I can understand how you could be subject to disinformation.
Dont worry i dont live in an military dictatorship to worry about disinformation campaigns which sadly for most pakistanis who dont have internet is the norm. Lots of pakistanis brainwashed into believing ghazwa-e-hind and all such trash that is fed to them on a daily basis.
I must point out, however, that the Pakistani Army has not trained, sponsored or tolerated any of the terrorist factions it is confronting right now. Be that the TTP lead by Betullah Mehsud in FATA or his lieutenant Fazrullah in Swat.
Till recently pakistan even signed peace agreements with such terror groups and allowed them to run mini-states within the boundaries of pakistan and i am being told pakistan does not tolerate such blood thristy bunch. LOL. Lies
(again no Pakistani connection with OBL's organization has ever been credited),
LOL, Osama bin laden ran his campaign against soviets by living in safe houses in pakistan and sending his fighters into afghanistan. Only after the soviet withdrawal did he dare to enter afghanistan. All those years he was under the protection of pakistan establishment. So dont even try to make such claims, they really are not worth arguing over since everyone knows pakistan supports osama. even today he is most likely hiding in pakistan.
Pakistan gives US/NATO considerable logistical facilitation for their operations in Afghanistan, in return for which they provide economic and military aid.
Billions of dollars for such logistics and transport? And i have to believe such claims. What next? UFO just landed in pakistan and took away Osama to mars.
The Pakistani Army is geared for conventional war, and COIN operations require specialized orientations and a lot of resources that Pakistan does not have presently.
What type of COIN operation requires fighters jets, anti-tank missiles and submarines that pakistan is buying using american aid. Last time i checked taliban did not possess any fighter jets, armour or naval ships against which pakistan could use these weapons.
I don't think such reports are credible, or verifiable. Admiral Mullen did claim something like this happened once but Pakistan has dismissed it as American paranoia. Certainly no details or particulars regarding the incident have been made available, and no neutral source has reported or independently confirmed it.
Oh yes, when caught red-handed terrorist wants a neutral source. LOL paksitan used the Haqqani terror network to attack indian embassies, pakistan military officers were found involved in the Mumbai attacks and yet this is dismissed as american paranoia, Well just shows to what lengths some pakistanis go to lie about the support that terrorists receive in pakistan.
And, if Pakistani intelligence reports are to be believed, terrorist operatives sponsored by India find their way to places like FATA, Swat, Balochistan, even Lahore.
LOL, You mean we should believe the group which trains terrorists and promised to get a deal with taliban done recently. How can you believe such two-faced agencies? Oh wait you live in under a military dictatorship. If you dont believe them if you will land in jail.
Lastly, terrorists are terrorists, unless there is proof that their acts have been directed from the Pakistani government, which is something India has claimed but not been able to substantiate so far, I see no reason why the rest of Pakistan should 'apologize' for a crime that they didn't commit.
Go read the 26/11 dossier before spouting "no proof", This old trick wont work any more so think of a new one.
Its like an Indian student studying in the UK rapes a British girl, and the British say that 'India should apologize', would that be fair? I don't think so.
You really mean the pakistani man in UK who was caught with his hand in a child's underwear, didn't you?
Well pakistan should apologize for giving birth to such a dirty bunch of people who no matter wherever they go create trouble.
The Mumbai attacks have been condemned by Pakistan, thus unless it is proved that the Pakistani representative government or institutions were behind it, it would be unfair and racist to try and degrade the whole of Pakistan.
First pakistan sends terrorists to india to kill people and then condemns it when one of the terrorists caught alive (Kasab) is found to be a pakistani national.
If kasab was not caught, as was the original plan, then pakistan would not have condemned it. And check the 26/11 dossier given to pakistan which contains evidence of pakistanis handlers telling terrorists how to kill the women. Go search for channel 4 documentary on mumbai attack and see the videos. Dont spouting lies non-stop and hoping nobody will take notice.
And you should be ashamed that you are still lying through your teeth by claiming pakistan doesn't train,fund and send terrorists to kill innocents. You people have lost basic humanity and would do anything to fill your stomach and enjoy life on the american aid.
