion $ economy, but we have a chink in our armor, and the enemy is not going to overlook it. It is in Indian interest to ensure that Pakistan ceases to exist as a social organism.
 
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This business of declaration of terrorists has only cosmetic value, for which they are extracting a tangible price from us. The US and their proxy the UN, have declared Hafiz Saeed as a terrorist with 10M bounty, what has changed after that?

We bought billions worth of weapons from the US, in return they threw peanuts at us by acknowledging that a person who is obviously a terrorist, is also seen as a terrorist by the US, wow, badi meherbani hui.

We bought their nuclear reactors, drones, C5 transport planes, and in exchange they are doing this Haqqani drama. They are throwing scraps at us in exchange for the billions we give them, on top of that, the groups they are banning are the ones who are involved in hitting American interests in Afghanistan. Indians just want excuses to vindicate American foreign policy. They are setting the agenda, and we are towing their line and making it look like it is pro-India policy. Just a year or two ago, the same US gave Harpoon anti-ship missiles to Pakistan just a week after India inducted INS Talwar class ship, or tested Barak8 or something, I forgot the exact event but we had launched something new and the US gave Harpoon and Sparrow to Pakistan.
Fully agreed - I don't know why Indians start jumping up and down when Uncle Sam sneezes in Pakistan's direction.

America is not our friend and has never been our friend. It has opposed us and stood against us in tangible, substantial ways, militarily and economically, while giving political and cosmetic lip service in support of our interests. The US is two-faced - at least we know where China and Pakistan stand. We can't even get the US to rein in their virulently anti-India NGOs (which are clearly arms of the state department) that cause far more internal damage than anything our enemies are able to do.

Hell, Israel has helped us far more when it comes to technology and intelligence than the Americans.
 

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Fully agreed - I don't know why Indians start jumping up and down when Uncle Sam sneezes in Pakistan's direction.

America is not our friend and has never been our friend. It has opposed us and stood against us in tangible, substantial ways, militarily and economically, while giving political and cosmetic lip service in support of our interests. The US is two-faced - at least we know where China and Pakistan stand. We can't even get the US to rein in their virulently anti-India NGOs (which are clearly arms of the state department) that cause far more internal damage than anything our enemies are able to do.

Hell, Israel has helped us far more when it comes to technology and intelligence than the Americans.
The US has sponsored a trilateral forum for Afghanistan-Pakistan-Turkey called the Ankara forum, (just like they have sponsored Hurriyat for Pakistan to meddle in Kashmir). All of this to keep Indian influence out of Afghanistan. The US has another trilateral agreement US-Qatar-Taliban for Afghanistan.

But wait, there's more...

The US has another trilateral agreement with US-UK-Germany over Afghanistan.

See anything peculiar? India is nowhere to be seen. We are being cornered in our own backyard. The US can sponsor a far off country like Turkey to meddle in Afghanistan, they can even allow China to have a high seat at the table with Qatar and Taliban; They can have an understanding with Russia over Afghanistan, but they will not allow India.

China Joins Afghanistan, Pakistan, and US for Talks on Afghan Peace Process

Turkey-Afghanistan-Pakistan Trilateral Summit was held in Ankara


Maulana Rockulla, where is India in all of this? Russia, Germany, Turkey, China, Qatar has a say in Afghanistan and India has no forum, despite spending billions. This is not by co-incidence, this is American design.

@rock127

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US is concerned more with Haqqani and did a formality declaring Pakistan a safe heaven for terrorists.So still it's a important sign of policy shift.

US felt hurt and tired by Paki double game(specially after OBL) and inching towards India specially for defense deals and curbing influence of China.So its a part of bigger global game and SELF-Interest.As we say there are no permanent friends but permanent interests in foreign policy.

Only time would tell how much US is of help to India.
Bro, that whole regret thing by US is a farce.

It is their policy to feign ignorance and stupidity when it serves them in long run.