And read this before claiming "no proof"
ISI behind the Mumbai terror attacks”
Amir Mir
Saturday 25 July 2009
?ISI behind the Mumbai terror attacks? - Middle East Transparent
LAHORE: The 26/11 Mumbai terror attacks were first conceived on the third floor of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) headquarters at the Zero Point in the garrison town of Rawalpindi, claims a recently released book “Investigating the Mumbai Conspiracy”, published by the Delhi-based Pentagon Press, adding that the head of the ISI directorate sits on the third floor of the headquarters, overseeing a shadowy empire of spies and jehadis which today poses a greater threat to global security than the al-Qaeda.
The book makes sensational claims – that the Mumbai terror attack was planned and executed by the Pakistan Army and its different agencies including the Inter Services Intelligence and the Special Services Group (SSG) and that the Pakistani Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani was not only in the know of the attack but had planned every detail of the assault with his close confidants in the Pakistan Army’s top leadership. The book claims that the Pakistan army top brass including former President General (retd) Pervez Musharraf had been playing one of the deadliest games in recent history to provoke a disastrous war among the two nuclear armed nations. Containing documents like the Mumbai charge sheet confessional statements of the lone surviving attacker Ajmal Amir Kasab and other details, the book lays bare the tale of the Mumbai attacks and warns of the coming wave of terrorist assaults on India from across the border in Pakistan.
The thrilling book has hit the news stands at a time when Pakistan has handed over a 36-page fresh dossier on its probe into the Mumbai terror attacks to New Delhi, giving an update on the investigations. The dossier confirms what India has been insisting all along – top operatives of Lashkar-e-Toiba were responsible for carrying out the Mumbai terror attacks. This is the first official admission from Pakistan that its citizens were involved in the November 26, 2008 terror attacks. The deadly assault was carried out with by ten heavily armed jehadis who came via ship and boats from Pakistan and held India hostage in Mumbai for over 60 hours.
It was the most audacious terror onslaught since the 9/11 terror attack on the US. Over 180 persons were killed and two nuclear armed nations almost came to war over the attack that shook the world. Who masterminded such an attack? From the evidence gathered by the various intelligence and security agencies, claims the book published by the Pentagon Press [wned by Rajan Arya], it is quite clear that Lashkar-e-Toiba, an al-Qaeda affiliated Lahore based terrorist organisation which trained and dispatched the attackers, do not have the ability to plan and execute such a major armed assault across the seas. It then adds: “Operations like the Mumbai terror attack are never discussed in official meetings [of the ISI]. Such meetings remain unlisted and no minutes are kept. Nor are they planned in a day. Only a handful of the senior officers decide the details, over a period of time, going back and forth over details and more details.
Co-authored by Wilson john, a senior fellow with Observer Research Foundation and Vishwas Kumar, a senior Indian journalist with special interest in crime and terrorism, states that a highly classified operation like Mumbai could not have been shared among more than four people would have known about the plan besides the Chief of Army Staff, who at the time of the planning was President General Pervez Musharraf. “The DG ISI was Lt General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani. Among General Kayani’s close confidants were four Major Generals — Sikander Afzal, Asif Akhtar, Muhammad Mustafa and Tahir Mahmood — all of whom played major roles behind 26/11”.
The book adds: “Akhtar headed ISI’s Operations Wing which handled terrorist groups operating in Jammu & Kashmir and other parts of India. Afzal was the Deputy Director General External and headed all sections which dealt with terrorist groups and India. One of his close confidants was Brigadier Riazullah Khan Chibb, one of the key masterminds of the Mumbai attack. Mustafa was in charge of the Evaluation wing and Tahir Mahmood was General Officer Commanding. Special Services Group (SSG), which sometimes acted as the armed wing of the intelligence agency. Tahir Mahmood, as the Brigade commander of Brigade 62 at Skardu, had launched terrorists from LeT and other Army supported groups across Indian territory to camouflage the movement of regular troops.
The book claims that a whole lot of homework had gone into before the Pakistani jehadi Generals laid out the plan for the Mumbai attacks. “They knew which terrorist group they could rely on to carry out the task. They had notes on previous attacks, the modus operandi used, the local support network and they knew the names of Brigadiers who could control the operation through satellite phones. According to the book, three retired Pakistan Army Brigadiers who had played a key role in the Mumbai terror attacks are Riazullah Khan Chibb, Ijaz Shah and Haji.
“Though names of other Brigadiers and other retired officers have time and again emerged during various investigations - Major Wajahatullah and Colonel Kayani - there are fewer details in open source about their past and present activities. There are, however, some details about Shah and Chibb, largely thanks to the emails which former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto wrote before her assassination in 2007. Both Shah and Chibb had retired from ISI a few years ago and have vast experience in running and handling terrorist groups targeting India. They are also confidants of Musharraf”.