For a nation with world's strongest military with deep intelligence assets everywhere, it is ridiculous to assume that they one fine day after 20 years realized that they were backing the wrong nation and instead should have backed India.

What they need is a local pivot that can be used against the jihadi machinery which they cultivated and also for keeping Chinese in check.

Looking at it from US's perspective, it's a win-win for them because :

Backing India against Pakis and China would mean they have an ally which can take hits for them and be expendable.

Also, they can sell more arms to India and keep the military-industrial complex back at home booming.
 

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Haqqani network is responsible for the deaths of 800 American soldiers in Afghanistan, and ISI is responsible for the deaths of 80,000 Indians since the 'war of a thousand cuts' was started. The US has decided to go after Haqqani to avenge their 800, while still being in bed with the ISI who has killed 80k Indians. Where's the sense of proportion?

Aacck thoo!
Fun fact #1:



Fun fact#2 :

Back when Soviets faced Haqqani network in Afghanistan, they found that many of the foot soldiers were actually Paki SSG commandos while Pakis continued to deny any involvement in that war ((sounds familiar ?)).

This issue was raised in UN by Soviets back then and it was completely ignored because of US influence.
 

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Fun fact #1:



Fun fact#2 :

Back when Soviets faced Haqqani network in Afghanistan, they found that many of the foot soldiers were actually Paki SSG commandos while Pakis continued to deny any involvement in that war ((sounds familiar ?)).

This issue was raised in UN by Soviets back then and it was completely ignored because of US influence.
Fun face #3 : December 1993, Road to 'peace'.



I wonder why they sent a SEAL team to kill their peace warrior? does America not love peace? or was he not a peaceful person? the thickest unsolved mystery of all times. :pound:
 

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Fun fact #5 : Since we're on a 'Pakistani lies and denial' thread..

Manmohan Singh and Mani Shankar Aiyer were both born in Pakistan and migrated to India. Waaa.. it's true, check their Wiki pages.
Their bodies may be in India, but their spirits still live in Pakistan.
 

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Their bodies may be in India, but their spirits still live in Pakistan.
But their children live in USA. Bahut krantikaari. His daughter Sana Aiyer is a historian at MIT.

Fun fact #6 : Morarji Desai's (yes the same guy who got RAW agents inside Pakistani nuclear facilities killed) great grandson Madhukeshwar Desai is the vice president of BJP's youth wing.
 

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Fun fact #5 : Since we're on a 'Pakistani lies and denial' thread..

Manmohan Singh and Mani Shankar Aiyer were both born in Pakistan and migrated to India. Waaa.. it's true, check their Wiki pages.
Fun fact # 6 : Our own Morarji Desai without being born in Pakistan received the Nishan-e-Pakistan award.

His generous contribution of slipping out details of RAW network in 1978 to Zia must have helped. Yet another Gandhian who contributed to Pakis :facepalm:


Double :facepalm:

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/morar...-raw-kahuta-nuclear-warfare/story/1/3802.html

Desai, as a firm Gandhian, believed that truthfulness with neighbours was a must in keeping with the Gandhian philosophy. In any case, the results were disastrous as the fox-like Zia uprooted the entire RAW network in Pakistan soon after Desai’s revelation, got several RAW men killed and assets obliterated including the ones connected with Kahuta. This happened just before a mole in Kahuta had agreed to give the blueprint of the Kahuta nuclear plan to a RAW agent.
 

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Fun fact # 6 : Our own Morarji Desai without being born in Pakistan received the Nishan-e-Pakistan award.

His generous contribution of slipping out details of RAW network in 1978 to Zia must have helped. Yet another Gandhian who contributed to Pakis :facepalm:
Fun fact #8 : The same Subhramanian Swamy who claims to be a friend of Israel was also the best friend of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.

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Same guy who had equated Sonia as a goddess is now after her.

Today he is selling the churan of nationalism but who knows what he will do next if he is given official power. He could be a CIA mole like Morarji.
 

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