“Generally, no serving officer is given control of terrorist operations as the discovery of such links, run the risk of attracting sanctions from international donors. Terrorist operations are always left to the ‘irregulars’. These are retired officers who are reemployed on contracts for specific missions for the Army which can be easily denied. They operate out of private offices in different locations in Pakistan, have access to weapons and equipment and are paid through slush funds maintained by the Inter Services Intelligence”.
Going by the book, it was a motley crowd of committed trainers, cartographers, communications experts and ideologues who worked on the front end of the mission. “The principal trainers were Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi (alias Abu Wahed Irshad Ahmad); Muzammil (aka Yousuf aka Abu Gurera aka Abu Mohammad); Faheem Ahmad Ansari (alias Abu Jarar). Apart from them, Azzam Cheema, better known as ‘Babaji’, taught recruits how to spot vital installations on the map and uses satellite phones to keep in touch. Another Abu Qahafa, an expert commando trainer who joined the group in 2006, was the chief instructor for the Mumbai attackers. A confidante of Muzammil, he is an expert commando trainer and led the select recruits through the toughest training schedule at LeT’s Maskar Aksa camp. Abu al Qama, an old hand at training new recruits, and was in charge of LeT’s training camp, Ibn-e-Tamia, PoK, which received the Indian recruits across the Kashmir border”.
The book claims that the ideologue behind the operation was Abdur Rahman Makki, who is actually the LeT’s supremo Hafiz Saeed’s cousin and brother-in- law. “He is second only to Saeed in the hierarchy and is known as a firebrand proponent of suicide missions, having penned a highly popular book called Tehrik-e-Islam ke fidayeen dastay (The suicide squads of the Islamic movement). Another relative of Saeed, Ibrahim (aka Ali), a computer expert and fund distributor, put together the assault team. He recruited Faheem Ahmed Ansari (aka Abu Jarar), who trained under Muzammil, and was briefed extensively about the targets subsequently and selected for the attack in November 2008. Ansari was made to go through Google Map and other maps to pinpoint targets like the Chhatrapati Shivaji Terminus and the Taj Hotel. Ansari drew maps for Muzammil and was later tasked to extensively videotape and photograph the locations after he returned to India. Abu Hamza (aka Ramzan aka Aamir) was one of the trainers at Baitul Mujahideen. Hamza and had a role in previous terror strikes in India like the ISI (Bangalore) attack of 2004. His inputs about making entry, traveling and then exiting the target areas were critical to the success of the Mumbai attack”.
The book claims that while Lakhvi and Abu Qahaf remained in touch with the terrorists from Karachi, it was Muzammil who was coordinating the attack pattern from Lahore, most probably from an ISI Forward Detachment Lahore at 7, Lawrence Road, Lahore. “Muzammil’s satellite phone conversations with the Mumbai attackers after they had set sail from Karachi was intercepted by the US electronic and communication intelligence service, NSA (National Security Agency) and passed on to the Indian intelligence agencies on November 18, 2008, six days before the attack took place. Zarar Shah (aka Abdul Wajid), LeT’s communications expert and urban combat trainer, confessed later of his involvement and said he had stayed with the attackers in Karachi for a few weeks to train them in urban combat skills. US agencies had intercepted his telephone calls to the attackers at the Taj Mahal Palace and tower. Shah, the intercepts showed, was directing the attackers almost minute-to-minute”.
The authors have claimed that once the plan was finalized by the ISI, the LeT supreme Hafiz Saeed was contacted and his two key operational commanders Zaki Lakhvi and Abdur Rehman Makki were briefed about the requirements of the Mumbai operation. “They wanted some two dozen men all fresh recruits, to be trained intensively in commando operations hostage taking and mass killing. These men had to be new; the handlers did not want to risk renegades or freelancers among the attackers. They wanted men who would obey them to the tee. They wanted martyrs. They knew none of them would come back alive. The LeT heads were told they had a year to train these recruits”.
The book states that during the training, the Mumbai attack team was briefed extensively about the movement of ships in the sea. “They were told to use boats similar to Indian fishing boats to avoid suspicion and detection. They knew that fishing boats traveled in groups of 50 to 100 and it would be easy to dodge the India Coast Guard and the Indian Navy if enough precautions were taken during the journey. More than 10000 fishing boats travel across the Arabian Sea in a day”, the book concludes.